Montgomery Clift rolling cigarette
during shooting of 'Red River', circa 1948
during shooting of 'Red River', circa 1948
The Advocate: There are so many biographies of Montgomery Clift and numerous websites devoted to him. What was the biggest surprise you learned about him while researching your book?
Amy Lawrence: I was most impressed by Clift’s canny understanding of his own image. Many biographers depict him as refusing to participate in the Hollywood star system, but that didn’t mean he was ignorant of it. He understood how an actor’s image was built and maintained. In giving interviews or choosing roles, he knew exactly how to shape a performance to achieve the effect he wanted — and to resist the efforts of others to simplify a character. For instance, he was aware that screenwriters and directors often wanted to make the hero perfect; Clift wanted to make the character human, complicated, and not always admirable.
Q: Clift is often spoken of in context as a “gay actor” or in conjunction with Marlon Brando and James Dean. What do you see as Clift’s singular legacy?
A: Brando and Dean both thought of Clift as singular. Brando saw Clift as his only major competition, and Dean saw him as a model, an ideal to emulate. Unlike those performers, Clift’s best work has not become dated. In Red River, From Here to Eternity, A Place in the Sun, I Confess, and half a dozen others, his performances are impeccable. At his best he is never mannered or predictable. His performances are subtle, intelligent, graceful, and deeply empathetic regardless of the character’s flaws.
Q: How did Clift’s being gay — or bisexual, as some suggest — when it was still taboo affect his drinking, drug taking, and ultimate downward spiral?
A: The homophobia of the time, which intensified nationally just as Clift’s career was beginning in the late 1940s and early ’50s, certainly exerted pressure on Clift. A serious relationship with choreographer Jerome Robbins in the ’40s threatened both their careers when Robbins was blackmailed into testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee hearings regarding communists and other “subversives” in Washington and the entertainment community. I would be hesitant, though, to cast Clift as a “sad young man,” “self-loathing homosexual,” or fit him into any other category into which gay men were sorted from the 1950s to ’70s. Alcoholism affects everyone, and in the postwar period heavy drinking was routine across the board. By the time Clift’s drinking became full-blown alcoholism, it was impossible to disentangle from his devastating car accident, the prescription painkillers he needed at the time, and his professional fear regarding the damage done to his face. In the latter part of his career, his drinking and drug taking were so dominant in his life that he couldn’t function without them. Paradoxically, at the point when he worked with unsupportive or openly hostile homophobic producers and directors, the drugs and drinking sustained him as much as they destroyed him.
Q: You write about the fan magazines of the 1950s that frequently used sexually suggestive headlines such as “Who Is Monty Kidding?” How well known was the truth about Clift’s sexuality during that era?
A: Clift worked in a period when fan magazines were challenged by scandal magazines, each promising “the truth” about stars’ private lives. Ironically, even the scandal rags did not want any “truth” firmly established because that would rob them of the chance to repeatedly tantalize readers with the next promised exposé. Biographical information suggests that people who worked with Clift always “knew” in exact proportion to what they wanted to know. Fans likewise. Everyone minimized the complexity of Clift’s emotional relationships — with men, older women, young women — in order to maintain the image of the actor that appealed to them most.
Q: A recent article in Newsweek suggests audiences can’t accept gay actors as romantic leading men when we know the truth about their real-life sexuality and uses Rock Hudson as an example. How do you think this applies to Clift, who had such intense chemistry on-screen with Elizabeth Taylor and other actresses?
A: When audiences think they know something about an actor’s personal sexuality it becomes available as a touchstone to spectators watching a performance but is never mandatory. People judging a performance often appreciate it most the more it varies from what we think we know about the performer — casting against type, nice people playing psychos, beautiful actresses playing ugly. If we think of Clift as an actor, then his persuasiveness as a romantic lead opposite Taylor, Olivia de Havilland, or Jennifer Jones increases our appreciation of his skill as he seems to become inseparable from the role.
Another issue is history itself. As new generations are introduced to Clift and Hudson, they often react to the performers without knowing any biographical information about them. They are also less invested in “the truth” than those who experienced a change in their perception through revelations and the exposure of secrets. The freer sexuality of Brando or Dean, for instance, has not come to dominate their images.
Q: How do you think Clift would have fared personally and professionally if he began his career today, with the intrusion of the Internet and paparazzi?
A: The intrusion of the media today is offset by the openness of some gay performers — though not romantic leading men just yet. As Tom Cruise’s career shows, it is possible to withstand rumors and media speculation if you have the power and the will to do so. Because Clift was never as closeted as Rock Hudson, I don’t believe he would fight terribly hard to maintain the illusion of offscreen heterosexuality. He might be more likely to take a Keanu Reeves approach, where the actor neither courts nor tries to dispel the fantasies of any fan. In several roles in the severely repressive 1950s he even courted audiences to read his characters — and maybe himself — as gay in the casually flirtatious scenes in Red River, the rejection of heterosexual relationships in I Confess, Suddenly, Last Summer, and Freud, the material on gay Army life that acts as a subtext throughout From Here to Eternity, and the relationship with Frank Sinatra’s character in the film.
Source: Advocate, The Most Beautiful Man in Film
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«Oldest ‹Older 1201 – 1400 of 3267 Newer› Newest»I see! Bad comments are made by intelligent people and good LAOD comments by horny men or unsophisticated kids. Makes sense! I'm sure you're right! Anyone can see that!
Are you going to say that when Ebert and other well-respected critics say the same thing?
Ebert and other well-respected critics are capable of saying something coherent about the movie - big difference.
And Suzanne on Twitter wasn't coherent? She sounded pretty coherent to me. Just because you don't like what she has to say doesn't mean she's not coherent.
She wasn't.
Sep 22 2010
Just saw this movie last night, and I don't think it has Oscar potential. Maybe the only shot would be Anne Hathaway for Best Actress but even that would be a huge stretch given the current competition. With corny lines like "This is Kai, She's Thai and I'm Thai-curious," there's no way it's getting a writing nod. Direction was nothing special either. You might see a Golden Globe nod for Hathaway, possibly Gyllenhaal and maybe even a Best Picture nod but again, that's a stretch.
It's not a bad movie, it's just a movie that doesn't quite know if it wants to be a comedy or a drama. It's laugh out loud funny most of the time, but seems a bit bogged down by it's heavy Parkinson's storyline. I think the film may have worked better if it wasn't as funny as it is. Hathaway does stick out as a possible acting contender. I don't think she will win anything major but I did enjoy watching her.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758752/board/thread/168991069?d=171080046&p=1#171080046
I always saw it as a bad sign that the movie wasn't picked for any of the important festivals like TIFF.
Sep 22 2010
I saw this last night at an advanced screening in DC and I wouldn't say it was a terrible film. However, the nudity and sex scenes are a bit excessive. At one point I remember thinking, "Really? Again with the sex? Really?" I don't mind nudity and sex in film as long as it seems important to the story in some way. If it's important for the characters to have sex or be naked then sure, but there was so much sex and nudity in this movie it actually distracted from the story.
I think the movie is pretty funny though, but really not what I expected going in. Seems like it had a hard time distinguishing between romantic comedy and moving drama and I don't think it really did either genre justice. The subject matter just seems a bit heavy for a rom-com, and with so much comedy the intense drama scenes feel out of place, even though they are brilliantly acted by Anne Hathaway, especially the scenes where she runs out of pills and the aftermath of that. But even those scenes feel a bit awkward to watch after some the purely comic gags.
All in all, it was an OK film but I think it would have been better if it was LESS funny. Maybe then the comedy and drama could have meshed together better or maybe flowed in and out of each other better. It wouldn't have felt like slamming on brakes every time something serious happened. That and a less sex.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758752/board/thread/169218035?d=171079476&p=1#171079476
If LAOD gets at least mixed reviews, Hathaway has a chance of getting a GG nomination for best supporting actress.
marcsparx: RT @harrisonmax: Jake gyllenhall sitting next to me (@ Momofuku Milk Bar w/ 3 others) http://4sq.com/4kYEt8
about 13 hours ago
itsmesahana: I saw Jake Gyllenhal tonight at a gallery opening. Almost confused him for a hobo. He was carrying a garbage bag w his belongings.
about 13 hours ago
^^LOL
menoxmusic: @NewYorkerFest @NewYorker Celeb events/interviews: Common, Mark Ruffalo, Patricia Clarkson, Regina Spektor, Jake Gyllenhaal, Pee-wee Herman.
25 minutes ago
I wonder if Jake thinks he's less recognizable with the hobo beard.
He is less attractive -> people pay less attention -> he's less recognizable with the hobo beard :)
He is less attractive -> people pay less attention -> he's less recognizable with the hobo beard :)
Good point :) Who knows how many more tweets/sightings there would've been w/o the scruff.
Ooops. I peed in the pool. http://twitpic.com/2r897f
about 24 hours ago via Twitpic
Chickens don't have fingers.
about 17 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
New idea of awesomeness. Take your water bottle to restaurants and have them fill it. Less trash to go in the landfill.
about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Who knows how many more tweets/sightings there would've been w/o the scruff.
What happened to NYC paparazzi? Out of work?
Austin said...
LOL. Jesus, this guy is an idiot.
From Deadline/Nikki Finke
"LOVE AND OTHER DRUGS (Twentieth Century Fox - 11/24) This rare adult comedy from a major studio centers around a womanizing pharmaceutical salesman who falls hard for a free-spirited girl with early onset of Parkinsons disease. Director Ed Zwick delivers sex, drugs, nudity, and smart dialogue in a film that will do for Viagra what Social Network does for Facebook. Oscar Chance: A winning Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway in career-best performances should be high on any list. And the film is sophisticated and different enough to become a strong possibility in Best Picture and Adapted Screenplay, too."
From Punchdrunkcritics:
http://www.punchdrunkcritics.com/2010/09/we-sit-down-and-chat-with-love-and.html
"Let me just get this out of the way, the movie is phenomenal, and while I can't share all the details with you just yet, take my word for it, this is one to look out for."
Nikki Finke is neither a horny man nor an unsophisticated kid -but some people obviously want to see Jake fail.
BTW - Fox did not submit LAOD for TIFF or other Venice - opening at AFI some weeks before the film is released is a smart PR move.
Awwwww :)
Let me just get this out of the way, the movie is phenomenal, and while I can't share all the details with you just yet, take my word for it, this is one to look out for.
What else would they say after the director gave them an exclusive interview? ;)
It's Pete Hammond who wrote that post in Nikki Finke's blog about Oscar Contenders Part II, which were not screened in Venice, Telluride and Toronto. Pete did not see LAOD either or any of the other films he's writing about (not yet--except for The Social Network)--he is simply summing up their Oscar chances based on CURRENT buzz.
Personally, I suspect the film is slightly better than Suzanne Day's opinion--but not much. I bet Anne is the best thing in the movie and that it is indeed mediocre (not great and not good either).
Pete Hammond's opinion wouldn't mean much either. He's a lousy critic.
I think he's a better correspondent rather than critic. But he didn't see LAOD or any of those other movies he discusses in his post. He's going by current rumors/buzz...
He's not a great correspondent either if he calls Jake's and Anne's performances "career-best". I highly doubt it. Where does the buzz for Jake come from? All we heard about is Anne. Don't get me wrong, I really want LAOD to be well received and Jake to have a hit again but Pete Hammond has a habit of going overboard with the praise.
The film was shown to critics - accordfing to Kecin McCarthy
DPPJ it was for interviews for Edward Zwick...studio made us watch it before talking to him tomorrow
4:27 AM Sep 23rd via twidroid als Antwort auf DPPJ
Just saw LOVE AND OTHER DRUGS starring Jake Gyllenhall and Anne Hatheway...Hatheway is now my number one seed...wow...
Hammonds reviews are counting on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic...but I see - Pete Hammond is a lousy critic but Mrs Dey is reliable? Please give me a break...
I'm sure Anne did a great job, she looked really good in the 2nd trailer, but not sure if the movie is as great. There are too many mixed opinions about it from people who've seen it.
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All these screenings and not one reliable critic got to see LAOD and write a review? What's the point to get it screened a billion times then? People's opinions about it vary from phenomenal to terrible, I think we should wait for a few official reviews first.
In a month or so, we'll get the official reviews.
We will get "official" reviews when the film premiers at AFI.
People's opinions about it vary from phenomenal to terrible, I think we should wait for a few official reviews first.
I have a better idea, why don't you see it for yourself and then decide if it's good or bad. Novel idea, eh?
Pffft. Why would we want to think for ourselves, we like to be told what to think.
I have a better idea, why don't you see it for yourself and then decide if it's good or bad.
No one is deciding anything, we are discussing, speculating and fighting.
I have a better idea, why don't you see it for yourself and then decide if it's good or bad.
See it where?
Kate: Last night, our very own BBMISwear was able to attend an early screening of the film in Boston - also there was Edward Zwick, the director. Lisa has written a non-spoilery report of her evening for us. And so.... let us transport ourselves to a full Boston theatre, humming with the excitement of the prospect of seeing Love and Other Drugs...
WDW
^^^ Movie reviews from die hard fans are useless :)
Yup. Too much bias. ;)
Um, I have no opinion on LAOD yet, and I haven't been a part of this discussion, but isn't "BBMISwear" the Lisa of "Ted and Lisa" who bought that lunch with Jake through the ACLU donation and then they (Ted) posted that long journal entry about it?
^^Really it's the same girl/woman?
I wonder how much of the Ted and Lisa lunch story is true. I read it only one time but I thought much of it sounded embellished/made up. I don't know about Ted but Lisa sure sounds like a crazed Jake fan. I wouldn't put it past her to make things up.
Same name, same fandom ... could be.
^^I see.
No "could be", it IS the same Lisa.
She is obviously a die hard fan. ;)
I bet Ted and Lisa lied about asking Jake if he attended Heath's memorial. I don't think they had the guts to ask Jake a question like that.
^^IA.
4:55 PM and 4:59 PM, what kind of people are you? In your world people publish lies about dead people without thinking twice?
I don't think theyasked him either. They went armed with a lsit of questions from other brokies to ask and that was one of them but I doubt they askked.
The lunch was in late April but they didn't post about it until June or April which I thought was odd.
They both write fanfic and their report sounded like fanfic to me.
I think they lied to help the fading BBM online fandom which they are a part of
I don't think they lied about asking Jake. But the recounting of the lunch was so detailed that it can't be word-for-word accurate. Unless Ted had a tape recorder or something (which I'm sure wasn't allowed) - there's no way they could remember every word and every gesture. Lisa is not an objective viewer of LAOD but so what? It's not like she is going to determine the box office or who gets nominated. Everyone will get the opportunity to see the movie and judge for themselves.
I don't think they had the guts to ask Jake a question like that.
We all wanted to know. They had a chance and asked, it's not like they met Jake on the street and asked him about Heath.
In your world people publish lies about dead people without thinking twice?
Publish, where, on a locked journal entry that only Jake/BBM fans got to read?
They are fans of Jake, not of Heath. Regardless, it didn't hurt Heath but it helped calm things down in the BBM fandom. A lot of Brokies were upset Jake didn't attend Heath's memorial, Ted&Lisa's story made them happy again. Problem solved.
In your world people publish lies about dead people without thinking twice?
Publish, where, on a locked journal entry that only Jake/BBM fans got to read?
They are fans of Jake, not of Heath. Regardless, it didn't hurt Heath but it helped calm things down in the BBM fandom. A lot of Brokies were upset Jake didn't attend Heath's memorial, Ted&Lisa's story made them happy again. Problem solved.
If they didn't like about asking then Jake lied about attending.
lie
If Jake didn't attend he probably had his good reason(s). Let's not judge w/o knowing facts.
They are fans of Jake, not of Heath.
How nice of you to presume that Ted&Lisa could lack basic human decency and would make up shit about Jake and his dead friend just to make their report more interesting.
We all wanted to know. They had a chance and asked, it's not like they met Jake on the street and asked him about Heath.
Did you see Jake's face when Nate Berkus asked him about Heath a question that wasn't even personal? I don't buy that two fans/strangers had the nerve to ask Jake something that private.
They were in private with Jake, talking and eating lunch, no cameras, no public.
They are fans of Jake, not of Heath.
They are BBMt fans, that makes them Heath fans, too.
How chummy! Surely Jake told these strangers his life story, too, I mean there were no cameras and they were eating lunch. Duh!
Jake knew well in advance he was having lunch with two Brokies who had paid a lot of money to be able to do so. I'm sure he was prepared. He's not a novice.
Delicious Adam Levine, Maroon 5 frontman and recent Jake Gyllenhaal party pal, sat down with Out magazine, and while chatting about his music and hunky looks, he took a time out to clear up some absurd rumors about Jakey G.
"Will everyone stop thinking that dude is gay? Seriously guys. How immature is it of the media to perceive this guy—it has to be because of Brokeback, right?"
Well, that or...
Sexy bike shorts? Just kidding!
"He's one of my oldest friends, and it's very weird that they have this—it's very immature and infantile the way they treat his whole situation," Levine tells Out about the media.
"If him hanging out with his bros means he's gay, it's like further perpetuating that weird homophobia that exists in our culture, which is just stupid. So, yeah, he's my buddy. I f--kin' love the guy."
Can't argue that Adam has a point there.
Perhaps if J.G. took a cue from Adam and hit the town, rather than opt for a steaming cup o' brew people wouldn't goss! Then again, why should he pretend to be a guy constantly on the prowl when he's not?
"I've also been perceived as a womanizing whoremonger or whatever, some sort of weird dude," Levine also told the magazine. "That's just weird. I'm young, successful. I've been having fun and hooking up with girls. It's like, Leave me alone. What, do you not want me to do that?"
Here, here boyfriend! And for the record, we think your sexy looks help, not hurt the band (another issue he talked about in the mag).
So does Mr. Levine, notorious for wooing the ladies (and a good one at that we hear, kudos Adam!), quasi-bashing the Jake gay rumors nix him as Crotch-Uh-Lastic, Parrish Maguire, Seymour Plow-Me-More or any other closeted B.V. in your guys' minds?
http://au.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b202306_adam_levine_stop_thinking_jake.html
Jake played those two suckers, the rest they made up.
They are BBMt fans, that makes them Heath fans, too.
Good God. Are you at all familiar with the BBM fandom?
I can't believe anyone with half a brain would believe that lunch report bs. 90% of it was fanfic!
The lunch report may be bs, but I hope audiences will agree with her LAOD praise. We'll see.
5:48 PM - you were there?
No, but I own a fully functional bs detector.
Good God. Are you at all familiar with the BBM fandom?
I know what you mean, but don't let a couple of weird Jake obsessives destroy your fun within the fandom. I don't know Jake personally, but I know what I saw with my eyes and these guys liked each other SO much. And if Jake didn't attend any of the memorials, then he most likely had a very good reason for it.
And if Jake didn't attend any of the memorials, then he most likely had a very good reason for it.
ITA. I don't know why some posters can't even consider this possibility.
I can't believe anyone with half a brain would believe that lunch report bs. 90% of it was fanfic!
Not even a nice try, do try again!
There was another fan from the DC forum who won an ACLU lunch with Jake a few months after Ted&Lisa and her account sounded A LOT more believable than Ted&Lisa's 60+ pages.
we are discussing, speculating and fighting.
Uh oh somehow Jackie married us all to each other.
More believable because you are jealous of Ted&Lisa.
Why would I be jealous? I don't want to meet Jake.
quasi-bashing the Jake gay rumors nix him as Crotch-Uh-Lastic, Parrish Maguire, Seymour Plow-Me-More or any other closeted B.V. in your guys' minds?
LOL how Ted doesn't list Toothy Tile.
Toothy Tile: conspicuously absent
No one is jealous of Red and Lisa and their fan fic.
The DC account of UCLA lunch @ sounded more believeable.
Ted & Lisa has a stake in the BBM fandom, Heath died and the brokies were pissed at Jake.
Ted and Lisa made it "better".
The DC account of UCLA lunch @ sounded more believeable.
Why? Because Jake was a bad guy?
No one is jealous of Red and Lisa and their fan fic.
Fan fic and you are not jealous? Sorry, you are so transparent.
Huh? What is there to be jealous of?
They both write fanfic and their report sounded like fanfic to me.
Ted and Lisa (especially Ted) had no doubts that Jake is gay after meeting and talking to him. You sound exactly like a Babbler; saying their account is false and so it follows that their findings that Jake is gay is a lie too, that it must be what they wished him to be.
Their account read like some of their fanfic, that's why it took them so long to write about it.
From late April to late June? Really? Why 2 months to write about an hour lunch? I don't think either was working at the time.
They didn't ask him about the memorial, no way. They were asked to by other brokies but they punked out.
Huh? What is there to be jealous of?
Having a great time with Jake in private.
Why DC account of UCLA lunch @ sounded more believable?
6:44 PM - you really enjoy posting fiction.
Not talking about Ted's gaydar 6:42, i'm talking about the lie that they asked him about Hetah's memorial, that was a lie. The rest most likely embellished for entertainment since so many brokies were furious with Jake.
Stop defending them, they have done more harm to what's left of the BBM fans by posting that particular piece of BS.
Having a great time with Jake in private.
What, you think this was about fun for Jake? It was work. No, thanks.
Hi Ted and Lisa at 6:46! How's "retirement" going, LOL!
Back in Boston Ted or atr you in Montreal?
Lisa! How's tricks>>>
LOL.
Stop defending them, they have done more harm to what's left of the BBM fans by posting that particular piece of BS.
I will defend Ted & Lisa because your lies and made up shit is too silly for words.
No way they asked about attending Heath's memorial. They made it up because they knew the BBM fans were desperate to hear Jake was there.
Of course they asked, there was no reason not to ask and there was no reason to make anything up.
Fuck-off you hypocrite.
I was in the UK in 2008 for a brokie get together , Ted was there and it was shortly after the lunch. When asked if he asked Jake about the memorial, one of the questions we asked them to forward to him he said they didn't ask him.
Heath did come up he said when talking about the movie and Jake was sad and that made them NOT ask him.
No wonder it took them so long to post their story, they made it up to please the brokies.
They fucking lied, period.
Oh God..
7:00 PM, Oh God..
7:02 PM #1 - what is the point of your fiction about Ted & Lisa? Who are you trying to fool?
7:00 PM, Oh God..
Sorry, no one is buying "no way they asked about attending Heath's memorial", everyone here is older than 14.
there was no reason not to ask and there was no reason to make anything up.
How about it was none of their fucking business, they were strangers that didn't know Jake or Heath, Heath who was Jake's friend died barely two months before, Jake didn't owe them an explanation etc.? Common sense ring a bell?
The average age of posters here is50 with the mentality of a 12 year old.
Lot's of brokies at the time didn't buy the BS about them asking Jake about the memorial because most believed they didn't including me.
So they wasted their time with the lie because the online BBM fandom is pretty much kaput
7:02 PM #1 - what is the point of your fiction about Ted & Lisa? Who are you trying to fool?
One more thing - why did you need 2,5 YEARS to come up with "I was in the UK in 2008 for a brokie get together" "story"? Ted & Lisa were much faster, lol!
It's a no brain Ted&Lisa lied about the memorial question. You must be dumber than dirt to believe that one.
7:12 PM, You must be dumber than dirt if you think that anyone will buy your made up shit about Ted&Lisa.
7:12 PM - answer the question, why did you need 2,5 YEARS to come up with "no way they asked about attending Heath's memorial" nonsense"?
I didn't mention the brokie get together because at the time i was involved in the BBM fsndom and didn't want to embarass others that were there and they are still active and have Jake blogs.
They knew they lied when they finally came around to posting there story, but since they post here and at Dc and were silent, i remained so until it was brought up again here today.
I don't post here all the time so I suspect i missed the other times the lie was brought up,
It's Ted and Lisa that made up shit and some gullible brokies fell for it
7:00, no reason not to ask?! You do realize Jake is a human being with feelings like you and me? Just because he's a celebrity it doesn't mean you have any right to ask private questions about THEIR DEAD friend and how or if he paid his respects to him. You are a fan, he doesn't owe you anything.
Ted and Lisa are real people, people with names and faces and I have no reason to doubt them.
7:23 PM - there is nothing wrong or too private about that question asked in private, nothing at all.
Yeah, Ted and Lisa are real people obsessed with BBM and more concerened about their dwindling readers for their fanfic.
Why shouldn't they lie? It's not like their account made it to the mainstream, they made sure of that, LOL!!!!
Jake didn't attend any memorial for Heath, and thts his business, get over it granny
7:31 PM - you are making a fool of yourself.
Jake didn't attend any memorial for Heath
Yes, he did and you can't do anything about it.
7:28 PM, question asked in private and spread on the internet afterwards? Put yourself in Jake's shoes for a minute and you'll see just how many things are wrong with it. If you still don't, you're creepy, and for Jake's sake I hope you never meet him.
7:31 PM - we do get it, you are just trying a new tactic for old "Jake didn't attend any memorial for Heath" crap.
I would like to see the proof that Jake attended Heath's memorial since you're so certain about it.
7:35 PM - you really love to play stupid!
We have read the report, there was NO private information, NO private questions and NO private answers. There was NOTHING wrong or inappropriate with any part of the report - and I know that you know that.
There is no proof, just tweedle dee and tweedle dums BS fsnfic
No proof because he wasn't there.
I would like to see the proof that Jake attended Heath's memorial since you're so certain about it.
Sorry, memorials aren't TV shows.
No proof because he wasn't there.
Why do you care about Jake attending Heath's memorials? What are you trying to prove?
Nothing, it's Jake's business but I think it vile that those 2 assholes lied about something like that
Sorry, memorials aren't TV shows.
Close, but no cigar. Many celebrities who were not Heath's baby godfather who everyone wanted to know about were either snapped or reported to have attended Heath's memorial. Try again.
7:49 PM - Ted and Lisa didn't lie about anything, you are the one with the agenda, lying and making shit up.
7:50 PM - there were private memorials too. But you don't care about memorials or the truth, you just care about pretending that Jake and Heath were just colleagues.
Yes they did 7:55. I was in the UK with Ted in 2008 and he said they didn't, were you there?
You are the one with the agenda keeping the lie alive.
Theresa was right.
Go back to Dc or some other BBM forum
You are the one with the agenda keeping the lie alive.
Which lie is that?
The lie that they asked him about the memorial asshole, they didn't and then lied about it in their account to appease the brokies.
I bet they believe the lie themselves.
Theresa was right, she had no agenda, they do.
7:50 PM - there were private memorials too.
There was only one and no word of Jake being there. Why is it that the media informed the public on others, including Heath's ex Naomi Watts, being there but not Jake? Everyone wanted to know about him, not Watts.
Theresa was right, she had no agenda, they do.
Theresa knows from Heath's close friend Nicola Pecorini.
The lie that they asked him about the memorial
Nah, you are the liar. Sorry, your spin doesn't work.
Nah, he wasn't there, they lied.
I believe Theresa over them.
Theresa knows nothing, she wasn't anywhere near memorials, she never talked to Jake.
She knows more than you and Ted&Lisa, that's for sure.
Knows what? She's just a fan, like Ted&Lisa.
Theresa knew Heath personally, knows his friends, worked with them to distribute Parnassus, lives in Hollywood and has no reason to lie. You'll find Ted&Lisa at the opposite end of the spectrum.
Why is it that the media informed the public on others, including Heath's ex Naomi Watts, being there but not Jake?
Private memorials were private, media didn't report about them so we do not know who was there.
Theresa knew Heath personally, knows his friends, worked with them to distribute Parnassus, lives in Hollywood and has no reason to lie.
Ted & Lisa have no reason to lie either - and they talked to Jake.
She was more than a fan. When she started Heathcentral I believe her daughter who acts knew Heath. He even contributed to her site at one point and met him person seceral times.
She lives in HW and is a producer, and what is Ted and Lisa's claim?
Brokies that live in Boston and write fanfic.
She has no reason to lie about Jake not being there , she likes him based on stuff she used to post on her site and DC
Both Ted and Lisa are fucking liars
No contest
Theresa talked to Jake too, several times. She also was around people that went to the memorial and they said that they didn't see him at ANY service.
Ted and Lisa had lunch with jake for ine hour on set that they paid forincluding airfare. He knew they were brokies before they showed up.
They lied, he was a no show at both memorials
She has no reason to lie about Jake not being there
Theresa has no idea if Jake was there or not - because she for sure wasn't there.
The liars are Ted&Lisa, that much is clear.
8:48 PM, you are the liar, not Ted&Lisa.
Wow, it's amazing how someone here hates Ted&Lisa, lol.
Wow, it's amazing how someone here hates Ted&Lisa, lol.
8:46 PM - do you hate Lisa because she's friends with WDW Kate?
Jake must have had a good reason for not attending any memorial service for Heath, at least I hope so.
Wow, what a bunch of delousinal freaks. I thought that it was common knowledge in the fandom that they lied.
Wow, it's amazing how many people here that hates Theresa. Why? She loved and afmired him and ran a wonderful site, I still miss it.
The only person I associate Lisa with is Ted, I don't read the WDW blog. I know about it from Dc when she used to post there but I dpn't anymore.
Wow, it's amazing how many people here that hates Theresa.
What are you talking about? Who said anything bad about Teresa? Well?
The only person I associate Lisa with is Ted, I don't read the WDW blog.
You don't need to read WDW, all you need is posted here few hours ago.
I thought that it was common knowledge in the fandom that they lied.
Please post links about those "lies" and "common knowledge in the fandom".
I thought that it was common knowledge in the fandom that they lied.
Lied about what?
LOL how Ted doesn't list Toothy Tile.
ikr? I'm not always a fan of Ted's, but I have to give him credit when it's due - he slapped Adam Levine around pretty good with that post, lol. He really did make Adam look like he was worried about being known as being friends with some gay guy - because, you know, Adam has a rep to protect! I thought this line was great about Jake: Then again, why should he pretend to be a guy constantly on the prowl when he's not? Touche, Ted.
9:14/9:15, what the fuck are you foaming at the mouth about? Mad because your online buddies got caught in a lie?
Fuck off 9:22, touche my ass, how many e-mails did you send ted to write that lame-aas post? You must have some e-mail folder saved with Uncle teddys and his interns e-mails that you "threatned" him with when ou want attention.
I don't know why he others, catering to the few loons is embarrasing but not illegal.
No one outside of what's left of Jake's online fandom gives afuck what Levine said on some oline mag.
Ohhh, he didn't mention TT, my clit is twitching, LOL!
Why can’t you accept the possibility that there’s no word of Jake at Heath’s memorials because he simply didn’t attend either one? David Spade didn’t attend Chris Farley’s memorial either and they worked together in several movies and on SNL.
9:33 PM - Did you read 9:14/9:15??? Asking for links is "foaming at the mouth" and "mad"? You are crazy.
You must be fucking retarded 9:16.
Ted and Lisa LIED about asking Jake about attending Heaths memorial at that luncheon they won at action for ACLU back in April 2008 on the set of Nailed, remember?
They took 2 month to write their fsnfic but right after the lunch Ted was in the UK for a brokie get together and he said that they didn't ask him at all.
So they lied, the account on their LJ, the part about them asking him never happened, they lied.
Is that clear enough for you sparky????
Mad because your online buddies got caught in a lie?
No one is caught in a lie except you.
9:38 PM - now they lied JUST about "asking Jake about attending Heaths memorial", the rest of their report is true?
I can't believe anyone with half a brain would believe that lunch report bs. 90% of it was fanfic!
Trolly should make up his mind about Ted and Lisa "lies"!
Hi Lisa! Trying to clean up your mess??? Hows tricks sweetie???
I can go to a certain blog and dig up the post about the brokie get together in 2008 after the lunch and the mention of Ted and others there.
The comments were clearly about the lunch and excited commenters were waiting to hear all about his lunch and if he asked all of the questions forwarded.
He didn't post on the blog but he said in front of me and others there that he couldn't/didn't ask him.
It was a shock 2 months later, the story changed
What a fucking grungy liar
They lied about asking him about the memorial don't play dumb trolly although with you that's not hard.
Fucking white trash liars
He didn't post on the blog but he said in front of me and others there that he couldn't/didn't ask him.
We should believe you????????????????
I bet even Heath's fans weren't as hell bent on proving Jake was at Heath's memorial as the one poster who keeps defending Ted&Lisa. What's it to you if they lied or not? Are you Ted or Lisa?
They lied about asking him about the memorial
Ted and Lisa didn't lie. You are lying and writing fiction.
What's it to you if they lied or not? Are you Ted or Lisa?
No, I just don't like trolls who make up things and spread lies about other people for fun.
Not everyone who doesn't believe Ted&Lisa is a troll.
Time to take your meds and go to bed Ted and Lisa, everyone knows you both lied back then.
Theresa said he didn't and she would know.
No need for her to write FF 2 months later for a bunch of nutty "fans"
Trolly, your made up bullshit doesn't work and your meds obviously don't work either.
Not everyone who doesn't believe Ted&Lisa is a troll.
True, but these posts are from someone with a agenda, someone who can't stand Lisa and can't stand the idea of Jake and Heath being close friends.
someone who can't stand Lisa and can't stand the idea of Jake and Heath being close friends.
Someone indeed has a problem with Lisa, I don't see what it has to do with Jake and Heath being close friends or not, though. It looks like Jake was not at Heath's memorial service but that doesn't mean he didn't care about Heath. Maybe he didn't want to go and cry in front of others, maybe he could stand the thought of seeing Heath lifeless in a box, maybe something else. Who know. To stubbornly insist he was there when it's apparent he wasn't is just silly IMO.
Could be wrong, but someone has a problem with Lisa + that someone has a problem only with question about memorials = that someone has a problem with Jake & Heath.
^^couldn't, knows
Personally, it isn’t my business if he went or not. Maybe it was too painful to go. Maybe he didn’t want to be around the fake mourners at the big LA one. Maybe he went and left earlier because it hurt too much. Maybe he got drunk and they hid him until he sobered up.
I think the Reeke photos, after HL’s death, of them hiking and then in NYC were all Reese. Jake looked sad and medicated. I know the medicated look, he had it. I don’t think he gave a crap anything at that moment and let her lead him around.
I appreciate that he tries to keep most things out of public view. With Reese out of the picture, he has been very private. Let the man be.
The thing is Jake has always tried to not be insulting to gays.
He has said he has known gay people ever since he was a kid and they're just people to him.
Also think for some they want him to be Jack and won't forgive him for not being that character.
They're even more angry when he has girlfriends.
They live in that world and no matter how much the truth is shown to them they will not believe it.
A sad life i would say.
Girlfriends? Jake doesn't date women.
They live in that world and no matter how much the truth is shown to them they will not believe it.
What truth? Bearding? PR smoke and mirrors? Tabloid fiction?
A sad life i would say.
Ignoring the truth and pretending that Jake isn't gay brings fun to your life? lmao
I don't think Jake looked medicated, but he sure was sad. He and Heath famously played lovers in a classic movie. During the memorial many eyes would have been on him and speculation may have started. No need for that.
Re. Levine's comments. I bet Jake complained to him about the constant gay rumors, otherwise I don't think he'd have the liberty to speak what he did in "Out". He was probably like "Now uncle Adam will take care of Jakey's "problems"."
It Gets Better: Dan and Terry
The only thing Adam Levine accomplished was bringing more attention to the Jake is gay rumours. Well done!
During the memorial many eyes would have been on him and speculation may have started. No need for that.
Huh, what speculation? A lot of Heath's friends, acquaintances, people who had nothing to do with him were there. It was normal for Jake to be there, too, considering he is Matilda's godfather. BBM was just a movie. Why would anyone read more into it?
There were no cameras during the memorial, no press inside. You're saying Jake didn't go because he was afraid of what people would say?
I think yes. Mind you, jmo.
Then you should let the idea they were close friends go for good. If Jake cared more about what people might say than saying good-bye to Heath then that couldn't have possibly been real friendship.
It may have been something that Heath would have agreed with. They were both kinda paranoid about what people might think about them. That's the impression I got.
I'd cut off my right hand if one of the reasons for hooking up with Michelle on the set of BBM wasn't Heath being scared about gay rumors after the break up with Watts shortly before BBM shoot. He even talked in an interview how maybe Naomi will play Alma, but shortly after Michelle was cast and he and Watts broke it off.
As I've said, I think both were paranoid.
Heath genuinely loved women, dated a lot and didn't want to be a movie star - there was no reason for damage control, no reason to be scared about possible gay rumors.
Jake's gay rumors had nothing to do with BBM or Heath. Heath had no gay rumors. No one thought they were anything else than costars/ friends.
It may have been something that Heath would have agreed with.
What, not going to his memorial for PR reasons?
Yes, he genuinely loved women, but we can't rule out that he had some fun with men too from time to time.
Michelle was very convenient. I don't think he'd have hooked up with her otherwise.
Jake's gay rumors had nothing to do with BBM or Heath.
IA with that.
Heath had no gay rumors.
There were some bi rumors. But yes, Jake had a lot more gay/bi rumors to "deal with".
No one thought they were anything else than costars/ friends
Most probably didn't, but some did/do. And who knows how deep the gossipists would have dug for "dirty laundry" if Heath wasn't so conveniently dating his female co-star from that "gay cowboy" film. Please.
Reading how Heath explained that during the day he made out with Jake, but the night belonged to Michelle, made me go "hm".
Heath was no saint, neither is Jake.
I think we can agree that Heath had a hard time keeping his dick in his pants. If he had been into men, too, he would've hooked up with Jake, no question about it. I really don't think that's the case, IMO he was one of the very few genuinely straight men in Hollywood.
The thing is Jake has always tried to not be insulting to gays.
omg, do you have any idea at all how freaking homophobic, condescending, and stupid this sounds? "tried not be insulting" Why would anyone have to "try" not to be insulting? There is nothing wrong with being gay and anyone who truly believes that doesn't have to "try" to do anything. You don't realize how you give away you're true feelings, 6:33. It's like those people who always talk about how "tolerant" they are. There's nothing to "tolerate." There was a time when Jake spoke more openly, but he wasn't "trying not to be insulting." What's really sad is how much he has changed.
Nice post, 8:21AM. Good to see some calm reasoning and objectivity.
Bless you, Adam! You are indeed a good friend. IMO it's about time one of his friends publically took on the gay-mongers.
They live in that world and no matter how much the truth is shown to them they will not believe it.
A sad life i would say.
ITA. You know, life is hard enough under the best of circumstances, but when you cannot separate reality from fantasy..... well, that's a real handicap. I don't hate these "fans", I pity them. To me, they are pretty much the same people who believe the moon landing was a staged hoax..... or that the earth is flat. :)
You are indeed a good friend.
He is. Nice of him to lie about Jake's sexuality and help him stay in the closet.
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