Wednesday, 12 May 2010

Why Ricky Matters (to me... and maybe a few other boys)

By Lorenzo Herrera y Lozano

March 30, 2010

There’s been a lot of commotion regarding Ricky Martin’s recent coming out statement on his official website. As with most things in life these days, I learned about the news on Facebook. So, I immediately posted about the news as well and quickly joined in the jubilee of queerness and pranced about the office like a middle school-aged boy who accidently touched hands with his classroom crush. I even committed the blasphemy of comparing the news to that of Health Care Reform and the release of Apple’s iPad (insert sound of angel choir here).

And then, of course, there was the storm of cattiness that followed the news. As a queer Xicano, I admit that sarcasm is built into my genetic code. The survivor of four Christian-themed religions and 500+ years of white supremacist occupation, I find humor, irony and disbelief in most things. Still, yesterday I just wanted to celebrate.

I agree that the fact that Ricky is gay is not all that shocking. Queer men and not long speculated or asserted that he shook his bon bon far too well to be straight. Plus, for us jotos/maricones/patos, there was the added benefit of dreaming him up queer, which somehow put us that much closer to his arms.

Still, as the catty remarks continue, as people boast about how they knew and think he should have done this 10 years ago, or sassy queens dismiss the news as inconsequential, I say, look beyond our borders (geographic, cultural, and age-based) and take a minute to honor the fact that for many, Ricky’s coming out is groundbreaking, perhaps even life-saving.

Ricky Martin
Ricky Martin at the 2010 Billboard Latin Music Awards
April 29, 2010


So Ricky was doing more than living la vida loca; he was, in fact, a loca. To the trained eye, this is just confirmation that our gaydar runs on more than hormones and dreams.

Hormones, dreams and cattiness aside, I challenge the ungleeful remarks about Ricky’s coming out.

As with most performers who began as Spanish-language artists, Ricky began over 10 years ago. The Barbara Walters interview (assuming it was Barbara, I can never tell who is behind that cloud of light) did have me on the edge of my teenage self, hoping he’d come out and proclaim his gayness, but it wasn’t his beginning. Ricky’s career began decades ago.

Long before the Latin Explosion, which was more of a Latin Spark, Ricky had left his imprint on the Spanish pop scene of the late 80’s and early to mid-90’s. Back when Thalía and Paulina were still artists and relevant, before Gloria Trevi’s traumatic (for her and her fans) imprisonment in Brazil, and before Alejandra Guzmán would be hospitalized for too much botox on her behind, there was a cultural movement in Latin America.

As a pre-teen growing up in a rural town of 300 in northern México, Thalía, Paulina, Gloria, Alejandra and Ricky were my window into another world. Their performances pushed, albeit at times gently and censured, the boundaries of repressive cultural norms. From flowers wrapped around a microphone to songs about teen pregnancy and abortion, these young performers were resisting and embodying another realm of cultural possibilities. Ricky gave boys the excuse (and perhaps reason) to shake our hips in ways that would otherwise be condemned as obscene.

The dismissal of Ricky’s coming out seems to be rooted in an U.S.-centric perspective where we have the opportunity to stop celebrating any queer image on TV and offer our critique. There is so much gayness these days that we can spend our days and dissertations balking at how a character isn’t gay enough, is too gay, is too white, etc. And although we don’t actually have the type of representation GLAAD and I would like to see, we have a whole lot more than we did in México in 1992 (except, of course, Ricky gently caressing his long hair on stage… oh, and Locomía).

I am not critiquing the fact that we spend so much time criticizing queer portrayals in the media. To the contrary, I am celebrating the fact that we can. In fact, I’d go further and ask why queer people of color media performance and productions are so weak, lame and superficial. Having once curating a queer people of color cultural arts program, I know we can do better.

What I am critiquing is that our criticisms of Ricky’s coming out has us falling into the pitfall of imagining and defining all things queer through a U.S. lens. I even joked about the fact that he used the term “homosexual” to define himself. And now, in retrospect I find that identifying as a “fortunate homosexual” was much more powerful than a simple “gay.”

Perhaps for the jaded queen living in urban U.S., the oversaturation of gayness in the media has deemed Ricky insignificant and worthy of our dismissal. For that frightened and confused 12 year old in rural Chihuahua, it’s monumental.

My coming out process was stumped by the fact that I could not even imagine my queerness, let alone live it. At the time, the saturation of gayness was mostly strictly white. It wasn’t until queer brown men like Jaime Cortez and Emanuel Xavier fearlessly (or perhaps fearfully) exposed their work and their bodies to the sun of public criticism, that I was able to imagine myself.

Whether U.S. fags approve or not, Ricky is a prominent figure here, and more importantly, in Latino América. Ricky’s coming out makes it possible for young boys in countless homes to imagine themselves as something other than confused.

For this, I say to Ricky: gracias. And, you know where to find me.

Source: Guest post: "Why Ricky Matters" by Lorenzo Herrera y Lozano

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Anonymous said...

Cooking lunch :)

Anonymous said...

Cooking lunch :)

Anonymous said...

^^S/he's stirring trouble here and then disappears.

Quelle bullshit!

Anonymous said...

Everyone has to eat :)

Anonymous said...

Thersa and Nicola are in a better position than any one here to know about Jake and Heath and I believe them over anyone else including 2 lying brokies into slash and fanfic and their fictional account of their lunch with Jake.

It took them 6 weeks to post their story, I guess that's how long it takes to write their chapters of fanfic

Anonymous said...

12:46 PM - ouch, you sound like a troll, do try again!

Anonymous said...

Thersa? I think 12:46 PM is our trolly :)

Anonymous said...

LOL at Teresa denying that the birthday party for Busy happened. She probably denied it because supposedly drugs were consumed during the party. We don't know the exact date when Heath threw the party, so Jake could very well have been there. And it was reported that he was.

Busy and Jake were seen together at the farmers market a month or so ago and she attended the L.A. premiere for PoP. Everything a coincidence? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

Jake not attending Heath's memorial doesn't mean anything. Maybe he felt too upset to go or didn't want the attention focused on him. Mayb ehe thought some people would think he was trying to milk the situation. Who knows? I find Jake's lack of words and some short,respectful tribute statement as a much worse bad behavior.

And,then..he starts talking about Heath during his shitty promos. That's some rotten manners,IMO.

Anonymous said...

On this subject of Heath's memorial and Jake/Heath friendship ... I heard from someone in Perth who knows the Ledger family and was at the NYC event for Aussies that Jake did not attend either of the LA Heath memorials.

My source could not say why. I have always wondered why Jake treated it all so strangely.

Anonymous said...

Talking about Heath and Brokeback Mountain are now rotten manners?!?ž
What are the rules for talking about dead friends, 12:56 PM?

Anonymous said...

So fucking what if they weren't friends or if he didn't attend any memorial? I'm tired of dragging old shit on the surface over and over. Who the fuck cares?
If you have such a low opinion of Jake, go away. Nothing he does will be right in your eyes.

Anonymous said...

Babblers care. Jake and Heath can't be friends. Ever.

Anonymous said...

I found the Heath forum. Please, can you tell me what thread and page I can find the information?

Look for it in Heath Haven 7 thread, IIRC some of the discussion was pulled off the forum because it made some poster uncomfortable but the part where Theresa says Jake definitely didn't attend any LA memorial for Heath is there. I don't know what page, sorry, but you'll find it.

Anonymous said...

Two insider stories in one day?!

1:03 PM said...

The funny thing is Theresa liked Jake A LOT, always gushed about what a nice guy he was. So why would she say he didn't attend Heath's memorial if he did?

Anonymous said...

I'm 12:58pm...Not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just what i was told by a fairly close to the events source. Don't believe or whatever, I don't mind.

Jake may have been too broken up to attend or he didn't care enough to attend or maybe he didn't want a media circus to surround him. I'd like to know and hope we will find out someday.

Weird that Jake has never been part of the Heath scholarship thing, though, though Josh Hartnett and Colin Farrell have.

Anonymous said...

IIRC some of the discussion was pulled off the forum because it made some poster uncomfortable

I hope this is a joke.

Anonymous said...

Look for it in Heath Haven 7 thread, IIRC some of the discussion was pulled off the forum because it made some poster uncomfortable but the part where Theresa says Jake definitely didn't attend any LA memorial for Heath is there. I don't know what page, sorry, but you'll find it.

It's 166 pages. Can you at least say if it's at the beginning, middle or end?

Anonymous said...

I hope this is a joke.

No joke, go and read the posts there if you don't believe me.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is Theresa liked Jake A LOT, always gushed about what a nice guy he was. So why would she say he didn't attend Heath's memorial if he did?

One more time - Theresa isn't in position to know what really happened, she has no idea what Jake did or didn't do.

Anonymous said...

It's 166 pages. Can you at least say if it's at the beginning, middle or end?

Middle towards the end.

Anonymous said...

Middle towards the end.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

No joke, go and read the posts there if you don't believe me.

Don't have time to do that now, but 'some of the discussion was pulled off the forum because it made some poster uncomfortable' is unfuckingbelievable.

Anonymous said...

One more time - Theresa isn't in position to know what really happened, she has no idea what Jake did or didn't do.

Theresa is in close contact with Pecorini and Gilliam who both are good friends with the Ledgers/Bells. She ran the campaign for Parnassus to get a distributor, she arranged live chats with Gilliam on her Parnassus forum. She knows a lot of people that either knew or were close to Heath in the industry and out. She does have ways of knowing if Jake was there or not, whether you like it or not.

Anonymous said...

She does have ways of knowing if Jake was there or not, whether you like it or not.

No, she doesn't. What you just said confirms that Theresa doesn't know anything about Jake.

Anonymous said...

What you just said confirms that Theresa doesn't know anything about Jake.

LOL, okay. I guess denial is better than facing the bitter truth.

Anonymous said...

Why did Heath choose Jake as godfather? I wish it was just a PR lie. I hope it was for Jake. Why did Jake have to hang out with Heath and Michelle? They were not good for him. He should have stuck with Anne. If I ever hear something again in connection with Jake and H, M, M, I'm gonna barf. Leave Jake alone!

Anonymous said...

Bitter truth? LMAO, silly babblers never give up!

Anonymous said...

1:16 PM, I have no idea who is this Teresa person but i'm intrigued. Did she say something about why Heath and Michelle split? And what about Heath's preparation for The Batman movie? Those 2 subjects are the main cause of Heath's brekdown,IMO, but nobody seems to be able to give good information about it.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad Jake reconnected with Anne.

Anonymous said...

1:23 PM - we know that nothing will stop you from repeating fiction how Jake and Heath were just BBMt co-stars. Keep deluding yourself.

Anonymous said...

1:23 PM - we know that nothing will stop you from repeating fiction how Jake and Heath were just BBMt co-stars. Keep deluding yourself.

Grr. I don't give a fuck if they were or not. I'm so annoyed by this topic.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad Jake reconnected with Anne.

Yes, now that he has a new movie with her, they will be bffs like he "was" with Heath. Too bad Jake couldn't put aside whatever problem (if there was any) with Heath and pay his last respects to him.

Anonymous said...

Grr. I don't give a fuck if they were or not. I'm so annoyed by this topic.

And I don’t give a flying fuck if you’re annoyed or not. Use the fucking scroll bar.

Anonymous said...

Yes, now that he has a new movie with her, they will be bffs like he "was" with Heath. Too bad Jake couldn't put aside whatever problem (if there was any) with Heath and pay his last respects to him.

Go away you bitter nut.

Anonymous said...

Yes, now that he has a new movie with her, they will be bffs like he "was" with Heath.

Nice try. Jake has long time celebrity friends, deal with that.

Anonymous said...

Go away you bitter nut.

LOL! Sorry to burst your bubble, silly fangirl. I'll be here until Jake comes out and since that's not going to happen anytime soon, tough luck for you. :)

Anonymous said...

Can't wait for Jake, Michelle and Matilda pictures! Heads will explode! :)

Anonymous said...

Can't wait for Jake, Michelle and Matilda pictures! Heads will explode! :)

Some can't wait for Jake/Michelle sex pictures. Maybe we'll get those too?

Anonymous said...

Nice try. Jake has long time celebrity friends, deal with that.

Jake uses his celebrity friendships when it's good for him i.e. promoting movies, events where there's press, photo ops, etc. Heath wasn't one of them.

Anonymous said...

Some can't wait for Jake/Michelle sex pictures. Maybe we'll get those too?

Oh looky here, a poor delusional one. Lost on your way to Babble, dear?

Anonymous said...

1:46 PM, that's nonsense, what you mentioned is only smart part of Jake's life, his friends are part of his private life, too.

Anonymous said...

Babblers are pissed off again! :)

Jake will be pleased! said...

Marte197: @Eliisee911 Mom thought Jake Gyllenhaal was hot, and even beating George Clooney, who is mom's all time favorite xD
about 1 hour ago

Anonymous said...

1:53 PM, is "babblers!!" all you can come up with when faced with things you don't like? Aww, you're so innocent, I kind of like you.

Anonymous said...

1:53 PM, is "babblers!!" all you can come up with when faced with things you don't like?

Silly posters (like you) who can't stand Jake and Heath's friendship deserve only virtual kick in the ass.

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Anonymous said...

2:07 PM - hi trolly! I see that you're still mad about Jake's love for Heath. Good!

Anonymous said...

Well, maybe Heath was an asshole?

Perhaps. But Jake was an important co-star of his, you can't put it all on Heath. Michelle who Heath cheated and later dumped said touching things about him after he died. Jake couldn't issue a statement through his publicist whether he meant anything of it or not? Jake who says so many empty platitudes during promo work? Please, use your common sense.

A theory would be that Heath did something to Jake that he can't forgive him for, but what?

Anonymous said...

So what if Heath and Jake had a fight shortly before Heath's death?

All people argue with their friends,their families, their co-workers. A fight doesn't mean the end of a friendship.
It's sad when you have an argument with someone and s/he dies the day after, because the last memory will be always that fight,though :(

Anonymous said...

So what if Heath and Jake had a fight shortly before Heath's death?

Why are you making up shit like that?

Anonymous said...

But Jake was an important co-star of his

Jake was Heath's close friend.

Anonymous said...

Theresa is bitter. Shortly after Heath died I read a comment by her on ONTD where we had a Jake/Reese post. She was devastated that he didn't sit at home to grieve but was out and about with Reese. I think she wanted him to react in a certain way, which he didn't. And is incredibly disappointed. Only Heath's family and Michelle know the truth and Michelle still allows him to see Matilda. Doesn't that say something?

Anonymous said...

Jake couldn't issue a statement through his publicist whether he meant anything of it or not? Jake who says so many empty platitudes during promo work? Please, use your common sense.

WTF is wrong with you?!? Formality is more important than real feelings?

Anonymous said...

Theresa manipulates those poor, silly brokies with nonsense. In the end she was neither a friend nor family.

Anonymous said...

So what if Heath and Jake had a fight shortly before Heath's death?

Why are you making up shit like that?



^^

Well. I said IF.. we are all speculating here,aren't we?

Anonymous said...

A theory would be that Heath did something to Jake that he can't forgive him for, but what?

You could be right. It would have to be something really big for Jake to be unable to get over it.

Anonymous said...

WTF is wrong with you?!? Formality is more important than real feelings?


^^
Jake knew that his silence would bring more attention on him. I don't understand or judge his behavior, but i can't help to feel curious about his odd attitude.

Anonymous said...

"Unable to get over it" - what are you talking about? What Jake did or didn't do that made you think Jake could have been angry with Heath?

Anonymous said...

I'll say it. I think Theresa lies. Jake did attend the memorial for his friends and colleagues. I'm sure he didn't lie.

Anonymous said...

I just read the "memorial" convo here. Idk why some of you get so upset; and why you think that anyone who believes Jake didn't attend, is a babbler or a troll. IMO he probably didn't attend but it doesn't make him a bad person or a non-friend of Heath's. Many people don't attend funerals/memorials, because they are too emotional and grieving, maybe even at the point of a breakdown. Sometimes a person can't attend because they are so deeply depressed about the death; inability to get out of bed or having to be on meds (like a sedative) would cause them to skip ceremonies and being around others. I guess what I want to say is that if Jake didn't attend any memorials, doesn't mean he disliked Heath and they didn't get along. IMO his "Of course" answer to Ted and Lisa when they asked about Heath's ceremonies was a polite response. A "No" answer would have invited more questions on why, and maybe he wasn't able to discuss Heath at all because it hurt too much.

IMO he didn't attend any ceremonies but everyone grieves in their own way and Jake is not perfect. However I think he and his PR made a HUGE mistake by not issuing a public statement with a few words about Heath, whether or not they were close friends. IMO it should have been done as a professional courtesy at the very least.

Regarding Jake discussing Heath in his latest promos: it might seem like he's being opportunistic, but to be fair Jake really has not had anything that garners big interviews in big magazines until POP.

Oh and btw: guess what, friends have squabbles! If they fought, disagreed, quibbled - it doesn't mean they weren't friends and didn't get along with each other. In fact if they did have rows and disagreements, it makes them better friends. It's not if you fight; it's how you work out your fight and differences and get a deeper understanding of each other, that makes a friendship.

Anonymous said...

Jake knew that his silence would bring more attention on him.

That didn't happen because your assumption is wrong - Jake's silence didn't bring more attention.

Anonymous said...

"Unable to get over it" - what are you talking about? What Jake did or didn't do that made you think Jake could have been angry with Heath?

Nothing. It's just Theresa who plays mind games with people who are still unsure what to think.
That woman's fucked.

Anonymous said...

I'll say it. I think Theresa lies.

Theresa doesn't know what happened, she has no way of knowing inside info.

Anonymous said...

That didn't happen because your assumption is wrong - Jake's silence didn't bring more attention.


???? After 2 years since H is dead, some blogs still mention it! And, at that time, everybody made comments about Jake's lack of statement, don't you remeber at all??

Anonymous said...

Theresa doesn't know what happened, she has no way of knowing inside info.

Of course not.

Anonymous said...

What Jake did or didn't do that made you think Jake could have been angry with Heath?

Hmm, I wouldn't use the word angry (and Jackie please don’t delete my comment this time, I’m not in the mood to write all this again). Let’s see, Jake doesn’t attend any memorial, ignores Heath and everything that has to do with his death for two years, acts like he doesn’t care, pays no tribute when everyone who worked on BBM does, hell, he doesn’t even issue a statement to acknowledge his co-stars passing. Then two years later he can’t even say something poignant about Heath as a man, as a human being, all he manages is to talk about him as an actor and their work together. Either Jake doesn’t give a shit about Heath or serious big happened there.

Anonymous said...

I just read the "memorial" convo here. Idk why some of you get so upset; and why you think that anyone who believes Jake didn't attend, is a babbler or a troll.

Looks like you didn't read careful enough and missed trolly post before it was deleted.

Anonymous said...

From the forum.

Quote by Theresa:

There were two memorial services in Los Angeles. One in a private funeral home with family and close friends only (by invitation from the family only) at which the casket was present and then a dinner at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Then there was one at Sony for the industry and friends only that was by invitation only as well. The actual funeral service was a memorial as well in Oz after his cremation. It was family and close friends only, also by invitation only.

Jake did not attend any of these services.


What if Jake wasn't invited?

Anonymous said...

Then two years later he can’t even say something poignant about Heath as a man, as a human being, all he manages is to talk about him as an actor and their work together.

You obviously didn't read GQ interview.

Anonymous said...

What Jake did or didn't do that made you think Jake could have been angry with Heath?

Hmm, I wouldn't use the word angry (and Jackie please don’t delete my comment this time, I’m not in the mood to write all this again). Let’s see, Jake doesn’t attend any memorial, ignores Heath and everything that has to do with his death for two years, acts like he doesn’t care, pays no tribute when everyone who worked on BBM does, hell, he doesn’t even issue a statement to acknowledge his co-stars' passing. Then two years later he can’t even say something poignant about Heath as a man, as a human being, all he manages is to talk about him as an actor and their work together. Either Jake doesn’t give a shit about Heath or something serious happened there, what who knows.

Anonymous said...

What if Jake wasn't invited?

Keep reading, later he says he was invited. She also says she doesn't know his reason(s) for acting like he did re Heath and his death.

Anonymous said...

Jake is just being paranoid about his gayness. He knows that some people think of Heath and they inmediately remember the scene where Jake is getting f... in the ass by him.
I don't think it has to do with something personal against Heath.

Anonymous said...

Quote by Theresa

First part about memorial services is public info, available from the Internet.

Second part - Theresa has no way of knowing what happened during those memorial services.

Anonymous said...

2:54 PM#2, so what some people think is more important to Jake than paying his respects to his supposed friend?

Anonymous said...

2:42, you're post is reasonable, fair-minded, thoughtful and articulate :) don't you know that people would rather sling insults, twist words, exaggerate and get hyper-defensive? lol

2:42 #1 said...

I just lost a beloved pet three days ago in a sudden and unexpected way (she was relatively young, in great health but out of the blue during a routine exam at the vet's office she had a seizure, her heart stopped and she died within seconds; the vet is going to do an autopsy because it shocked him too) and I am in absolute agony. I've been crying nonstop, more than I've done when a friend or family member has died. What Jake may have gone thru, losing a person, a peer, his age that he worked and was friends with, could have been worse than we imagine. Losing a pet, losing a person - who knows what our reactions will be, until it happens.

Anonymous said...

williamstafford: Prince of Persia is a mix of Aladdin, Lord of the Rings & Indiana Jones. Good fun. I heart Jake Gyllenhaal more than ever .
17 minutes ago

2:42 #2 (not 1) said...

Oops I'm 242 #2.

Anonymous said...

2:42'post is civil and well written but has no sense at all.
So, Jake might be so devastated that he couldn't attend the service but Heath's closest friends, parents, siblings and ex-fiancee could??

Anonymous said...

2:54 PM#2, so what some people think is more important to Jake than paying his respects to his supposed friend?

Why supposed friend? I had the impression Jake liked Heath much more then vice versa. Maybe Jake is pissed, cause he found out the godfather thing was a joke just like the big love he proclaimed for silly Michelle. Maybe he found out that Heath fooled them both?

Heath didn't include Matilda in the will, but he did make an ensurance if something happened to him so she'll be safe (at least something). I think he did all deliberately. And don't tell me about that trust. That trust he made with Michelle and it included the two houses they bought during their relationship, of course Matilda was included. After his death, Heath's dad sold the L.A. house. The NYC house was bought by Michelle's money too. 50/50.

Anonymous said...

So, Jake might be so devastated that he couldn't attend the service but Heath's closest friends, parents, siblings and ex-fiancee could??

Yes. All this time on Earth and you still didn't notice that people are idividuals and different?

Anonymous said...

Jake is just being paranoid about his gayness. He knows that some people think of Heath and they inmediately remember the scene where Jake is getting f... in the ass by him.

Why would he say he was enamored of Heath during the promo for his big manly blockbuster? That invites more jokes, if anything, doesn't matter if Heath's dead.

Anonymous said...

(((((3:02 PM)))))

Anonymous said...

2:42'post is civil and well written but has no sense at all.

That post doesn't make sense only to those who play stupid.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jake is pissed, cause he found out the godfather thing was a joke just like the big love he proclaimed for silly Michelle. Maybe he found out that Heath fooled them both?

That must be it, Heath didn't love anyone.

Anonymous said...

Heath didn't even love himself, i think.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he found out that Heath fooled them both?

I get what you mean about fooling Michelle, although I think she's just as much to blame for the failure that was their relationship as he is. But from what you said, how did he fool Jake? I really, really doubt the godfather thing was/is so important to Jake to be the reason for his behavior. Unless you mean there was more between them and Heath led him on...

Anonymous said...

Thank you 3:11 #2. It's so awful. At least she was at the vet's when it happened and not at home where I wouldn't know what to do. He gave her oxygen and worked on her and worked on her but she was gone. He thinks it might have been a hidden brain tumor or heart attack, he's going to do the autopsy this weekend. I feel so bad. She was my best friend. I'm going to go cry in the shower now and then go for a walk. It's too quiet without her here playing and making noise and I have to get away. I'll finish reading/answering the J&K posts later.

Anonymous said...

That must be it, Heath didn't love anyone.

Not everyone. But I think he mostly used Michelle. Sorry to say. And Jake seemed so enamoured with him that Heath just couldn't not like him. Whether he wanted Jake as a friend is questionable. Michelle said in the Elle interview before Heath's death that she didn't expect him to break her heart. And in another she said that she thought she knew things, but she didn't... regaring break up with Heath. I think maybe Jake realized that it was actually him that wanted friendship and not Heath. Maybe when he wasn't invited at the memorial for close friends (first L.A. one and Perth) he realized even more that it wasn't as real as he thought. The godfather thing is nothing of significance imo. One of Heath's close friends is probably the real deal. I think Michelle feels it's also a real deal with Jake and she likes him and keeps in touch in order not to appear like a liar. If she didn't keep in touch, it all being a joke would be reinforced. IMO.

Anonymous said...

3:23 PM, I wish I could say something that would make you feel better. Damn.

Anonymous said...

Unless you mean there was more between them and Heath led him on...

I don't think there was more than friendship. But I'm not sure Heath saw him as much as a friend as vice versa.

Anonymous said...

Theresa doesn't know what happened,

? Did you read anything at the planet heath forum? Theresa attended the service in LA - the same one that Jake told Ted & Lisa he attended.

3:28 PM said...

Maybe Jake's silence was because he didn't know who he was to Heath, he didn't know what to think. He is talking about the movie and his POV experiencing it. It's somthing he feels comfortable talking about. But not how Heath was as a person/friend. Maybe he isn't sure anymore...

Anonymous said...

Maybe when he wasn't invited at the memorial for close friends (first L.A. one and Perth)

The private memorial was for REALLY close people to Heath, I read there were 20-30 individuals there (probably his family, his exes and his childhood friends). Jake IMO had no place being there. At the funeral in Perth were invited roughly the same number of people. Not his place there either, but he could have attended the wake if he had really wanted to which I'm sure he was invited to. He was also invited to the public memorial in LA.

If Jake took it out on Heath for a thing so unimportant when faced with something of such magnitude (Heath's death) then I have to say he is very immature, selfish and insensitive. I'd like to believe this is not the case.

Anonymous said...

"Michelle said in the Elle interview before Heath's death that she didn't expect him to break her heart. And in another she said that she thought she knew things, but she didn't... regaring break up with Heath."

The breakheart could have been about Heath refusing to leave drugs. And the "knowing things", she was talking about life in general. She still speaks as she were a character from Dawsons Creek, is so annoying!

Heath didn't lie on his love for her or his friendship with Jake. But he seemed a guy who was passionate one moment and indiferent the next one.

Anonymous said...

The breakheart could have been about Heath refusing to leave drugs.

Or about cheating on her every chance he got.

Anonymous said...

If Jake took it out on Heath for a thing so unimportant when faced with something of such magnitude (Heath's death) then I have to say he is very immature, selfish and insensitive. I'd like to believe this is not the case.

Yes, immature. But you tend to be when you are desillusioned and hurt. Hell, he called Heath !!!best friend (and I think he meant it, lol) once.

Anonymous said...

Theresa attended the service in LA - the same one that Jake told Ted & Lisa he attended.

Great, more lies.

1. What happened to this?
11:44 AM - how would you or Theresa know everything about Heath's memorials?
Theresa knows Nicola Pecorini (the cinematographer for Parnassus), a very good friend of Heath and he told her.


2. Ted & Lisa - Jake did NOT say which memorial he attended.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jake's silence was because he didn't know who he was to Heath, he didn't know what to think.

There is nothing odd with Jake's silence, I would do the same in his place.

Anonymous said...

Heath didn't lie on his love for her or his friendship with Jake. But he seemed a guy who was passionate one moment and indiferent the next one.

Yeah. LOL. I think some people in his live had some bad awakenings with him.

Anonymous said...

^^life

Anonymous said...

3:49, have you even read anything over at the planet heath forum about this? Because there is a lot there, a lot more than just a few sentences. If you're really interested and don't just want to throw the word "lie" around, maybe you should do a little more reading.

Anonymous said...

But you tend to be when you are desillusioned and hurt.

So it's all about Jake. A young talented guy (asshole, nice, doesn't matter) who has a small kid tragically loses his life and that's small stuff to Jake compared to his disillusionment? Typical.

Anonymous said...

But he seemed a guy who was passionate one moment and indiferent the next one.

Based on what? Your wishful thinking?

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess we knew it would come down to this someday - some are getting really close to saying it was Heath's fault that Jake was silent for so long. Wow.

Anonymous said...

So it's all about Jake. A young talented guy (asshole, nice, doesn't matter) who has a small kid tragically loses his life and that's small stuff to Jake compared to his disillusionment? Typical.

Oh well. No one's perfect. Neither was Heath, nor is Jake.

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess we knew it would come down to this someday - some are getting really close to saying it was Heath's fault that Jake was silent for so long. Wow.

If you go back to Heath forum, I'm sure the majority will blame Jake. ;)

Anonymous said...

If you're really interested and don't just want to throw the word "lie" around, maybe you should do a little more reading.

I've read all posts here and that's more than enough bullshit about Theresa and memorials for a week.

Anonymous said...

^^LOL.

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess we knew it would come down to this someday - some are getting really close to saying it was Heath's fault that Jake was silent for so long. Wow.

This IS a Jake site but yeah, I agree, wow. Fuck douchebag Heath, who loved no one, for dying and disturbing Jake's perfect life and image. Motherfucking idiot! ;)

Anonymous said...

Fuck douchebag Heath, who loved no one, for dying and disturbing Jake's perfect life and image. Motherfucking idiot! ;)

Stop being so melodramatic.

Anonymous said...

Can't wait for Jake, Michelle and Matilda pictures! Heads will explode! :)

Better not. Some "fans" will accuse him of using them for publicity. Stay away Jake! He doesn't even need to send b-day cards of call them. But I'm sure he does and EVEN sees them. That's sufficient.

Anonymous said...

...or call them...

Anonymous said...

4:01 PM isn't melodramatic. Some people would do anything, use anything, make up anything to deny Jake and Heath's friendship.

Anonymous said...

Better not. Some "fans" will accuse him of using them for publicity.

Why would Jake care about them?

Anonymous said...

If you go back to Heath forum, I'm sure the majority will blame Jake. ;)

I'm a fan of Jake (although I don't know why anymore, the bearding and the POP promo bullshit is testing my limits) not of Heath, but I don't get it, who else is to blame for Jake's silence other than Jake? Heath, who is dead?

Anonymous said...

4:01 PM isn't melodramatic. Some people would do anything, use anything, make up anything to deny Jake and Heath's friendship.

It's Theresa and her fellow loonies who bring troube in here and then complain that not everyone jumps on Jake and sees it a bit differently than them.
I know Jake is not perfect, but neither was Heath. No one, not even loon Theresa, that silly, bitter twat, knows the truth.

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Anonymous said...

I'm a fan of Jake (although I don't know why anymore, the bearding and the POP promo bullshit is testing my limits) not of Heath, but I don't get it, who else is to blame for Jake's silence other than Jake? Heath, who is dead?

Why do you want to blame Jake for his silence? You don't know what's in his head or his reasons.

Anonymous said...

Some people would do anything, use anything, make up anything to deny Jake and Heath's friendship.

Lucky for then that Jake is making their job easy. ;)

Anonymous said...

No, Jake is not making their job easy, that's why they are still trying.

Anonymous said...

No, Jake is not making their job easy, that's why they are still trying.

Anonymous said...

Lucky for then that Jake is making their job easy. ;)

*cries* Jake and Heath weren't friends. *sobs*

Do you realize that some here don't give a flying fart? Go back to that forum and complain about Jake's silence till you're old and grey.

Atticus said...

I'm hungry!

Anonymous said...

Remember the saying: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything"...

Anonymous said...

Atticus said...
I'm hungry!


Atticus! Thank God you're here! We need a change of subject :) Now, go spy on Daddy and report back ASAP! (Oh and get him to feed you while you're at it)

Atticus said...

Daddy is on webcam talking to some Henry Baby guy.

Anonymous said...

No, Jake is not making their job easy, that's why they are still trying.

Yes, yes, he is. I’ve yet to read something heartfelt and genuine about the man Heath from Jake. He is capable of it, obviously, only when it comes to other people:

"Where do you influences come from?

Somebody like Paul Newman who did wonderful things for the human race.

Was he your Godfather?

He was not my Godfather, it’s a rumour, and my poor dad gets annoyed because people say ‘Paul Newman taught you to drive’, and my dad’s like ‘oh, all those wasted hours!’

So what was your relationship with Paul Newman?

He worked with my mother and he was writing a script and he sort of fell for my mum cos she’s so talented, so cool and he just fell for my family. He was very engaging, and caring and cared about many people and was always interested in when someone was struggling. He was just amazing. As I started to act more, he would advise. If he saw something he’d call me up.

If you talk to different actors he had relationships with he was open enough to ask advice. To be someone like him was, I think, you have the responsibility to answer questions to help the younger generation to answer the questions that they have. Any great actor who’s of an older generation, I ask them questions all the time. It was no different with Paul. It was like that with Dustin Hoffman and Susan Sarandon. That’s the amazing thing about what I’ve done with my life so far, I can call Dustin up and say ‘what about this and that?’."

Jake Gyllenhaal Talks Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time

Anonymous said...

^^Maybe Jake didn't have anything nice to say about Heath? In this case staying silent is better.

So, Newman was not Jake's godfather. But Jake still seemed to like and respect him. :)

4:40 PM said...

But I can understand Jake if he can’t say something like that about Heath, maybe Heath was just a bad person and knowing him was a bad experience for Jake. I don’t need or want Jake to have been friends with Heath or to pay a tribute, it’s just irritating to keep reading about how much Jake loved Heath and how good friends they were when it looks like the opposite. And it doesn't make Jake an awful person, not everyone has to like Heath, you know.

I’m not even a member of that forum, I only found it because I was googling something about Jake and came across that discussion, o wise 4:17 PM, not that I give a toss about you and your opinion. Go take a nap or something and quit boring me with you "wah, wah, wah, go away, leave Jake alone!!!!!!!" Chris Crocker wants his crap back!

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jake didn't have anything nice to say about Heath?

Wrong. Jake sad a lot of wonderful things about Heath.

Anonymous said...

Wrong. Jake sad a lot of wonderful things about Heath.

Not according to Theresa and those other fools. They'll never be satisfied.

Anonymous said...

it’s just irritating to keep reading about how much Jake loved Heath and how good friends they were when it looks like the opposite

Read my lips:

Jake Gyllenhaal said, more than once, that Heath Ledger was his close friend.

Anonymous said...

Read my lips:
Jake Gyllenhaal said, more than once, that Heath Ledger was his close friend.


Sure. When asked about how he remembers Heath he also said "I don’t have much to say." ;)

Anonymous said...

when it looks like the opposite

There is no reason to doubt Jake and Heath's friendship, no argument worth mentioning.

Anonymous said...

When asked about how he remembers Heath he also said "I don’t have much to say."

You silly people are desparate and pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Sure. When asked about how he remembers Heath he also said "I don’t have much to say." ;)

But it's better than saying ugly, true things, right?

Anonymous said...

But it's better than saying ugly, true things, right?

Hmm, I wonder if Heath murdered Boo.

Anonymous said...

Those "ugly things" exist only in your head.

Anonymous said...

4:59 PM #2, those "ugly things" exist only in your head.

Anonymous said...

You silly people are desparate and pathetic.

It's a bunch of silly, obsessed brokies who are bitter and need someone to blame. And that someone is Jake.

Anonymous said...

Can't wait for Jake, Michelle and Matilda pictures! Heads will explode! :)

Can't wait! lol

Anonymous said...

Those "ugly things" exist only in your head.

But there's no other reason why Jake didn't gush, gush, gush about Heath. Now, is there?

Anonymous said...

5:04 PM - Jake was clear, he loved and respected Heath.

Anonymous said...

Was James Shamus at the memorial? Ang Lee?

Anonymous said...

It's a bunch of silly, obsessed brokies who are bitter and need someone to blame. And that someone is Jake.

Good god, who blames Jake for anything? The discussion started with the info that Jake didn't attend any of Heath's memorials despite telling Ted and Lisa that he had. Maybe he had a reason for it. So what if someone posted that? Is free discussion not allowed here anymore?

Then someone suggested Jake and Heath might have had a falling-out before Heath's death.

What the heck is wrong with talking about any of it? There's some ultra-sensitive silly fangirl here that can't take anything that is less than positive about Jake - an advice for you, if you can't take the convo better stop reading.

Anonymous said...

Jake said he attended the memorial service. I believe him, not Theresa. She seems to be a latent psychopath. End of story.

Anonymous said...

The discussion started with the info that Jake didn't attend any of Heath's memorials...

There was NO info, just more speculations and spinning.

Anonymous said...

Can't wait! lol

Jake should stay away from tramp Michelle and her spawn. Heath's REAL freinds (wich according to Theresa & co Jake isn't) should be part of their lives. Jake has no responsibility.

Anonymous said...

5:04 PM - Jake was clear, he loved and respected Heath.

I'm not trying to start anything, so to the silly fangirl: don't jump on me!, but Jake never said that, he only said he admired Heath. He really didn't say anything about Heath as a person other than how sensitive he was.

Anonymous said...

Jake never said that

Yes, he did and there is nothing you can do to deny it.

Anonymous said...

Jake has no responsibility.

He doesn't, but Jake loves Michelle and Matilda so he loves spending time with them.

Anonymous said...

Yes, he did and there is nothing you can do to deny it.

Alright, I'll take my words back if you post the quote where Jake said he "loved and respected Heath". :)

Anonymous said...

5:35 PM, quit playing stupid and read GQ interview.

Anonymous said...

Oh I see then.... ;)

Anonymous said...

He doesn't, but Jake loves Michelle and Matilda so he loves spending time with them.

Nah. I think he feels obliged because of this pseudo honor.
He could easily say, "fuck all this shit", but he has a sense of responsibility even though he doesn't have to in this case.

Anonymous said...

Oh I see then.... ;)

Isn't him saying that he was enamoured with and admired Heath not good enough for you?

Anonymous said...

5:40 PM - here we go again. Jake cares about different people but there is no way he could care about Michelle and Matilda.

Anonymous said...

5:40 PM - here we go again. Jake cares about different people but there is no way he could care about Michelle and Matilda.

Why should he care about Michelle? He didn't even seem to like her during BBM promotion. She seemed to like him though, imo she even had a little crush or something. But Jake loves children, I'm sure Matilda too.

Anonymous said...

Atticus said...
Daddy is on webcam talking to some Henry Baby guy.


LOL. Good boy, Atti! Have Daddy feed you when he's done - but make sure he washes his hand - err, hands first!

Anonymous said...

:)

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28 minutes ago

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prairiegirl said...

((3:02)), I was so sorry to read about the passing of your dog. My heart aches for you. It does hurt, more than anything. I've been there and I've also gotten real attached to several dogs who have since passed.

Don't know what to say that could possibly help except I'm thinking of you. And don't feel bad at all about crying - it does help. Just helps to release the pain.

Hope you get to feeling better soon.

Anonymous said...

Did Theresa go to both memorials? Maybe Jake went to the Sony one-_I do remember reading sightings of him and Reese going to one of the LA memorials. I found them credible. Why would Theresa say he didn't go to either when it seems like he went to one of them? I don't understand her motivation in saying that.

By the way, whether you hate Reese or not (I think she's a bitch but a sharp cookie), she is image-obsessed and I find it difficult to fathom that this image-obsessed woman wouldn't encourage her "bf" to attend one of Heath's memorials because it wouldn't look good otherwise. She's all about appearances and Jake going to one of Heath's memorials would fit in with that.

Anonymous said...

Did Theresa go to both memorials?

Theresa is Heath's fan, not his friend nor a celebrity - she didn't go to any memorials.

Anonymous said...

E reported Jake went to the second memorial, the public one for friends, co-stars etc.

Anonymous said...

I do remember reading sightings of him and Reese going to one of the LA memorials

Fake sighting that insulted anyone's intelligence.

Anonymous said...

Why would Theresa say he didn't go to either when it seems like he went to one of them? I don't understand her motivation in saying that.

In my opinion she is crazy. She's probably disappointed Jake didn't react like Jack would react to Ennis' death and makes up shit to make Jake look bad. She needs serious help.

Anonymous said...

Fake sighting that insulted anyone's intelligence.

How do you know the sighting was fake? It was a caterer who posted that she was catering for the memorial and that she saw Josh Hartnett and Jake (with Reese) there.

Anonymous said...

How do you know the sighting was fake?

Because the girl who posted the "sighting" was too stupid to make the fiction remotely believable.

Anonymous said...

Oh, please stop, I need some brain bleach at the mere thought of phony Reese at Heath's memorial. And Reese had no influence over Jake no matter what bullshit she tries to put out there - she was his beard, not his mother.

Anonymous said...

Theresa went to the Sony memorial and is pals with close friends of Heath. She knew Heath and works in the industry. These are facts. I believe her more than some silly brookies who say Jake was there just because they want him to have been there. If he wasn't so what, it doesn't make him evil. Why can’t you accept it? I’m sure he had his reasons.

That "report" of Jake and his beard at Heath's memorial was in no way credible. Reeke, who didn't miss a chance for photo ops would miss this pure gold opportunity? Poor Jake consoled and supported by his caring girlfriend, all kept hush hush that no one knew, no press coverage? The chin would've been all over it and you know it. Give me a break!

Anonymous said...

I agree with you about the Chin being all for it. She MUST have encouraged him to go. You KNOW this type of event is for her--particularly with all of HW attending...

Anonymous said...

E reported Jake went to the second memorial, the public one for friends, co-stars etc.

There were also a report that Jake arrived in Australia for Heath's funeral. Same thing, bs.

Anonymous said...

So, the E report and that sighting that Jake attended the second memorial are fake? As well as the fact that Jake confiremed he attended? Ok, then.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you about the Chin being all for it. She MUST have encouraged him to go. You KNOW this type of event is for her--particularly with all of HW attending...

So she encouraged Jake to go but she didn't use the publicity? Reeke was there and no photo op? LMAO, are you serious?

Anonymous said...

So, does anyone know anything about this scott collura guy from IGN?

Anonymous said...

So she encouraged Jake to go but she didn't use the publicity? Reeke was there and no photo op? LMAO, are you serious?

There was the E report.

Anonymous said...

6:28 PM, give us a break with those Theresa lies and fiction.

You give us a break that everything she says is true.

Anonymous said...

There was the E report.

Please don't lie - there was no report about the chin.

Anonymous said...

6:28 PM, give us a break with those Theresa lies and fiction.

Fine don't believe it, I don't care, but I do. And I don't hold it against Jake for not going, like I said, I'm sure he had his reasons.

Anonymous said...

You give us a break that everything she says is true.

Who is 'she'?

Anonymous said...

There was the E report.

...

LOL!

Anonymous said...

Who is 'she'?

The "all knowing" Theresa.

Anonymous said...

Fine don't believe it, I don't care, but I do.

Wanna' buy a Brooklyn Bridge?

Anonymous said...

The "all knowing" Theresa.

No one believes "all knowing" Theresa.

Anonymous said...

LOL!

Laugh all you want, but I rather believe E and that sighting than Theresa.

Anonymous said...

"No one believes "all knowing" Theresa."


says you

6:39 PM said...

And I believe Jake too.

Anonymous said...

Wanna' buy a Brooklyn Bridge?

Keep it and stay in your bubble.

Anonymous said...

@scottcolluraIGN Apparently, Jake Gyllenhall will be "coming out" soon. I'm not joking.
28 minutes ago
twitter.com/sandman420

So, does anyone know anything about this scott collura guy from IGN?


No :(

Anonymous said...

6:41 PM, there is no bubble - just common sense and years of experience with made up fandom crap.

Anonymous said...

I remember another sighting that mentioned Jake and Russell Crowe at the second memorial as well. 2 sightings, one report and Jake himself saying he was there.

Gemma said...

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Now that Michael Bay has reportedly dumped the troublemaking starlet, just about every ingenue in Hollywood thinks she has a shot at the big time. According to TheWrap, however, those ladies shouldn't get their hopes up as it looks as though Prince of Persia's Gemma Arterton is the current "front-runner" for the gig.

Anonymous said...

If Jake attended the second L.A. memorial, that begs the question why didn't he as a supposedly close friend and godfather of Heath's daughter attend the private memorial (Naomi Watts, Heath's ex did for instance)? Truth is, Jake was "just" a friend from the industry, like Hartnett, Farrell, Law, Emile Hirsh, Gilliam etc... Nothing more. The godfather titel is just a symbolic gesture, nothing to be taken seriously. So, kudos to Jake for playing along with the press, but you can see how uncomfortable he was when Lorraine Kelly mentioned it. And kudos to him for keeping in touch with M & M.
Heath and Michelle never should have mentioned it in front of the press. They did Jake no favour long-term. I think Jake thought it meant more than it actually did. I think he realized it by now.

Anonymous said...

So, kudos to Jake for playing along with the press, but you can see how uncomfortable he was when Lorraine Kelly mentioned it.

You are imagining things and forgetting that Jake said he's seeing Michelle and Matilda (GQ and Italian interview).

Anonymous said...

6:41 PM, there is no bubble - just common sense and years of experience with made up fandom crap.

Do you understand that this woman works in Hollywood and she was the person who was behind the big campaign for Parnassus to get a distributor? Do you understand that this person is in contact with people who were very close friends with Heath and worked with him before he died? This is not some anonymous poster who makes up crap and posts it on anonymous sites. She has cred, there were pics of her and/or her daughter with Gilliam, Pecorini, Verne Troyer (sp?), etc. She arranged a chat with Gilliam.

You believe anon posts on DL but not someone who has proved is the real deal? Unbelievable.

She always had good things to say about Jake, what a nice guy he is, how incredibly beautiful his eyes are, etc. You can read it on the old Lasher threads on DCF, she never hated Jake, the opposite. She also said on the Heath forum that she doesn't know Jake's reason(s) for acting this way, she doesn't understand him but she doesn't judge him either. I guess people don't bother to read, just bash.

Anonymous said...

You are imagining things and forgetting that Jake said he's seeing Michelle and Matilda (GQ and Italian interview).

Read my whole post. I said, kudos to him for keeping in touch with them.

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