March 30, 2010
There’s been a lot of commotion regarding Ricky Martin’s recent coming out statement on his official website. As with most things in life these days, I learned about the news on Facebook. So, I immediately posted about the news as well and quickly joined in the jubilee of queerness and pranced about the office like a middle school-aged boy who accidently touched hands with his classroom crush. I even committed the blasphemy of comparing the news to that of Health Care Reform and the release of Apple’s iPad (insert sound of angel choir here).
And then, of course, there was the storm of cattiness that followed the news. As a queer Xicano, I admit that sarcasm is built into my genetic code. The survivor of four Christian-themed religions and 500+ years of white supremacist occupation, I find humor, irony and disbelief in most things. Still, yesterday I just wanted to celebrate.
I agree that the fact that Ricky is gay is not all that shocking. Queer men and not long speculated or asserted that he shook his bon bon far too well to be straight. Plus, for us jotos/maricones/patos, there was the added benefit of dreaming him up queer, which somehow put us that much closer to his arms.
Still, as the catty remarks continue, as people boast about how they knew and think he should have done this 10 years ago, or sassy queens dismiss the news as inconsequential, I say, look beyond our borders (geographic, cultural, and age-based) and take a minute to honor the fact that for many, Ricky’s coming out is groundbreaking, perhaps even life-saving.
Ricky Martin at the 2010 Billboard Latin Music Awards
April 29, 2010
April 29, 2010
So Ricky was doing more than living la vida loca; he was, in fact, a loca. To the trained eye, this is just confirmation that our gaydar runs on more than hormones and dreams.
Hormones, dreams and cattiness aside, I challenge the ungleeful remarks about Ricky’s coming out.
As with most performers who began as Spanish-language artists, Ricky began over 10 years ago. The Barbara Walters interview (assuming it was Barbara, I can never tell who is behind that cloud of light) did have me on the edge of my teenage self, hoping he’d come out and proclaim his gayness, but it wasn’t his beginning. Ricky’s career began decades ago.
Long before the Latin Explosion, which was more of a Latin Spark, Ricky had left his imprint on the Spanish pop scene of the late 80’s and early to mid-90’s. Back when Thalía and Paulina were still artists and relevant, before Gloria Trevi’s traumatic (for her and her fans) imprisonment in Brazil, and before Alejandra Guzmán would be hospitalized for too much botox on her behind, there was a cultural movement in Latin America.
As a pre-teen growing up in a rural town of 300 in northern México, Thalía, Paulina, Gloria, Alejandra and Ricky were my window into another world. Their performances pushed, albeit at times gently and censured, the boundaries of repressive cultural norms. From flowers wrapped around a microphone to songs about teen pregnancy and abortion, these young performers were resisting and embodying another realm of cultural possibilities. Ricky gave boys the excuse (and perhaps reason) to shake our hips in ways that would otherwise be condemned as obscene.
The dismissal of Ricky’s coming out seems to be rooted in an U.S.-centric perspective where we have the opportunity to stop celebrating any queer image on TV and offer our critique. There is so much gayness these days that we can spend our days and dissertations balking at how a character isn’t gay enough, is too gay, is too white, etc. And although we don’t actually have the type of representation GLAAD and I would like to see, we have a whole lot more than we did in México in 1992 (except, of course, Ricky gently caressing his long hair on stage… oh, and Locomía).
I am not critiquing the fact that we spend so much time criticizing queer portrayals in the media. To the contrary, I am celebrating the fact that we can. In fact, I’d go further and ask why queer people of color media performance and productions are so weak, lame and superficial. Having once curating a queer people of color cultural arts program, I know we can do better.
What I am critiquing is that our criticisms of Ricky’s coming out has us falling into the pitfall of imagining and defining all things queer through a U.S. lens. I even joked about the fact that he used the term “homosexual” to define himself. And now, in retrospect I find that identifying as a “fortunate homosexual” was much more powerful than a simple “gay.”
Perhaps for the jaded queen living in urban U.S., the oversaturation of gayness in the media has deemed Ricky insignificant and worthy of our dismissal. For that frightened and confused 12 year old in rural Chihuahua, it’s monumental.
My coming out process was stumped by the fact that I could not even imagine my queerness, let alone live it. At the time, the saturation of gayness was mostly strictly white. It wasn’t until queer brown men like Jaime Cortez and Emanuel Xavier fearlessly (or perhaps fearfully) exposed their work and their bodies to the sun of public criticism, that I was able to imagine myself.
Whether U.S. fags approve or not, Ricky is a prominent figure here, and more importantly, in Latino América. Ricky’s coming out makes it possible for young boys in countless homes to imagine themselves as something other than confused.
For this, I say to Ricky: gracias. And, you know where to find me.
Source: Guest post: "Why Ricky Matters" by Lorenzo Herrera y Lozano
Ricky Martin on Twitter
2,794 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 2794 Newer› Newest»7:06 PM, there must be a reason why she lies. And I believe she does.
Do you understand that this woman works in Hollywood
LOL! So what? Thousands people work in Hollywood, that doesn't mean they know Jake.
You believe anon posts on DL but not someone who has proved is the real deal?
Proof my ass, Theresa is a fangirl, of course I believe Jake over her.
Proof my ass, Theresa is a fangirl, of course I believe Jake over her.
ITA.
I said, kudos to him for keeping in touch with them.
No need for kudos, Jake cares about them.
LOL! So what? Thousands people work in Hollywood, that doesn't mean they know Jake.
She never said she knows Jake, just that she met him and liked him very much. My point was not about her working in Hollywood, yes many people do, it was about working with very good friends of Heath that he worked with closely before he died. She helped Candy then Parnassus get a distributor. I'm sure she knows a lot more about Heath and Jake from Heath's friends than she's willing to say.
I'm sure Theresa has no inside information about Jake or Jake and Heath's relationship because Heath's friends she supposedly knows are people who worked with Heath, not Heath's confidants.
Sorry, Gilliam and Pecorini WERE Heath's confidants. They were old friends whom Heath sought often for advice and because he got attached to them. Gilliam worked with Heath on Brothers Grimm and Pecorini on The Order and Brothers Grimm before Parnassus. They're one of the reasons Heath agreed to star in Parnassus even though he had much better offers.
Sorry, Gilliam and Pecorini WERE Heath's confidants.
Confidants but not true friends. True friends don't blab about personal information given to them, like they did in the VF article. And if Gilliam was such a close friend, why was he at the public memorial and not the private one for family and close friends?
@scottcolluraIGN Apparently, Jake Gyllenhall will be "coming out" soon. I'm not joking.
28 minutes ago
twitter.com/sandman420
So, does anyone know anything about this scott collura guy from IGN?
IGN (an abbreviation for the former Imagine Games Network) is a multimedia news and reviews website that focuses heavily on video games. Its corporate parent is IGN Entertainment, which owns and controls separate sites such as GameSpy, GameStats and AskMen. Scott Collura writes movie reviews for IGN.
Who wrote this information to Mr. Collura?
@scottcolluraIGN Apparently, Jake Gyllenhall will be "coming out" soon. I'm not joking.
28 minutes ago
twitter.com/sandman420
Sandman420 wrote this information. Who is Sandman 420?
Also IGN is the ultimate resource for Disney Interactive Studios.
games.ign.com › Games › Companies -
One of the reasons that many here (myself) included don't believe everything he says and take him with a grain of salt is because he exposes his lies all by himself. How many times over the years have we heard about Paul Newman being his celebrity godfather and Jake being quoted as saying Newman taught him to drive. Now in that interview posted earlier Jake speaks so admiringly of Newman and starts off by saying that Newman isn't his godfather and his father taught him to drive. If all the Newman stuff wasn't true, why did Jake wait 10 years to correct it? IDK if that Teresa person lied or not, but Jake has once again been caught in an untruth spoken by him.
sandman420
Sorry, Gilliam and Pecorini WERE Heath's confidants.
Yeah, right. I'm sure you where there with them and you know what kind of friends they were. Geez.
Also IGN is the ultimate resource for Disney Interactive Studios.
games.ign.com › Games › Companies -
But it's not actually Scott Collura from IGN who wrote that information. It was this Sandman guy.
Confidants but not true friends.
Whether they were true friends or not is irrelevant to this conversation. You said they have no real info about Jake and Heath's relationship, but I think they do.
When Heath opened up to who he considered close friends, he really opened up. Also, Gilliam is a friend with Heath's family and other of his close pals, knows Trevor, Heath's best mate, etc. He helped finish Heath's King Rat video for him. Also, it's a known fact that Heath used to call Gilliam up when he felt lonely and frustrated during the BBM shoot. Jake said himself that Heath really loved Gilliam.
7:53 PM, that might be true but has nothing to do with Theresa and her fiction.
7:53 PM - so tell me what you think was the deal between Jake and Heath? Were they friends? Why did Jake choose Jake as symbolic godfather, he could have chosen Ang Lee? When you look at pictures of them together they seemed to like each other, I mean A LOT.
I mean why did Heath choose Jake
God, some of you have 'playing stupid' down to a fine art. It's really funny.
God, some of you have 'playing stupid' down to a fine art. It's really funny.
Huh? Please explain!
But it's not actually Scott Collura from IGN who wrote that information. It was this Sandman guy.
That's right. That "coming out" tweet and the recipient from IGN look very random. *shrugs*
If Thersa said that he did attend, then I bet you would believe her.
spyridonkagkas: #PrinceofPersia: Not bad at all, cinematic angles, basic plot with time twisting finale, good actors, HOT Gyllenhaal in leather!
about 1 hour ago
Why did Jake choose Jake as symbolic godfather, he could have chosen Ang Lee?
Heath did two blunders re Jake a week or so before the announcement at the Bafta's so I think it was likely PR but I do believe Heath genuinely liked Jake. I used to think Jake liked Heath too, but I'm not sure anymore.
Heath did two blunders re Jake a week or so before the announcement at the Bafta's so I think it was likely PR but I do believe Heath genuinely liked Jake. I used to think Jake liked Heath too, but I'm not sure anymore.
If he's not even the symbolic godfather, then really kudos to him for keeping in touch with the girls. It wouldn't be necessary at all.
8:11 PM #1 - wrong again, only people who are selling "Jake and Heath couldn't be friends" shit need Theresa's stories.
8:15 PM, I feel second hand embarrassment about your hate.
8:15 PM, I feel second hand embarrassment about your hate.
What? I hate no one. I just said if Jake is not the symbolic godfather he actually has no reason to keep in touch with Michelle and Matilda, but it seems he does.
Stupid trolls.
All I'm saying is that I have no respect for people who use their child/children for PR.
What's wrong with my comment?
What is wrong with you, 8:41 PM? How dare you suggesting that Heath and Michelle would use Matilda for cheap PR? How pathetic can you be?
What is wrong with you, 8:41 PM? How dare you suggesting that Heath and Michelle would use Matilda for cheap PR? How pathetic can you be?
I didn't suggest that, it was 8:11 PM.
To the commenter having a conversation with himself. If you want to make it look believable let some time pass between comments. Like someone else actually read it and thought about it. Unless of course your goal is to just to take up space and keep the conversation about anything except Jake being gay.
All I'm saying is that I have no respect for people who use their child/children for PR.
What about when Jake agreed to use along with the Chin her children for photo ops time and again? No wait, you believe Reeke was real, just looked off sometimes and not all pics were photo ops, right? Right?
What about when Jake agreed to use along with the Chin her children for photo ops time and again? No wait, you believe Reeke was real, just looked off sometimes and not all pics were photo ops, right? Right?
WTF are you talking about? Did I say Jake and Reese are any better than Heath and Michelle?
Do you have respect for Jake who used the Chin's kids for PR, too?
No.
Will there be a time when Jake&Heath won't be a hot topic? 10 years from now, if we're still here, we'll probably still disagree on it.
Amazing how this issue continues to get some people's blood boiling. :D
I wonder if he asked the cute guy if he wanted to hang out later.
Just saw Jake on TNT cheering on the Celtics, I love him more. Of course he was promoting the movie and so was TNT.
And Jake does lie, he was asked on TNT Celtics or the Lakers and he said he would wait and make his decision if there were a Celtic/Laker finals. But on ESPN he was asked the same question and he answered that he was torned because he grew up some in Boston and had "his boys" who rooted for the Celtics but in the end who would always choose the Lakers.
I hate him now because I am so obsessed with him. But he does flip flop alot on some things, maybe he's bipolar.
Did I say Jake and Reese are any better than Heath and Michelle?
Stupid troll,
Jake and Reese are cheap publicity whores, stop posting your hateful made up crap about Heath and Michelle.
So Jake's a hypocrite? Well he does have a movie to sell and publicity to garner.
9:03 PM, so Jake's a hypocrite? Well he does have a movie to sell and publicity to garner.
I wonder if he asked the cute guy if he wanted to hang out later.
Great picture :)
Heath did two blunders re Jake a week or so before the announcement at the Bafta's so I think it was likely PR but I do believe Heath genuinely liked Jake. I used to think Jake liked Heath too, but I'm not sure anymore.
May 22, 2010 8:11 PM
8:11 PM said that the godfather thing was PR. Heath and Michelle mentioned that Jake is the child's godfather at the Baftas. Did they lie? IDK.
9:03 PM, so Jake's a hypocrite?
No, Jake likes Celtic and Lakers. Very simple.
@scottcolluraIGN Apparently, Jake Gyllenhall will be "coming out" soon. I'm not joking.
twitter.com/sandman420
So, does anyone know anything about this scott collura guy from IGN?
Sandman420 sent the twitter to scott collura guy from IGN, not vice versa.
9:15 PM,
you know very well that Heath and Michelle didn't lie, that they had no reason to lie, you are just playing stupid.
So, you believe Heath and Michelle didn't lie, but you probably believe Jake lied when he said he attended the memorial? Let me guess, you are a Theresa believer.
I wonder if he asked the cute guy if he wanted to hang out later.
I don't know, but it looks like Jake and this guy have a deal. ;)
nice, strong grip=good handjob?
I wonder if he asked the cute guy if he wanted to hang out later.
Awwwwww videos:
ONTD - Jake Gyllenhaal Takes Over Radio Disney!
So, you believe Heath and Michelle didn't lie...
I know that Heath and Michelle didn't lie. Cut the crap.
@scottcolluraIGN Apparently, Jake Gyllenhall will be "coming out" soon. I'm not joking.
twitter.com/sandman420
If you think about it, it would be perfect for Jake to come out if POP is a huge success. What's Disney going to do, fire him and hire another lead for the sequels?! If POP is successful it's because of Jake's personification of Prince Dastan. And if he came out in a few months, what are the homophobic viewers who absolutely loved POP going to do?! He was gay when he made it; are they all of a sudden going to reject him and the POP movie just because they now know he's gay?!
What's Disney going to do, fire him and hire another lead for the sequels?!
Yes.
In that case I'm staying in my pink closet! Sorry guys!
xRecklessHearts: shit, Jake Gyllenhaal is at the Celts game. i love him even more now
12 minutes ago
If you think about it, it would be perfect for Jake to come out if POP is a huge success.
I can see that happening only if there is BT.
May 24, 2010
Late Night with David Letterman
Date: May 24, 2010
Time: 11:35
Channel: CBS
LOL that would be like firing Harrison Ford after the first Indiana Jones movie, Sylvester Stallone after Rocky and Sarah Jessica Parker after SATC1. I hope POP is a success, Jake comes out, and because of POP's success he will be locked into playing Dastan a few more times, whether people like it or not. They will have to accept him, since they did the first time during POP when they thought he was straight. It will be a real eye opener for the public to examine their perceptions. There will be no valid reason, except blatant homophobia, for people and critics to "take back" their opinion of POP or to avoid POP2 simply because Jake is gay.
*you know very well that Heath and Michelle didn't lie, that they had no reason to lie*
^^
I agree they didn't lie, but why did they announce the godfather thing to the media?
Well... they fired Brendan Fraser, didn't they?
I agree they didn't lie, but why did they announce the godfather thing to the media?
A reporter joked that Ang Lee was their match-maker and if he was also the godfather of their baby. Heath and Michelle said that Jake (who was standing next to them) is actually the godfather of the baby.
I agree they didn't lie, but why did they announce the godfather thing to the media?
Because they were happy and excited about it?
The TV news just announced something about Harvey Milk Day; what was LOL is they said Milk was an activist "on behalf of homosexuals and lesbians." Lesbians aren't homosexual?!
I really don't understand why Gilliam said Heath and Michelle's relationship went downhill DURING promo...
IF he said the truth (which i doubt) then lots of the "happy and exciting" moments the 3 of them showed, were kinda acted...
Pics on IHJ of Jake at Celtics game tonight. He's courtside and with Chris.
I really don't understand why Gilliam said Heath and Michelle's relationship went downhill DURING promo...
IF he said the truth (which i doubt) then lots of the "happy and exciting" moments the 3 of them showed, were kinda acted...
Gilliam has no reason to lie.
I hope POP is a success, Jake comes out, and because of POP's success he will be locked into playing Dastan a few more times, whether people like it or not.
No actor can force studio to use him. Disney would have to decide if openly gay Jake means less $$$, and if the answer is yes someone else would play Dastan in PoP 2.
Pics on IHJ of Jake at Celtics game tonight. He's courtside and with Chris.
May 22 - Boston Celtics Vs Orlando Magic Game In Boston
I have to drop off my friend first but I can be at your hotel in about an hour...what room are you in again?
Gilliam suggested there were things Heath felt obligated to say and do because of PR reasons.
IDK, the whole godfather thing sounds very strange. I do believe H & J became great friends, but that friendship was barely begining! I bet Heath had older and closer friends to make GF of his only daughter...
not saying that they lied,though!
Gilliam has no reason to lie.
Heath and Michelle had no reason to lie and pretend.
Heath and Michelle had no reason to lie and pretend.
Gilliam said that HEATH became unsure about the relationship with Michelle during BBM promo. Maybe Michelle didn't know that at the time? I think Heath tried to do the right thing & say and do what was expected of him to Michelle and in front of the media. Hence her didn't expecting him to break her heart.
Jake is looking good at the game. Nice to see him with Chris again. :)
SLUT!
Who is going to feed me?
Didn't we see Jake and Chris at some basketball game in Feb? You act like it's been a year.
Besides Chris lives in Boston, I would be shocked if farmer Chris wasn't there for Jake's photo op.
I'll feed you Atticus. Just let me finish this poem about how spiritual the organic kibble looks in your dish and what the meaning of it is.
Besides Chris lives in Boston
Since when?
I do believe H & J became great friends
I would really love it if someone with inside knowledge would clear this once and for all. Not fans and their hunches. Were they friends at one point or was it all PR? IDK...
Not fans and their hunches.
What are you talking about????
Jake said that Heath was his close friend, not fans.
Jake said that Heath was his close friend, not fans.
But he also said Paul Newman was his celebrity godfather and taught him to drive, so...
I mean someone unbiased who has nothing to gain by lying.
10:32 PM, you don't care about the truth or Jake, you only care about stirring shit.
You're wrong. :)
While anyone's stirring can you mix up steak stew for me? I'm hungry. Thanks.
I'm right because your bullshiting is obvious.
I think "friends" is an overused word in Hollywood.
Maybe they were just co-stars who really,really,really liked each other...
Maybe Gilliam will write a biography about Heath and he'll tell us.
I think people who are threatened by Jake and Heath's friendship really,really,really should seek help.
Jake and Chris are wearing identical shoes?
Spare us the lecture,10:53 PM
All kinds of topics about Jake is being discussed on this site, why the subject of his friendship with Heath should be left alone?
You are posting in this site, do you need some kind of help for being "threatend" by Jake's sexuality???
Jake was a close friend of Heath or maybe he wasn't. Jake is Matilda's godfather, maybe he is not. Jake got driving lessons from Paul Newman, maybe he didn't...
We are just talking about ALL posibilities, so relax and have some fun you too...
LOL same jeans too (look at the hem and side seams). The shoes are slightly different (the shoelace holes) - could be the same designer/maker.
All kinds of topics about Jake is being discussed on this site, why the subject of his friendship with Heath should be left alone?
Don't play stupid - ONLY Jake's friendship with Heath is questioned.
Jake is Matilda's godfather, maybe he is not.
You babblers are crazy.
Yep, same jeans, same boots ... same thong? ;)
ONLY Jake's friendship with Heath is questioned.
Really?
Don't play stupid - ONLY Jake's friendship with Heath is questioned.
We need to have a poll on the front page about it. What say you, Jackie?
ONLY Jake's friendship with Heath is questioned.
Really?
Yes.
We need to have a poll on the front page about it.
Which Jake's friendship is questioned and denied like Heath's?
Jake Gyllenhaal gives serious interviews (not really!) ONTD
Questioned doesn't mean disqualified.
I believe that Jake & Austin were/are sexually involved but I'm not sure about the real nature of their romance (was/is love or just sex?)
I like reading different POV on this subject and sometimes I think different opinions on this same topic are equally valid.
11:33 PM, I have to ask again - which Jake's friendship is questioned and denied like Heath's?
I think people who are threatened by Jake and Heath's friendship really,really,really should seek help."
I completely agree.
I think 11:16 PM answered it already
Friendship with Heath is not a thread. It would only be so for Jaustinites if somebody believes they were involved sexually and not many posters think that.
Sir Ben was on Craig Ferguson last night. He came right out and said they have their fingers crossed that there will be another POP.
Which Jake's friendship is questioned and denied like Heath's?
I'm not the poster you're talking to (11:06 PM/11:16 PM or 11:33 PM) but here's a suggestion for the poll (I'm bored okay)
Which of the following you think is true?
A. Jake and Heath became friends during filming and promoting BBM and stayed friends until Heath passed
B. Jake and Heath became friends during filming and promoting BBM and kept in touch sporadically
C. Jake and Heath became friends during filming and promoting BBM and parted ways afterwards
D. Jake and Heath became friends during filming and promoting BBM and had a falling-out before Heath died
E. Jake and Heath were just co-stars who liked each other well enough, got along, but bid each other adieu once the awards season was over
F. Jake and Heath friends? More like PR bullshit.
Jake has never said that Newman taught him to drive, or that he was his Godfather. One magazine article used that and it got repeated endlessly by others using old material to meet their word quota. However Jake has not gone out of his way to clarify the mistake. I can see Newman liking Jake's mom. In her heyday, she looked a lot like Joanne Woodward.
How about option G. who cares? ancient history.
Thanks, 11:59 PM, that's a good addition. G. it is! But let the talk about Jake&Heath stop once and for all then.
I'll answer you poll 11:54 PM just because you took time to do it and share it
I choose B. They were in touch but not very often due to their busy careers. I guess they thought they would always have time to catch up in the future :´(
K. Jake and Heath became friends during filming and promoting BBM and slobbered over and spoke to each other at least three times a month while attending and masturbating at the Boner, Fine and Queento fan club meetings. Okay okay it was mostly Jake while Heath was banging some chick out in his car but still, they talked and compared notes while smoking cigarettes after every evening.
And... we have a winner!!
A wiener? Where?
LOL is Jake handing the guy his phone number?!
Slut.
Jake Gyllenaal: On The Radio, Whoa, Oh, Oh Just Jared
With regard to this troll turning up here saying Ted and Lisa were lied to about Jake going to Heath's memorial and them 'lying too' (my god, how fangurlish is this all getting?) - could this be the cryptic ref on Gossip Boy's site about a major gossip writer who's gonna get his, sort of thing, and be exposed as the FRAUD he is, lol! You know, to fanfare and ceremony, as if anyone cares.
I wonder if this Gossip Boy is actually a PR vehicle for the agency in that they can use a front to find out who is talking about who and what's being said, then present 'truths' as 'Gossip Boy' sees fit. Which just happen to coincide with statements made here. Jake's peeps have had it in for Ted for a long time. So at this stage nothing would surprise me.
Then again it could be nothing, or twisted wires.
People are always stirring about Heath and Jake. I keep out of that one. It's like politics, it gets everyone fighting as if they were there.
Do you understand that this woman works in Hollywood and she was the person who was behind the big campaign for Parnassus to get a distributor? Do you understand that this person is in contact with people who were very close friends with Heath and worked with him before he died? This is not some anonymous poster who makes up crap and posts it on anonymous sites. She has cred, there were pics of her and/or her daughter with Gilliam, Pecorini, Verne Troyer (sp?), etc. She arranged a chat with Gilliam.
You believe anon posts on DL but not someone who has proved is the real deal? Unbelievable.
She always had good things to say about Jake, what a nice guy he is, how incredibly beautiful his eyes are, etc. You can read it on the old Lasher threads on DCF, she never hated Jake, the opposite. She also said on the Heath forum that she doesn't know Jake's reason(s) for acting this way, she doesn't understand him but she doesn't judge him either. I guess people don't bother to read, just bash.
Okay I'm sure she could in theory be a lovely decent woman.
BUT, just because one has Hollywood contacts doesn't stop one from having personal fetishes or behind the scenes obsessions nobody would know about in the privacy of their free time.
Take Cantara, you'd honestly think with her wit and intelligence she'd have more to do with her time than post hate messages on blogs and surf the net 'defending' some actor on behalf of his father (or her past obsession with his father) to the extent it got worse than schoolyard bitching between 4 year olds? This was a 40+ woman btw with a young child.
Or that one female Hollywood producer/writer named on IMDB and a married, respectable woman was uncovered as the one of the biggest and most prolific Lord of the Rings Domlijah R In Luv trolls who practically held the LoTR community and fandom world to ransom for years with her 'insider' garbage? Coincidentally all made up. She had to apologise when rumbled but at least had the decency to do so.
Yes, shit does happen, even with the supposedly respectable and credible. You cannot take contacts and outward respectability as a sign of 100% assurety in anyone. Jst saying....
Best Jake quote all week:
'It was the perfect role for me. I've always really wanted to play a prince. Some people might say that I am in a lot of ways a princess, so I felt that playing a prince would be fitting...'
http://web.orange.co.uk/article/film/prince-of-persia-jake-gyllenhaal
3:39 AM - thank you!
IMO Theresa is a nut. She wanted Jake to react like Jack to Ennis which he didn't of course. There was a Reeke post on ONTD when they were in Soho shortly after Heath passed and she seemed pissed and said "I thought Jake was in seclusion".
Jake and Heath were friends, Jake is the symbolic godfather to his kid. Even though they probably weren't the closest friends they were friends who kept in touch. I do believe Jake atteded the memorial and I do believe he keeps in touch with the girls.
Everything is much less dramatic than some people like Theresa want us to believe. That woman needs serious help.
Read the last comment, that's "our" Theresa I'm sure. She called Jake "disgusting".
Old ONTD entry
Jake said in an interview that Matilda is his goddaughter and that it's a responsibility he takes seriously. Talk about ostriches with your heads in the sand - how much more clear does Jake have to make it to get through to some of you? I think the children in his life are his niece and goddaughter. I'm very skeptical about BT now that Jake is either making movies or promoting them, where is the time for children.
^^And Theresa said she liked Jake? Please. She likes him as much as fellow nut UV liked/likes Heath. LOL.
Nobody on either side seem to want to believe that little M is a part of Jake's life. It's weird.
UV and Theresa are crazy, old freaks.
^^One of the babblers said about the Lorraine Kelly interview that she thought he interviewed and said a lot without confirming anything or some such wording - but he confirmed and emphasized that he's Matilda's godfather and that he takes it seriously, which came through loud and clear to me, and that he's a big part of Ramona's life too.
I loved the Disney radio clips - he had the child who called in hanging on every word. It was very sweet. If he's good with kids, I think it's because of his niece and goddaughter. I really am beginning to doubt that he's got a child of his own, and two is even more farfetched given that he's away from home a lot.
It was nice to see him at the Celts game with Chris. I hope PoP does well! :)
Read the last comment, that's "our" Theresa I'm sure. She called Jake "disgusting".
Old ONTD entry"
You don't even know what you're talking about. maidenofthesea IS NOT Theresa. She's an ex writer in the BBM fandom. She is most certainly NOT Theresa! Stop inventing or get a clue.
IDK, the whole godfather thing sounds very strange. I do believe H & J became great friends, but that friendship was barely begining! I bet Heath had older and closer friends to make GF of his only daughter...
not saying that they lied,though!
It also might have been Michelle's idea. She was very fond of him.
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Trolly, get lost.
You don't even know what you're talking about. maidenofthesea IS NOT Theresa. She's an ex writer in the BBM fandom. She is most certainly NOT Theresa! Stop inventing or get a clue.
Even if the ONTD poster is not "our" Theresa, I still think "our" Theresa is nuts.
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She does have some cred if she works in the industry, knows Terry Gilliam and Nicola Pecorini. Plus, Heath had communicated with her himself, didn't he? I thought I read that. But I feel if Jake didn't attend the memorials, he had his reasons, and that's good enough for me.
Jake was not uncomfortable with Lorraine Kelly - it's one of the more relaxed interviews I've seen of him. Now whether he's planning to have his own kids in the future, I'm sure that's the case.
But I feel if Jake didn't attend the memorials, he had his reasons, and that's good enough for me.
IA.
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Ha! That player is a cutie :)
Ha! That player is a cutie :)
He is. Do you think Chris might be gay? Sometimes I think he is or bi at least.
After watching his videos, some people said that Chris pings.
^^Who knows? He's very attractive.
I agree with the poster who said sometimes people are just too distraught to attend a memorial.
Chris pings to me sometimes too.
I think that a lot of Heath's fans were just so shaken up about his tragic loss, they focused their sadness on Jake and why he did or did not say anything, or attend the funeral/memorial. With some time and distance, a lot of fans now can see that Jake is his own person with his own feelings. It doesn't mean he didn't care, he probably felt the loss very deeply. JMO
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Jake said in an interview that Matilda is his goddaughter and that it's a responsibility he takes seriously. Talk about ostriches with your heads in the sand - how much more clear does Jake have to make it to get through to some of you? I think the children in his life are his niece and goddaughter. I'm very skeptical about BT now that Jake is either making movies or promoting them, where is the time for children.
If there is a BT remember he has two Dads. When one Dad works the other Dad minds the homefront. I think when both J and A are working Jake takes BT with him or the kid is left with his grandparents. I believe BT was in Austin a cople months ago when both Dads were working. That is why Jake was in Austin not just for a friends 30th.
But I feel if Jake didn't attend the memorials, he had his reasons, and that's good enough for me.
Me too, but then why are we bashing Theresa for basically saying the same thing we believe? I don't know the woman but I don't understand this. And 9:23 AM is right, "maideofthesea" is not Theresa.
So we are hating on a woman who had only good things to say about Jake over time, we're calling her nuts, compare her to that nasty homophobic cunt UV because she said she's disappointing in Jake for not attending any memorial for Heath, yet she doesn't judge him because she doesn't know why he didn't do it?! If only some of you people were smart or interested enough to read the whole thing this whole crap would be avoided and done with by now.
I hope so, it's wonderful if so. I was also reading where Global Green, the organization that Jake and Austin support, is helping out in the Gulf with cleanup? :) Good guys. Nice to see Jake at the Celtics game.
Tom,
people who want babies want to be with them, want to give them family. Jake and Austin don't spend enough time to be a family and I'm sure Jake would never leave a baby with someone else for months.
Me too, but then why are we bashing Theresa for basically saying the same thing we believe?
Because Theresa is a fangirl without any inside knowledge about Jake and Jake and Heath's relationship.
8:50 a.m., you need to get a grip. I've stayed out of this convo, and I don't have an opinion about Jake and the memorials and don't even really care, but you are 100% wrong about the poster at ONTD being Theresa at the Heath site. Talk about spreading bullshit - that wins the prize, and you've revealed yourself to be clueless and as crazy as you claim others to be. Talk about pot and kettle.
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I bet Jake often takes Chris with him where he goes and Chris goes unnoticed because he's a civilian. He was probably the guy he took to Mozza when he came back from Montreal. IMO Jake and Chris either were or still are occasionally more than friends. Just a feeling.
And Theresa said she liked Jake? Please. She likes him as much as fellow nut UV liked/likes Heath. LOL.
Liar.
I bet Jake often takes Chris with him where he goes and Chris goes unnoticed because he's a civilian. He was probably the guy he took to Mozza when he came back from Montreal. IMO Jake and Chris either were or still are occasionally more than friends. Just a feeling.
Actually, I think the reason Jake gets to be seen in public with Chris tells me that he and Chris are friends, nothing more salacious than that. However, the vanishing act associated with Austin Nichols is very suspicious. I've always thought that.
Please define 'very suspicious'.
Actually, I think the reason Jake gets to be seen in public with Chris tells me that he and Chris are friends, nothing more salacious than that. However, the vanishing act associated with Austin Nichols is very suspicious. I've always thought that.
Jake and his handlers know there are zero rumors about him and Chris whereas there's tons about him and Austin. Ever hear of hiding in plain sight?
"Nobody on either side seem to want to believe that little M is a part of Jake's life. It's weird·
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What you mean with "want to believe"?? This is not a matter of wanting something or not.
We are duscussing about the things we see and hear and try to put the puzzle together.
So far, there is no physical evidence that Jake sees Matilda regularly. I'm sure there will be a pic or two in the future (candids I hope,not photo-op) but for now, we are speculating and talking about it as we always do...
There is no anti-Matilda campaign, i assure you.
And only a blind idiot could think that Jake and Michelle getting closer is a threat to Jake/Austin relationship.
10:49 AM, funny you should say that because there's as much physical evidence Jake is in a relationship with Austin as there is of Jake seeing Matilda. I'm not talking about pics from years ago, I'm talking about Jake and Austin rarely being in the same city over the past 3 years.
There is no anti-Matilda campaign, i assure you.
There is anti-Heath, Michelle, Matilda campaign. It started long ago - see old posts.
Since Jake talked about Heath, Michelle and Matilda those posters are looking for new "arguments" to prove that Jake is a liar and that Heath, Michelle and Matilda can't be part of his life, no matter what Jake say about it.
Jake and his handlers know there are zero rumors about him and Chris.
That's definitely, not true. I knew very little about Jake until Brokeback Mountain, but I've heard rumors about him with many other men, including Chris since then. Commenters on this site openly discuss the topic regularly. Including back in April, when they were at the LA basketball game together, with another guy.
I'm talking about Jake and Austin rarely being in the same city over the past 3 years.
Jake is more often in the same city as Michelle and Matilda.
We had pics with Chris, now it's about time for some Jaustin pics.
10:47 a.m. Please define 'very suspicious'.
It's called being deep in the closet.
Since Jake talked about Heath, Michelle and Matilda
He only really talked about Heath. Other than that comment about talking to Michelle recently about BBM and Lorraine asking about Matilda to which Jake only nodded and said there's a responsibility, he didn't really say anything else about them. Yeah, he also said in that Italian interview he sees Matilda when she in LA. Let's not ignore what he said but let's not exaggerate either.
That's definitely, not true.
It is.
Good thing Jake stays in shape with regular exercise, yoga, etc., b/c he'd have to be Superman to be fucking all the people, men and women, he gets shipped with, lol.
^^LOL.
He only really talked about Heath.
Jake acknowledged them all and anti-Heath posters aren't happy about it because now they have to fight Jake too.
It's called being deep in the closet.
Jake and Austin are deep in the closet, but I don't believe they are still dating - people who date make the effort to be together.
11:03 #2 How so? The poster made good points about Jake being rumored to be with Chris for years. In fact, Chris has been tied to Jake consistenly as a boyfriend. Even the big splash in late August 2007 associated Chris with Jake.
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There is anti-Heath, Michelle, Matilda campaign. It started long ago - see old posts.
I think there's only an anti-Heath campaign, as you call it.
No one has anything against Michelle since she's no threat, Jake and Michelle are never going to happen (cue to the loon(s) ranting that we don't know neither Jake nor Michelle so how dare we make such an outrageous assumption?). The delusional shipper annoys some, understandable since this is a Jake is gay site.
As for Matilda, IMO some people don't like the idea of Jake seeing her because they believe he's neglecting BT.
As for Matilda, IMO some people don't like the idea of Jake seeing her because they believe he's neglecting BT.
If true, very ridiculous reasoning. There's no proof whatsoever that BT exists.
I remember when the last set of Jaustin biking pics showed up during Reeking times.
At that moment, I was convinced that they were 100% over and kaput and that they didn't even see or talk to each other anymore. I then came the pics (I'm still not sure what was that about) but I've learnt that with Toothy you never really know what is happening until it happens.
I don't believe they are still dating - people who date make the effort to be together - but I believe they remained friends so new Jake and Austin pictures wouldn't change my opinion.
No one can say Jake & Austin don't spend enough time to be a family. That's totally unproven.
Just the opposite - that is the only thing that can be proven because we have working schedules, locations and pictures. You can't deny facts.
"Heath and I had different ways of working," he explains. "I was trying to apply things I had seen other actors do - like where you interrupt the other actor to change the dynamic of the scene.
"Heath got pretty irritated with me and we had some arguments about that."
I read this in GQ too. Heath seemed like a very moody and difficult guy. Why did Jake even like him???
I read this in GQ too. Heath seemed like a very moody and difficult guy. Why did Jake even like him???
I agree about Heath being moody and difficult sometimes. But he was also a very generous friend, no ego, but also very sensitve. He liked Jake. And Jake liked him very much too. Both guys have good and bad sides, but it seems they concentrated on their good sides. Which is a good thing. :)
Anne described Heath as very generous and special in many ways and that she cared about more than she actually knew him.
Heath may have been fickle with his lady loves, but he was a good friend.
Their jobs require them to travel and spend time away from their kids.
Austin is traveling around with Sophia because there is no BT. No parent would do that instead of spending time with his baby and partner.
I don't believe they are still dating - people who date make the effort to be together - but I believe they remained friends so new Jake and Austin pictures wouldn't change my opinion.
I agree with you.
Just the opposite - that is the only thing that can be proven because we have working schedules, locations and pictures. You can't deny facts.
I think PrairieGirl is making some very sound arguments. Just because there are no photos of Jake and Austin together does not mean they are not together. In fact, I agree with the 10:46 comment. And, if posters have intricate, detailed schedules of both Jake and Austin's everyday life in terms of their physical whereabouts, please post them. We'll be able to solve this mystery today! LOL.
No, I'm sorry but that is a non-thinking and rash statement. No, I'm sorry but that is a non-thinking and rash statement. Can you provide me with the work schedules, location & pictures from April 24, please?
Please don't insult anyone's intelligence and pretend that Jake didn't film all those movies, that Austin didn't film OTH, that Austin didn't travel around with Sophia and that Jake and Austin weren't on different coasts when they had chance to be together.
I think PrairieGirl is making some very sound arguments. Just because there are no photos of Jake and Austin together does not mean they are not together.
For God's sake - if Austin and Jake are on different continents then they aren't spending time together, no ne needs fucking photos, just use your common sense.
11:46 AM, let it be. Jaustinites, as we well know by now, live in their own little world where they ignore everything that doesn't fit their little tale. It's not even worth trying to reason with some of them, like talking to a brick wall. They will spin and spin and spin.
I'm sorry, 11:42, but I'm not going to get into an argument about the moralities & decisions of having & raising children.
You are avoiding the answer and playing stupid. What is more important - traveling around with Sophia and parties or parenting your kid and spending time with your poartner? Please answer.
Jake and Austin may very well be a couple; but raising two children together is really stretching credulity. Neither one of them are home very much, it seems. Both of their whereabouts can be confirmed at the same time, and a lot of the time, it's away from CA and NY. No way to raise one child, nevermind two. Where would they have time to spend with not only their own, but Ramona and Matilida? I'm sorry, there's room for doubt. Some unknown cardiac surgeon somewhere doesn't convince. Maybe his or her partner is at home. I'm not a big believer in two high-powered career couples being able to raise a family as well. You have to make sacrifices somewhere along the line; nobody can have it all. In some families, both have to work out of financial necessity, but if you don't have to, it's better for the children to have one parent available, JMO. A picture of a child in Morocco means nothing.
Are you going to ask that of all the cardiac surgeons in the world? Do you know the kind of hours the world's surgeons put in?
More playing dumb.
Cardiac surgeons go home every day and can be with their kids every day.
Austin and Jake couldn't do that all those months and months while they weren't in the same city, so everyone would expect that they would try to be together as much as possible - which isn't happening.
as we well know by now, live in their own little world where they ignore everything that doesn't fit their little tale. It's not even worth trying to reason with some of them, like talking to a brick wall. They will spin and spin and spin.
Like you. The very fact that you use the term Jaustinites in a pejorative context, makes your statements less than fair or open-minded. When all else fails, don't deal with the arugument. I haven't made up my mind yet, but your bias is definitely showing.
Like I said, if someone wants to work on a timeline of their work schedules for 2010 and/or 2009, I'd love to see them.
BT was born in 2007, remember?
"Heath and I had different ways of working," he explains. "I was trying to apply things I had seen other actors do - like where you interrupt the other actor to change the dynamic of the scene.
"Heath got pretty irritated with me and we had some arguments about that."
I read this in GQ too. Heath seemed like a very moody and difficult guy. Why did Jake even like him???
LOL. And the Heath bashing continues. What really happened here is that Jake was being pretentious and over-stepped his bounds by trying to do something with Heath that Dustin Hoffman did with him (as he admitted). But Jake isn't Dustin Hoffman and doesn't have the years of experience of a Dustin Hoffman, especially not five years ago. Why does it make Heath a bad guy because he didn't appreciate Jake surprising him by interrupting his concentration in a scene? Jake wasn't the director. Actors have disagreements all the time on set - it doesn't make anyone a bad guy. Jake is a professional and understands that. And Jake has, he admits himself, had times when he was more than "irritated" with co-stars on a movie set.
No, you know what? I'm not answering someone who can't argue without getting insulting and childish.
Sorry Prairiegirl.
I have to admit, BT believers who are ignoring obvious facts and common sense are driving me mad and I can't control myself. :)
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