Tuesday, 19 May 2009
Playing gay, being gay
24 November 2005
This well might be the Year of the Gay at the Oscars. Not the year of the gay actor - heavens forbid - but the year when actors are rewarded for playing gay parts. Philip Seymour Hoffman has produced what is said to be a virtuoso account of Truman Capote's mincing style in Capote. Felicity Huffman, the put-upon one in Desperate Housewives, has been persuaded to play a male-to-female transvestite in Transamerica. And Annie Proulx's great short story, Brokeback Mountain, about an extended and tragic love affair between two cowboys, has been filmed by Ang Lee with Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal in the leads.
Oscars surely await some of these. There are half a dozen other big name actors playing gay roles this season, and it's evidently now a safe career move. It's worth noting, however, that none of these actors themselves is gay, and indeed most of them have been at some pains to distance themselves from any such suggestion. Michelle Williams, the mother of Ledger's child, appears in Brokeback Mountain as his character's betrayed wife. That, one must assume, could only happen when there was no possibility whatever of it being, for instance, a sardonic joke on a real-life gay affair. The casting of Williams is a spectacular example of the sexual alibi; for anyone who cares to wonder, we are reassured that this could only be a piece of "let's pretend", and the actor's real interests are nervously displayed on screen.
As if that wasn't enough, the actors in these films are always at pains to stress the incredible trauma involved in having to pretend to kiss a person of the same sex in front of cameras. To be fair, this is always a subject that unhealthily obsesses interviewers, but actors' responses are often highly amusing. Jake Gyllenhaal has said: "Heath and I were both saying, 'Let's get the love scenes over as fast as we can - all right, cool. Let's get to the important stuff.'"
We are left in no doubt at all. The actors in these films are so extraordinarily heterosexual that playing gay presents them with incredible challenges. Personally, I've spent a day down a working coal mine, and think that, as jobs go, being asked to snog Heath Ledger is not among the world's more demanding professional tasks.
But Hollywood, evidently, agrees with the actors. When you look at recent Oscars, the tendency is fairly clear. Tom Hanks - famously uxorious - won for playing a gay man in Philadelphia. Hilary Swank's burlesque turn as a transsexual teen in Boys Don't Cry followed, and then Charlize Theron won for the fat, ugly, lesbian serial killer in Monster. Of course, as is customary, some of the Oscar-winning credit goes to the make-up artist here - golly, look at Charlize, she's made herself all ugly - but most of it is surely down to the incredible fact that an artist was prepared to demean herself enough to play a lesbian.
When you look at the history of Oscar-winning performances, Hollywood's new enthusiasm for embracing minorities seems less than profound. Notoriously, the easiest way to win an Oscar is to play somebody bravely fighting against a physical condition or a mental handicap. The easiest route of all, in fact, is to play a gifted artist suddenly struck down by disability - the early years of the Academy awards are littered with long-forgotten tales of deaf sopranos and ballerinas with gout. As the "Kate Winslet" character in Ricky Gervais's series Extras scabrously observed, "Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot? Oscar. Dustin Hoffman, Rain Man? Oscar. Seriously, you are guaranteed an Oscar if you play a mental."
The way Hollywood is rushing to reward heterosexual actors playing gay roles does not, really, reflect very well on its engagement. It is just too much like its fairly disgraceful engagement with mental and physical disability, and too much like rewarding a variety turn. Hollywood, so admiring of an actor's ability to project a sexuality not his own in these cases, has never been in a hurry to reward those far more common examples of gay actors convincingly playing heterosexual roles. In most cases, that involves rather more than the requirement of kissing this year's starlet in front of the cameras - a requirement no less or more demanding for a gay actor than Mr Gyllenhaal being asked to kiss Mr Ledger, surely. It may involve an actor's whole life.
One of the very striking things about this whole curious fashion is that not one of the actors involved is gay themselves. Moreover, it seems fairly likely, in view of the tone of the attendant publicity, that a studio just wouldn't cast a gay actor in one of these roles. It is quite impossible to imagine Heat magazine asking a gay actor how they enjoyed kissing their straight co-star, or indeed, their gay co-star. It would raise questions of enthusiasm which the world of publicity is not quite ready for and we can only, it seems, watch such kisses with the assurance, as swift as can be arranged, that nobody involved could possibly have derived pleasure from it.
But there's another, rather bigger reason why the studios wouldn't cast a gay actor in such a role. In America, evidently, there aren't any gay actors. One may grow rather satirical on the subject, but the truth is that whereas in every other country in the world it is widely accepted that theatre and film offer a congenial and sympathetic area in which gay men and women can work, this is simply not true in America. There are no gay actors - or at least, there weren't until Nathan Lane, to everyone's utter incredulity, came out. Of course, there were gay actors in America's past - James Dean, Cary Grant, Dirk Bogarde, Rock Hudson, Danny Kaye. Plenty of them, in fact. But, for whatever reason, there's hardly a single gay actor of recognisable stature working in Hollywood. An incredible fact.
Sooner or later, one of those non-existent gay actors will take a role as a gay character, and tell us all subsequently how difficult they found kissing their co-star, to general derisive hilarity. In fact, it's not hard to think of a recent film where exactly that situation arose, starring one of those gentlemen with a boyfriend on the payroll and a lady hired for the purpose of premieres. But Hollywood will only seem truly tolerant when it allows gay actors to play gay roles, kissing included, and no whining about it in the publicity afterwards. Until then there's - how should one put it - a slight air of Al Jolson about the whole business.
Source: Gay for today by Philip Hensher, The Guardian
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 1855 Newer› Newest»• Reese Witherspoon and Jake Gyllenhaal, having a mellow breakfast with friends at Lamill coffee boutique in L.A.'s trendy Silverlake neighborhood. After both ordering eggs, they were joined by another couple who brought their baby. "They were all very relaxed," says an onlooker. "There was a lot of laughter."
Yeah, right. lol
"There was a twitter sighting of Jake and Reese"
a twitter sighting? why everyone is on Twitter now. Maybe you
should try Francis.
6:05.. congrats for finding it, you win.. well,.... nothing
sorry
6:06.. wouldn't that be a laugh if it was Jake, Austin, baby tile, bt's nanny & Reese.
you could almost begin to like her if it was couldn't you. then again, maybe not.
I'll ask again those who don't believe Francis:
Do you believe Twitter and blogs Reeke sightings? Or do you have a problem only with Jake is gay blog posts?
"Do you believe Twitter and blogs Reeke sightings?"
No! the only difference between them and francis: they don't support the same team.
6:12.. let it go love, you're beginning to sound a bit tedious. If someone only believes twitter and reeke posting, let them, its not the end of the world either way.
Twitter sighting of Jake and Reese in Silverlake, the blogger does't say where in LA this happened but someone googled coffee tea cafes in the LA area with the description of the tea he drank or more likely googled Lamill from the people sighting and suggested that was the place.
I just remember the twitter sighting of them in Silvelake at another coffe tea cafe, Intellingesta, geez.
If you believe one source you have to believe the other or they are both BS.
I tend to ignore Reeke whatever the source. But Francis isn't exactly the holy grail of Toothy Tile proof, either.
Speaking of BS, what ever happened to Ian and toothy's TWO biographies?
"I'll ask again those who don't believe Francis:
Do you believe Twitter and blogs Reeke sightings? Or do you have a problem only with Jake is gay blog posts?"
I don't believe in Reeke sightings and have no problem with Jake is gay blog.
Nontheless I don't take that seriously.
"6:12.. let it go love, you're beginning to sound a bit tedious."
Sorry, I'm interested in trolls opinions :)
"If you believe one source you have to believe the other or they are both BS."
Not true. Blogger with a name and coherent blog is one thing, anonymous post or tabloid working for PR is something else.
6:20.. just remember, our favourite troll Jacky B is probably feeling very, very sensitive tonight since Terminator Salvation is bombing (relatively) at the box office. Be gentle with him, LOL!!
6:15: Francis is a writer in L.A. who ran into Jake twice in one week and posted about it, why would you compare it to TT gossip?
About two years ago, at the beggining of the Jake and Reese crap, April of 2007, there was a blogger description of Jake at Hugo's by someone, a gay man. He said that jake came in and ordered as usual but kept staring at a girl who was with some friends. He left w/o saying anything but a few minutes later the owner came over to the girl and handed her a cell phone and said that Jake wanted to talk to her. She took the call and said that he wanted to go on a date.
The blogger was confused on 2 fronts: He heard about the gay rumors and according to all rags, including People, he was dating Reese. This was Before he suppsedly broke off with her a few months later.
He didn't know what to make of it. If either of these stories are even remotely true, (eye roll) then Jake likes to maybe hook up with random men and women but uses friends, etc as a go between, like a pimp!!!
BTW: On twitter during the Laker game o Thursday, some chick who was at the game claimed she sat on jake's lap, true or not once it's out there , it's out there!
That gay slut! Jack/Jeff should be upset only about my bad box office.
"He left w/o saying anything but a few minutes later the owner came over to the girl and handed her a cell phone and said that Jake wanted to talk to her. She took the call and said that he wanted to go on a date."
Very believable! LMAO!
Didn't say it was believeable, but when I read that entry today, I was reminded of that blog description. The only difference was that it was a girl and she didn't seem to notice he was staring at her because she was too busy yacking to her friends. Also the blogger was observing it not "a part" of the encounter.
It was posted on Fanchitchat and first people thought it was a plant but that was dismissed because he already had the Reese thing going, didn't need to plant a blogger story about Jake picking up some random chick.
There are similarities in him usung a buffer if true.
6:27 PM
People keep forgeting that heterosexuals don't have to hide. /
Jake was and is free to date any girl or woman who would have him. But Jake didn't have public girlfriend for a very long time and then he started bearding.
"BTW: On twitter during the Laker game o Thursday, some chick who was at the game claimed she sat on jake's lap, true or not once it's out there , it's out there!"
If that's true, either the Francis and/or this story, Reese really is not lucky with the guys. Why doesn't she find and old, ugly guy like Michelle did. She'd fare better then with a young, cute bi (imo) slut.
Old, ugly, rich guys like pretty and nice women.
^^LOL, that's true. ;)
6:40: Just repeating a similar ((IMO) blog story, that's all,Simmer down.
Yeah, why is it when someone, an anon blogger, says Jake came onto him, people here don't believe it? Sure, its okay to have critical thinking and not fall for everything you hear or read, but (A)WFT's (and OMGodot) premise is built on Jake is bi/gay, (B)Jake doing bearding is common knowledge around here, (C)Personal accounts like the blogger's are few and far between and extremely rare that it would be publicized.
I for one believe the blogger. Some things to remember: If he was gay chances are good he would have gone for being with Jake but then he would have to sign a confidentiality agreement, and not be able to spill the beans. However if was gay but didn't go for it (because he's in a monogamous relationship), most likely he would have felt obligated to keep the story quiet amongst his gay circle of friends, especially in LA where its a small world, and probably for the biggest reason, to leave that hookup-with-a-gorgeous-actor door of opportunity open. To spill what he spilled on the web is cutting off any future potential, it's pretty much a permanently closed case. The guy was nice and he laid out the rules: he's straight and not interested, and he has nothing invested and he has nothing to lose by telling what happened. (Btw Jake was lucky the blogger wasn't an angry or spiteful straight guy, it could have been a close call, in PR repair or a costly $$$ payout)
We should be celebrating that the blogger JG Francis had the balls to write about it. How often does that happen? I mean come on, Jake gay/bi, bearding, living in LA where half of who he knows is gay, confidentiality agreements at the ready..you KNOW stuff is going on, it's just that no one is saying. Truth is, it's all been a matter of time before the odds were up. And finally someone had the balls to say that yes, Jake is a participating player in the game.
6:48 PM: Just pointing out the obvious hole in the "Jake likes girls" blog story.
Don’t tell me you still think Austin is his one and only, true love, yadda yadda. lol, no, a fuckbuddy more like it. /
I'm sure this was not written by a guy. Babbler? Female Austin hater? Any type of JIS fangirl? Jack???Gay men can have long-time stable partners and still be shopping around. I'm not saying all the time but they do it more often than hets with full knowledge of their SO. So claiming that logically if Jake fools around he and Austin "are just fuckbuddies!!!" is just laughable.
That Francis guy post may be true. I can picture him all excited about posting something that involved a celebrity, later realizing this could draw the fire of publicists and finally quickly adding that well-known standard disclaimer as some kind of "legal" protection. /
Do you guys remember that girl from Martha Vineyard who knew Jake very well and who posted that she could "read Jake Gyllenhaal like a book"? She quickly took down her post too. Sometimes people are quick to post what happens to them in RL only to be reminded by other people (friends, family) that their online writings may have unpleasant consequences.
"Do you guys remember that girl from Martha Vineyard who knew Jake very well and who posted that she could "read Jake Gyllenhaal like a book"?"
No, what did she say?
Nothing.She just said that she could read Jake like a book and it was deleted.
Citizens of MV don't appreciate that kind of thing.
"He said that jake came in and ordered as usual but kept staring at a girl who was with some friends.......She took the call and said that he wanted to go on a date."
Was she really skinny and have a long neck and was she gulping beer out of a bottle? Maybe that's why Jake was staring, he was shopping around to find a female that he could possibly have an orgasm with and she ended up being the Gag Me With Cocaine Blind Vice girl, the one that got brutally gagging throatfucked in very painfully unnatural and not exactly enjoyable interesting positions for a painfully long time because he was so numbed out (and gay, besides) that he couldn't come. The sighting fits the BV timeline perfectly, if it's true that's when Jake was shopping around to see if he could manage occasional sex with females, enough for "Jake is straight" PR dating talk to circulate the tabloids and discard the bearding plan (but alas, he couldn't do it and the permanent bearding had to be implemented). And imagine, that Gag BV is just one out of how many that happened, one out of how many that didn't say anything, or got paid off.
"She just said that she could read Jake like a book and it was deleted."
Jake must be a very dirty book :)
My Jake book for guys comes in braille!
Very good point 6:50.
I find it funny that the people who swear Jake is gay would have such issues with this blogger's account. And the people who were trying to interrogate him? WTF?
Despite what 7:01 asserts, it appears that the people who believe the Jaustin fairy tale are the ones having the most issues with this story. Why try to deny this evidence of Jake's sexual proclivities unless it's reveal is a threat? Evidence that the "Great Love Story" is a delusion. Doesn't exist, and possibly never did.
I don't understand what the big deal is. So Jake fucks around. So what?
9:41, I agree. What's the big deal? At least we know for sure (I think Francis is telling the truth) Jake likes guys. Has anyone seen/found a photo of Francis yet? I wonder what he looks like.
9:39 What part of anyone can write a blog post about hooking up (or rather NOT hooking up) with Jake do you not understand? It's even more of a fantasy than the so-called "great love story" you disparage, and this fantasy doesn't even have photo to substantiate it.
I don't know why you keep insisting that Jaustin fans have problems with this blogger story or similar things
I'm a Jaustin fan and I believe the story; I think J&A have the kind of relationship I see in a lot of the gay men I know, in love and totally committed to each other emotionally, but they have hookups on the side. And if you look over at OMG, most of the posters think the story could be true.
Oh, yes I do know why you're obsessed with Jaustin fans, you think we're all going to cry ourselves to sleep and stop believing in them just they act like typical gay men. Not going to happen. Just like Reeke is not going to make us think Jake is straight. So please change that broken record.
I do think Jake is most likely gay. But that is my speculation. There is certainly nothing to substantiate that Jake and Austin are a couple just there is nothing to substatiate that Jake likes to fuck around with guys. Please don't tell me about photographs. Unless the photograph is of Jake having sex with a man, it proves nothing except in your feverish, fanfic mind.
I do think Jake and Austin have a relationship. They're fuckbuddies, friends with benefits, etc. I just don't have any reason to believe they are in love and in a committed relationship.
Where does that leave me?
Fuck buddies for 6 or 7 years???? If you believe that, I've got some real estate in the middle of the desert that I'd love to sell to you.
Well, just to see how much truth the babblers can handle, I posted that the guy in the Lakers photos is a Austin's friend--which he is--post lasted maybe an hour tops.
I just don't have any reason to believe they are in love and in a committed relationship."
(Faints in horror and mortification at such a statement).
"Fuck buddies for 6 or 7 years???? If you believe that, I've got some real estate in the middle of the desert that I'd love to sell to you."
Whoever you are, you really walked into that one. What do you think the desert is? Anyone who's made the drive to Las Vegas or thru Arizona will tell you, the desert is HUGE and it's ALL real estate. So sure, Austin and Jake could be fuckbuddies for 6 or 7 years, why not? Time flies and there's plenty of land in them deserts.
Plenty of land but no real estate :D
Real Estate: (definition)
A piece of land, including the air above it and the ground below it, and any buildings or structures on it.
Plenty of real estate/land. Owned by someone or an entity. You don't know the deserts like I do! Next time be safe and use the London Bridge in the desert analogy, lol!
"Well, just to see how much truth the babblers can handle"
Excellent, if people think the folks here and at OMG are delusional loons, they ain't seen nothing until how the babblers carry on.
"Fuck buddies for 6 or 7 years????"
Practice makes perfect!
Posted on OMG
April 14, 2006
Dear Ted:
This Ted-head was wondering, if closeted actors have dalliances, aren't they afraid someone will blab to the press? Please, who is Toothy Tile? He is the only one I care about. I think it is Zach Braff.
Judi
Dear Dirt Devil:
Horny men do stupidola things. Explains a lot. Regarding Zach, no, honey. Toothy's actually hot, see.
"I don't understand what the big deal is. So Jake fucks around. So what?"
It is a big deal only because we rarely read about it :)
"I'm sure this was not written by a guy. Babbler? Female Austin hater? Any type of JIS fangirl? Jack???"
WTF?????? Since when do babblers or JiS fangirls believe Jake is gay as a goose? You need to accept there are people here who believe Jake is gay but don’t think Jake and Austin are/were more than fuckbuddies. Deal with it, pal.
Well, just to see how much truth the babblers can handle, I posted that the guy in the Lakers photos is a Austin's friend--which he is--post lasted maybe an hour tops. /
Deleting that was a mistake:
1. babblers are bad fans because they don't like Jake's friends
2. now someone might think that Austin is persona non grata because babblers don't like Jake's lover, ergo think Jake is gay. lol
Babblers are terrified of anything to do with Austin, that's why they delete. If they are reading, here's someone else who recognised Austin's friend.
I think J&A might not be happy at the moment - going by Jake's expression - and I also believe the blogger.
Babblers should be strong, they should embrace Austin and clame that Jake and Austin are just heterosexual friends.
Who knows, someone might believe it!
Posted on OMG by Orchid
Good - a report from a local about Adam and Kris Allen: "Adam approached Kris' dad and complimented him on "how he raised him" saying: "He's the only Christian I've met that hasn't judged me." and that he "genuinely loves and accepts me for who I am."
The bad: Adam's brother Neil posted on his blog that another contestant, Michael Sarver said to Adam that:
"Where I'm from, you're either in the closet or you're dead".
Here's what Adam's brother wrote about it:
"With Sarver, well.... Mom and Dad always taught us that it isn't what you say but how you say it. That's how I got so sardonic. So if what he said offended Adam, it probably had some teeth to it. Do I think he hates gays? No. Do I think he's an ignorant shithead with no concept of diversity and how to interact with people that don't match the narrow archetype of everyone you grew up with? Yes."
Anyway to leave things on a positive note here's a cute Kris/Adam surprise hug.
Kris Surprise Huggle Attack on Adam
"Kris Surprise Huggle Attack on Adam"
Geez, get a room!
Where I'm from, you're either in the closet or you're dead. /
What a jerk!
24th May 2009
Wentworth Miller, on the other hand, permanently sprung from cancelled Prison Break, is having a bit of trouble locking-up his future employment plans.
He had been eyeing Bioshock, a sci-fi thriller based on the videogame of the same name, but the movie, to be directed by Gore Verbinski (the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy) caused sticker-shock among Universal studio execs who are fighting to scale back the hefty budget.
Kinda OT, but is the name "Witherspoon" from Jewish origin?
I don't think so.
Scottish, not Jewish.
Scandalous news from the soap world. Actor Chris Engen (left) reportedly walked off the show because of a script in which his character was to kiss one played by Yani Gellman, according to The Suds Report:
"A few days after The Nelson Ratings finally bought Chris Engen’s uneven portrayal of Adam Newman, the newcomer shocked the entire Y&R cast by quitting his role in the middle of his contract two days ago! According to sources, Engen bolted because, “he [allegedly] refused to kiss [his same-sex] co-star Yani Gellman [Rafe]. Chris hasn’t been happy for a while. He doesn’t like the dark direction his character is taking. He’s called in sick a lot recently and has been taking a slew of meetings with Y&R’s [top brass] to discuss his future on the show. Chris is still under contract — and Y&R is seriously thinking of taking legal action.” Meanwhile, the No. 1 soap is currently scrambling to recast the pivotal role."
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Fitting, isn't it? Reese who doesn't shower every day, and the names: Reeke, Reest infection, Witheredpoon.
ewww
Page Six
DELETED SCARLETT JOHANSSON FILM 'SIMPLY NOT GOOD'
SCARLETT Johansson might be lucky the segment she directed for "New York, I Love You" was deleted. Insiders say the anthology movie, originally due out last year, has been delayed "four times" and now has an October release date. "There are a lot of problems with the movie," an insider said. "It simply is not good. And the producer [Emmanuel Benhiby] hired his girlfriend to do commentary in between the short films -- and let's just put it this way: She's no actress." Benhiby didn't e-mail us back.
"Scottish, not Jewish"
I see.
And God forbid if she was, can't have that. It's bad enough you brokies hate the fact that Jake is half Jewish. I remember the anti-semitic filth on the DC forum when it was learned by some who just became "fans" because of BBM that he was, gulp half Jewish and because his mother was a Jewess (I kid you not, that was the name that was used, like Nazi germany)
Since the same posters there post here, the filth was brought here along with the racist crap. "Jackie" left it up until someone said that it didn't look good, maybe wicked and SK fromOMG since theyare Jewish and pro-Obama.
Bashing women and calling them
cunts is Ok here because some women hate other women, like slash hags.
Don't know what's more pathetic: self loathing,middle-aged gay white men who are log cabin rethugs that hate blacks and jews and women or, white-middle aged hags that read and write slash, hate other women and ignore the racist anti-semitic filth.
"It's bad enough you brokies hate the fact that Jake is half Jewish."
LOL, OMG how crazy you are.
I'm from an etnic minority that is not very much liked and I have to fight prejudices on a regular basis. So STFU!
I asked the Reese question because I was genuinely curious you fool.
^^ethnic
Sorry to say this, but some Jake fans here seem paranoid and crazy. Get a life.
Jake still has fans? I don't think the posters here, on OMG, GB, WDW, DC and even IHJ are actual fans anymore, not of his movies anyway.
More his personal life and even that is waning, but maybe thats what Jake wants. Wouldn't be surprised to hear sooner than later that he has gone into the restaurant business and selling his organic veggies at a mart in Ojai!
^^Btw I don't post on DC, if this forum is full of racists then someone should intervene and close it.
Having a bad day, 8:57 AM?
8:57 AM, YOU KNOW that no one here has a problem with Jake being Jewish. What is your REAL problem / agenda?
Dear Ted:
In the past three weeks that I've been reading A.T., I've become a Blind Vice-aholic, so I must know: does Toothy's beard know that's all she is? Or does she think it's the real deal?
—Kate
Dear Vice Addict:
Like many women who operate so intimately in the worlds of gay men, she thinks somehow Toothy's feelings for her are different.
Awful Truth
"8:57 AM, YOU KNOW that no one here has a problem with Jake being Jewish. What is your REAL problem / agenda?"
I want to know too. I think s/he is a wacko though.
"Dear Vice Addict:
Like many women who operate so intimately in the worlds of gay men, she thinks somehow Toothy's feelings for her are different."
So she thinks it's the real deal?
How would she react if she knew about Francis and the girl at the Lakers game? Probably not happy.
"So she thinks it's the real deal?"
No, some naive girl called Kate thinks that Reese might think it's the real deal.
9:37 AM, you are very naive girl too :)
I don't think Ted is saying Reese thinks she's the real deal, just that she thinks she's special and such a good friend that he might change for her. Might be a small difference in linguistics but a big one in her (mis)perception.
9:43 you don't make sense. Have some coffee and read the Ted letter.
Ted claims that she some how she thinks TT's feelings for her are different,although how Ted would know that is a mystery since I doubt neither Reese nor her friends are spilling to him. It's speculation on his part because it has been going on for over 2 years and it appears the kids are involved.
The fauxmance is not a speculation. Fauxmance without involving kids is not an option for Reese.
The kids are involved?!! So what if Reese's rugrats are in photo ops or genuinely do real activities with Mommy's gay work friend Jake. Children meeting or having contact with their parent's buddies/work cohorts is normal, it's not "this must be serious stuff because oh my god the kids will be devastated if they never see this person again" crap.
People need to forget their middle-American values and their concepts of what is normal if they want to understand a Hollywood relationship. Seriously. Austin and Jake are not star crossed lovers who desire a life together behind a picket fence. They are men who have sex and hand around together. Reese and Jake both know that they are not the down home wholesome couple they pretend to be. THEY get it. They know it's part of the business to market yourself as part of a cute couple and they for the most part seem to enjoy doing it. What they do when the cameras are off is total mystery but these mutually beneficial relationships are NORMAL in Hollywood.
Stop trying to make it make sense or discount it based on ingrained ideas of why they would do such a thing. These are not normal people.
10:09 I used the words rugrats, children and kids in my comment, so what if you have a problem with one of them. And because I use "rugrats" as one of the three words you say I'm not a nice person, I hate children and I'm jealous? (jealous of what?!). What an immature response you have, you can't present an argument or a half decent comment so you say someone isn't nice, is a hater and the classic, "jealous". You forgot to accuse me of being fat, too. "Fat and jealous" is the classic reply of trolls. Move along, go back to Babble or your hole, we see right thru you here.
If Jake likes women as much as men and one day wants his own kids, I'd bet my ass Reese won't be the mother of his child. "Reeke" is a matter of convenience and won't last till their old.
10:30, Why would Jake have to like women or fuck them to have a child?
^^You're right, if he's gay he could have some woman have his and his male partner's kid of course. But if he genuinely likes women too, he'll probably have it with his female parter. We will see what happens.
Even as a determined tb I don't think Ted knows dick about the inner workings of Reeke.
That doesn't make Reeke real.
But if he genuinely likes women too, he'll probably have it with his female parter. We will see what happens.
Yes let's see if Jake can make babies with women in interesting positions, having very painfully unnatural and not exactly enjoyable gagging deepthroat sex. If so that'll be one for the record books and medical journals, superduper swimmers!
A number of gay men have had swx with women and produced babies, this is not news. It may mess with your fangirl slash but it happens sweetie, the act doesn't take long and lot cheaper and easier than a turkey baster.
A hard dick in a pussy for a few moments and he shoots his load and there you have it!
Gay men have given pity fucks to their hags, or let them blow them or even got drunk and horny and screwed their hags!
That should be have had sex with women of course.
"People need to forget their middle-American values and their concepts of what is normal if they want to understand a Hollywood relationship. Seriously."
Couldn't agree more.
Dear Ted:
I don't get it. One minute it seems like you're fed up with Toothy or Judas' behavior and then the next minute you seem to be sympathizing with them to the point of excusing their behavior. And why exactly are you so easy on Dash, when he's playing the game just like Judas? If Dash and Judas are so on-again, off-again, why do they still live together?
—nat
Dear It Ain't So Simple:
Try growing up gay in Texas and you'll know what it's like to want things majorly changed, yet, at the same time, you still have sympathy for those who aren't changing as fast as you'd like. It's really that simple.
Try growing up gay in Texas and you'll know what it's like to want things majorly changed, yet, at the same time, you still have sympathy for those who aren't changing as fast as you'd like. /
Awww, Ted still loves me!
^^Ted is the best. And he also said that Toothy and Goose wanted a traditional life of domesticity, with the proverbial picket fence, superdomesticating, etc., didn't he? We need to stop projecting what we would like Toothy to be, and accept him for who he is, on that I agree. Most of the gay male couples I know have been involved with the same guy for decades, more faithful than straight couples, it appears.
"we need to stop projecting what we would like Toothy to be"
Can't, it's too much fun :)
My gay friend is married to a woman. They have an arrangement. If his Grandmother finds out he's gay, he will forfeit a huge trust. They have a turkey baster kid. He does what he wants to do. She does what she wants to do. The kid is cute. Grandma is happy and he has more money than Jesus.
When Grandma dies, they'll divorce, she'll get a percentage of the trust as per their agreement and everyone will move on with their lives. They're great friends and have killer parties. It's a very adult and very 21st century arrangement.
Let me say they have a very healthy and realistic relationship. He fucks who he wants and she fucks who she wants and the kid is a great and very well adjusted. They have a very loving relationship that doesn't get muddied with a bunch of money and sex issues. You have to admit, most relationship would work a helluva a lot better without money and sex problems.
WTF?!?
^^Isn't that a slash story that's overdue for an update? :)
That isn't a slash story - that's "let's be practical" story :)
For Samir, a 34-year-old gay man living in Saudi Arabia, each day is a denial. He lives in Mecca, the holiest city according to Islam, and is acutely aware of the stigma that surrounds his gay lifestyle.
"I'm a Muslim. I know it's forbidden, but I can't help it," he tells ABC News, clearly conflicted.
"I pray to God to help me be straight, just to avoid hell. But I know that I'm gay and I'm living as one, so I can't see a clear vision for the future."
Samir, like many gay men in the Arab world, guards his sexual orientation with a paranoid secrecy. To feel free he takes long vacations to Thailand, where he has a boyfriend, and spends weekends in Lebanon, which he regards as having a more gay-tolerant society.
But at home in Saudi Arabia, he is vigilant. Samir's parents don't know of his lifestyle. He says his mom would kill herself if she found out. They constantly set him up with women they consider potential wives. At work, Samir watches his words, careful not to arouse the suspicion of colleagues.
"You can't let a word slip that makes you seem gay-friendly or gay," he says. "Before you make a move you have to think."
...
ABC News
I distinctly remember a slash story with that same plot - can't remember the title, but the synopsis was entitled "fake marriage - the last of the movie cliches that hasn't been exploited via slash". Same grandma, same trust fund, wouldn't happen in real life. Author wrote two chapters and ran out of steam, I believe, could be wrong about that. :) Any "marriage" based on lies and only for money isn't healthy, IMO.
I love God but I hate religion. I wish they would stop teaching people to hate each other and that natural human love is wrong. :(
"I distinctly remember a slash story with that same plot"
Which fandom?
"Which married actor is wildly flamboyant among friends and business associates, but when he sits down with an interviewer or goes out in public, he suddenly reins in the swishing and tries to pass for straight? Who's buying it?" [BlindGossip]
Is Zac Efron going to dump Vanessa Hudgens? "Zac's been told that to go from a teen idol to a major movie star, he has to distance himself from his HSM image," says a source, "One big thing that means is no more Vanessa. When people see them together, they think of their characters." [ShowbizSpy]
Which married actor is wildly flamboyant among friends and business associates... /
BlindGossip comment:
It is Will Smith. On TMZ they had video of him at one of his kids’ game, both his arms and legs were swishing. Had on a tight pink shirt on to boot. This was months ago and I still remember because it was so outlandish. I know this is the ususal suspect but believe me I saw it. Swish, swish both arms and legs. LMAO!! He let his guard down for a few seconds but TMZ caught it. Even one of the producers commented about how only will can rock a pink shirt. WHAT!!
wicked and SK fromOMG since theyare Jewish and pro-Obama/
Neither Wicked nor Special are Jewish. At least try to get SOME of your facts right.
Adam Lambert is straight!
Adam and some girl
Beard? :)
Woohoo! I should trade in the homo for Lambert and get me some real sex!
"Adam and some girl"
That boy is insatiable!
SK is Jewish, YOU get your facts straight.I guess you will no longer cut and paste crap here and post there, SK is a Jewess!
3:46 PM Racism is curable, give it a try.
Interesting, the old "Jake might be in it, it's going to be big on a NY Broadway stage" Farragut North play is now in L.A. at the (small) Geffen Playhouse and starring Chris Pine. How's that bearding and Reese mentoring working out for you Jake?
JustJared - Chris Pine in Farragut North
Take your own advice 3:52.
Jake had zero interest in doing the stage play in Ny of that play, he was only interested in the film. Clooney has the rights and either Matt Damon or Leo has the lead, once he heard that, that was the end of that.
Doing a play is too much work for lazy Jake.
PS: A play in L.A.?? Bwaaaaaaa!!
4:52 PM, unlike you, I don't care who's a Jew and who isn't.
"Jake had zero interest in doing the stage play in Ny of that play, he was only interested in the film."
What's next?
Are you going to clame that Jake never did theatre?
Yeah, Jake did theater back in 2002 in Londodn because he was listening to his people back then, but that was over six years ago. if he does theater I bet it will be back in London and not NY, he's too afraid of the reviews!
Again his reading of the play and the leak to the NY press was just him trying to get the film role, not the stage.
Poor fangirls, Jake is a lazy wuss!!!
How did Jake know that someone will be interested in turning Farragut North into a movie?
Gosh, someone's throwing their toys out of the pram here aren't they. Folks just remember there are far more important things in life than whether all this, just think about North Korea and nuclear weapons for a few minutes and all this toothy stuff really does seem as trivial as it really is.
Its still fun and addictively interesting, just not really world shattering.
Party pooper! :)
Sorry! :(
Just joking! :)
5:20PM: It was common knowledge in HW that Clooney was interested in the film rights to the play. If you remember the leak back i 2007 from the NY Post not only did they mention that Jake read for the play but that Cloony had the film rights to the play which I thought was odd since the play wasn't even in production yet. Then I read later on that the author of the play was shopping it in HW because he was getting nowhere as far as getting it on b'way. Makes sense that it landed in L.A., that way they can say that the movie was based on the play, sounds more important.
Clooney and film rights were mentioned few months after the reading.
What is "swish"(-ing)?
swish
A male homosexual who has a very effeminate swirling stroll as he walks turning from right to left as he advances, his clothes making a swishing noise somewhat like a broom sweeping the floor.
Georgey, Leo, if you need any of my services please feel free to call me.
Then a natural strawberry-blonde, Adam Lambert performs at his Mt Carmel High School graduation
Its So hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday
Easy question :)
August, 2003: principal photography has commenced on Working Title Films’ "Wimbledon".
Did Jake use Kiki to get a role for Austin while he was cheating on her with Austin?
According to loads of different gossips, Kiki (at Jake's request) did help get a role for Austin in "Wimbledon."
What about cheating on Kiki with Austin gossip?
Jake got Peter the part in Rendition and Jarhead.
R6:55, I don't know about that. Peter is pretty well regarded and better known as a film actor than Austin. I think you're just pissed off that people have said repeatedly that Jake did have Kiki help Austin (an unknown entity) score a role in "Wimbledon."
I will never understand WHY people who can't stand the idea of Jake liking guys post on this site.
That was the rumors at the time, you must have not been "around" when the gossip was about Jake and Peter, Maggie's pregnancy stopped that although purses continue to fall out of Peter's mouth when he talks!
"Purses fall out of Peter's mouth"?
You mean he's "swishing"? :)
I liked Peter on the nuclear submarine.:)
Jake was still in diapers when Peter was being very good.
you must have not been "around" when the gossip was about Jake and Peter /
I wasn't around - what gossip?
It was mostly posted on the DL and repeated onsome of the usual blogs. Supposedly from people who worked on Jarhead. Claimed that they were fooling around and that maggie knew that Peter was either gay or at least bi but they hooked up anyway. Gossip from theater people that Peter is more queeny in person if that's possible and are still stunned that they not only that they are parents but married!
Rumors of a few ex-bf's from theater. Just rumors. The only women that I know of that Peter dated before Maggie was that Von Tisse chick which is weird.
Peter dated Dita Von Teese?
Did Jake use Kiki to get a role for Austin while he was cheating on her with Austin?
Jake is such a people user, from Kiki to Austin to Reese. Who will come after Reese?
"Jake is such a people user, from Kiki to Austin to Reese. Who will come after Reese?"
I don't think it will matter who comes after Reese. His showmance with her has done nothing to help him and seems to be slowly stalling his career. And, when she tires of him and dumps him, she will do to Jake what she has been doing to Ryan, try to make him look as bad as she can and kill off whatever career he has left.
Peter plays gay beautifully, cf The Dying Gaul.
I wonder If Austin is gone for good this time, i.e. no amount of alleged crying will fix things.
And, when she tires of him and dumps him, she will do to Jake what she has been doing to Ryan, try to make him look as bad as she can and kill off whatever career he has left.
I would like to see a Jake vs. Reese grudge match. That would make them both more interesting. But Jake is not much of a fighter.
"Who will come after Reese?"
It depends on how awesome they make me come!
So it's always about your coming?
No wonder Austin left.
"Did Jake use Kiki to get a role for Austin while he was cheating on her with Austin?"
Acting is like every other profession: it helps who you know and what contacts you've made to get you thru the door. Sure you can do a cold call or go off of an ad, but having someone in the industry give you a reference or help spread your name points to trust, that they stand by your reputation. But after that, you're on your own with proving to TPTB your workability, if you can be depended on and if you have good judgement. So what if Jake or Kiki referred Austin and he got the part? If he was absolutely terrible, 1.Jake/Kiki wouldn't have put their reputations on the line and referred him in the first place and 2.He wouldn't have gotten the part, period. But he did, and he was fine.
"Who you know" is the same all over, and for the reasons I described it's a positive, valid employment tool. But somehow especially in Hollywood, it has negative connotations. Sure there are abuses of it like any other thing, but Jake/Kiki helping Austin, or Maggie helping Jake, etc., whatever, is not a big deal.
http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/reese-witherspoon-and-jake-gyllenhaal-holiday-partiers-213742/
"Purses fall out of Peter's mouth?"
Peter can be *very* effeminate.
"while he was cheating on her with Austin"
Let's face it, all 3 were (still are) pretty young and experimenting with life, relationships, mistakes, taking risks, following heart/mind choices and the consequences of growing up, finding out that Mom and Dad can't always make things right...the same things we ALL have to learn by trial and error, usually (and hopefully) in our 20s. So the word "cheating' IMO, at that time of intensive growth experiences, means little in terms of accusing someone of being a bad person, of knowing better. If anything cheating is a required course in your 20s, being both cheater and cheatee. It's something that helps you form your sexual identity and see what behavior values (yours and others) are important to you.
The reason why I'm saying this is because it always kind of annoys me when people say Jake cheated on Kiki with Austin, like it was a big sin and he was awful for doing it. Yes its probably true he was dating both and one of them was unaware of the other, lol, but my god they were young, stuff like that happens, it's supposed to, really. Living, loving and learning in your 20s, there's nothing better, and worse.
Okay I really got on a roll, lol sorry. What I really started out to say was that I always got the feeling that Jake, Kiki and Austin had three-way sex at some point, at least once. Hell yeah! But that afterward, it ended up changing the dynamics of the relationships, and two of the people felt a bond beyond sexual and needed to be together. The third person wasn't meant to be excluded, it just worked out that way. I always get the feeling that Jake liked and loved Kiki herself, not so much just having sex with women. Kiki is why I think Jake is 10% straight and 90% gay, it was HER not just vaginas in general. And I believe that he tried all sorts of ways to have both Kiki and Austin, but that he can't help that men suit him better.
Sorry for the rambling. Long weekend, lots of thoughts and I'm a bit scattered.
Ted probably knows that Jake is having a hard time securing juicy roles. In fact, it's probably an open secret in Hollywood by now.
"So it's always about your coming?"
Well yes either coming or gooing, sometimes it's about my second coming, I'm always goo to go for another sexsson!
Peter didn't just date Dita Von Teese, he cheated on her with model Shalom Harlow!
Well said 11:11. Not sure about the 3 way, but they were certainly young and confused. The time to experiment and find out who you really are.
I doubt they did a threesome. According to rumors/gossip grapevine, when Kiki found out about Jake and Austin, she was devastated--really thrown for a loop. Now there are various accounts as to how she found out but supposedly they had a LOUD altercation about it at the Chateau Marmont while Jake was doing promo for TDAT (when he was off two weeks from the BBM set). Supposedly everyone and his brother heard them yelling at one another. Kiki dropped Jake right then and then. (Later they reunited but it didn't last and Jake was still boffing Austin).
^that's from DL, never believed it.
"I doubt they did a threesome. According to rumors/gossip grapevine, when Kiki found out about Jake and Austin, she was devastated--really thrown for a loop."
I don't know if they did a threesome either but... confession time: when my bf heard I was boffing our sometimes threesome partner on the side he was also devastated and thrown for a loop. It was all fine fun and games when it was the three of us but when he found out about the little private twosomes he was royally pissed.(I was only 22 so I had a free pass for stupidity) Like I said I'm not sure about a Jake-Kiki-Austin threesome, but I know from experience that having them doesn't exclude extreme anger at another participant from the mix. Just sayin.
So what we're saying is 'Francis' posts a man's account of meeting Jake and suddenly a Twitter appears somewhere else about Reese and Jake having coffee babies?
That sounds just like standard 10%er panic-mode to me, using Twitter as another medium to counter a true or false story but nonethless a story from a M-A-N, an apparently straight one who blows his cover.
Can't have that now can we?
Speaking of Twitter, this is supposedly (I think it's legit because there are a lot of personal shots posted on it) Reese's Twitter account: http://twitter.com/r_witherspoon
So all please follow her! Oy...
Someone named bottom_eater, weho_cockboy or manjuicer should twitter Reese and ask her to remind Jake to bring more confid agreements to the party.
If that's the real Reese, she way more people friendly that I thought. She's actually responding to real people.
I don't know if that's really her. It could be, but is she really that friendly and interested in other people, seriously? And for someone whose never had a site before, why now, and why twitter which is just a portable pointless IM? And out of all the pics we see of her, none have her texting, and all the interviews and magazine PR stuff and the twitter site itself, nothing has been mentioned about Reese twittering. I saw all the pics, most are not personal they are on the web or Flickr (example, the Coachella Jenny Lewis show, Reeke was watching from the VIP sidelines but the pic on her twitter was taken in front of the stage). The pics I didn't recognize, like 3 of them, are old pics, I don't have time to do it but I'm pretty sure they could be found, the cake pics too. Maybe its really her and she uses public pics but doesn't that seem strange thing to do. Some pics make it want to look like she took them but she didn't, I've seen them before. Also the spelling isn't consistent, like mama and momma.
I don't believe that's really her.
Even if the account is real, I bet that her PR team member is posting "friendly, down to earth" Reese Witherspoon's messages. Blah.
The shot of Jake pitching in the green shorts is an old one-taken the summer of 2005.
Fake twitter accounts are all the rage. That is not Reese.
Well expressed, 11:11! :)
The California Supreme Court will post its decision on three cases challenging Proposition 8 at 10 am today PDT, Tuesday, May 26 (PDF).
Demonstration info: Day of Decision - 96 cities.
New York: Rally starting at Sheridan Square.
Seattle: Westlake Center.
link
"10 am PDT"
= 12:00 pm CST
= 1:00 pm EST
= LATER anywhere (except Hawaii)
FINALLY...you have to wait for us, bitches!
Fingers crossed :)
SK is Jewish, YOU get your facts straight.I guess you will no longer cut and paste crap here and post there, SK is a Jewess!/
No matter how many times you post it, she's not Jewish. If you don't believe me, ask her at OMG. My question is, why do you need her to be and what does it mean to you if she is?
Lainey has an account up, with pics, of a Memorial day party thrown by Joel Silver that was attended by Tom Hanks, Reese and Jake.
Who is Joel Silver?
Same Reeke pictures are posted by JJ (Reeke leaving the party).
Joel Silver is a producer.
If you don't believe me, ask her at OMG. /
Nah, our poster wouldn't dare.
Charlotte Gainsbourg has won the best actress prize at the Cannes Film Festival for her role in Lars von Trier's Antichrist — in which she does unspeakable things to the genitalia of Willem Dafoe. Congrats! [AP]
COLIN FARRELL is preparing to walk his gay brother down the aisle when he marries later this year (09).
The actor will be best man when Eamon Farrell ties the knot with his partner Steven in a European ceremony.
And Eamon has blasted the British government for forcing him to travel abroad to marry. Gay couples can make their relationships legal in the U.K. with same sex civil unions, but still cannot marry in the same way as a man and woman.
Eamon says, "We have to get married abroad. It's absolutely terrible. We have to go somewhere legal, which narrows it down to about five countries. I want to be able to get married. The Government's paper on civil unions is only for gay people. If you're straight, you can't have one. So that's not fair either.
"If you want a civil union you should be able to do it, if I want to get married I should be able to do it."
link
Thanks 9:12 AM ... Braced for the worst, hoping for the best.
Everybody says it will be the worst.
We'll win at the ballot box later, but I'm tired of being the soccer ball that right wingers and politicians kick around. :P
I. AM NOT. A SOCCER BALL.
I. AM. A GAY.
Go Colin Farrell! :-)
"You can't let a word slip that makes you seem gay-friendly"
May 25, 2009 1:07 PM
See now there's the evil of the closet. You have to pretend to hate gay people, because otherwise you are suspect. grrgrrg! >:-(
Accustomed to Hating Gays, Microsoft Now Wants to Be Their Web Broswer
Jerry Seinfeld? Yeah, Microsoft is notorious for some terrible advertising. But marketing Internet Explorer 8 on Indian television, the software giant decided to go gay with this spot. The ad is still pretty terrible, but maybe it's nice to see a company synonymous with discriminating against gays finally recognizing they might actually be a decent customer base?
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Demi Moore is Toothy! lol
^^^ Can't decide between cool, WTF and too much info :)
Gotta say Jake looked good in the last couple of pics. Impovement! :)
There's no room for the improvement - I'm perfect!
There are new pictures of Jake shopping in Ojai.
Ojai? Really? Special K doesn't agree :)
OMG
^^ Photos by X17. I agree with Special K.
Time!
Prop 8 stays (for now).
It was upheld, but the 18,000 marriages will be recognized.
"Photos by X17"
I didn't see the photos on X17.
One hypotetical question. What if Jake marries Reese and she has his baby? How many here will still be waiting for Toothy?
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