Tuesday, 19 May 2009
Playing gay, being gay
24 November 2005
This well might be the Year of the Gay at the Oscars. Not the year of the gay actor - heavens forbid - but the year when actors are rewarded for playing gay parts. Philip Seymour Hoffman has produced what is said to be a virtuoso account of Truman Capote's mincing style in Capote. Felicity Huffman, the put-upon one in Desperate Housewives, has been persuaded to play a male-to-female transvestite in Transamerica. And Annie Proulx's great short story, Brokeback Mountain, about an extended and tragic love affair between two cowboys, has been filmed by Ang Lee with Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal in the leads.
Oscars surely await some of these. There are half a dozen other big name actors playing gay roles this season, and it's evidently now a safe career move. It's worth noting, however, that none of these actors themselves is gay, and indeed most of them have been at some pains to distance themselves from any such suggestion. Michelle Williams, the mother of Ledger's child, appears in Brokeback Mountain as his character's betrayed wife. That, one must assume, could only happen when there was no possibility whatever of it being, for instance, a sardonic joke on a real-life gay affair. The casting of Williams is a spectacular example of the sexual alibi; for anyone who cares to wonder, we are reassured that this could only be a piece of "let's pretend", and the actor's real interests are nervously displayed on screen.
As if that wasn't enough, the actors in these films are always at pains to stress the incredible trauma involved in having to pretend to kiss a person of the same sex in front of cameras. To be fair, this is always a subject that unhealthily obsesses interviewers, but actors' responses are often highly amusing. Jake Gyllenhaal has said: "Heath and I were both saying, 'Let's get the love scenes over as fast as we can - all right, cool. Let's get to the important stuff.'"
We are left in no doubt at all. The actors in these films are so extraordinarily heterosexual that playing gay presents them with incredible challenges. Personally, I've spent a day down a working coal mine, and think that, as jobs go, being asked to snog Heath Ledger is not among the world's more demanding professional tasks.
But Hollywood, evidently, agrees with the actors. When you look at recent Oscars, the tendency is fairly clear. Tom Hanks - famously uxorious - won for playing a gay man in Philadelphia. Hilary Swank's burlesque turn as a transsexual teen in Boys Don't Cry followed, and then Charlize Theron won for the fat, ugly, lesbian serial killer in Monster. Of course, as is customary, some of the Oscar-winning credit goes to the make-up artist here - golly, look at Charlize, she's made herself all ugly - but most of it is surely down to the incredible fact that an artist was prepared to demean herself enough to play a lesbian.
When you look at the history of Oscar-winning performances, Hollywood's new enthusiasm for embracing minorities seems less than profound. Notoriously, the easiest way to win an Oscar is to play somebody bravely fighting against a physical condition or a mental handicap. The easiest route of all, in fact, is to play a gifted artist suddenly struck down by disability - the early years of the Academy awards are littered with long-forgotten tales of deaf sopranos and ballerinas with gout. As the "Kate Winslet" character in Ricky Gervais's series Extras scabrously observed, "Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot? Oscar. Dustin Hoffman, Rain Man? Oscar. Seriously, you are guaranteed an Oscar if you play a mental."
The way Hollywood is rushing to reward heterosexual actors playing gay roles does not, really, reflect very well on its engagement. It is just too much like its fairly disgraceful engagement with mental and physical disability, and too much like rewarding a variety turn. Hollywood, so admiring of an actor's ability to project a sexuality not his own in these cases, has never been in a hurry to reward those far more common examples of gay actors convincingly playing heterosexual roles. In most cases, that involves rather more than the requirement of kissing this year's starlet in front of the cameras - a requirement no less or more demanding for a gay actor than Mr Gyllenhaal being asked to kiss Mr Ledger, surely. It may involve an actor's whole life.
One of the very striking things about this whole curious fashion is that not one of the actors involved is gay themselves. Moreover, it seems fairly likely, in view of the tone of the attendant publicity, that a studio just wouldn't cast a gay actor in one of these roles. It is quite impossible to imagine Heat magazine asking a gay actor how they enjoyed kissing their straight co-star, or indeed, their gay co-star. It would raise questions of enthusiasm which the world of publicity is not quite ready for and we can only, it seems, watch such kisses with the assurance, as swift as can be arranged, that nobody involved could possibly have derived pleasure from it.
But there's another, rather bigger reason why the studios wouldn't cast a gay actor in such a role. In America, evidently, there aren't any gay actors. One may grow rather satirical on the subject, but the truth is that whereas in every other country in the world it is widely accepted that theatre and film offer a congenial and sympathetic area in which gay men and women can work, this is simply not true in America. There are no gay actors - or at least, there weren't until Nathan Lane, to everyone's utter incredulity, came out. Of course, there were gay actors in America's past - James Dean, Cary Grant, Dirk Bogarde, Rock Hudson, Danny Kaye. Plenty of them, in fact. But, for whatever reason, there's hardly a single gay actor of recognisable stature working in Hollywood. An incredible fact.
Sooner or later, one of those non-existent gay actors will take a role as a gay character, and tell us all subsequently how difficult they found kissing their co-star, to general derisive hilarity. In fact, it's not hard to think of a recent film where exactly that situation arose, starring one of those gentlemen with a boyfriend on the payroll and a lady hired for the purpose of premieres. But Hollywood will only seem truly tolerant when it allows gay actors to play gay roles, kissing included, and no whining about it in the publicity afterwards. Until then there's - how should one put it - a slight air of Al Jolson about the whole business.
Source: Gay for today by Philip Hensher, The Guardian
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1855 Newer› Newest»I do think they look like Brothers:
Jake&Tobey
Also, it'll be interesting to see the "Brothers" cast promote the film. I wonder how they'll get along. /
Aside festival(s) and premiere(s) they will promote the movie on their own, right?
"I do think they look like Brothers"
In some pictures they look like brothers to me, in some they don't look alike at all.
Aside festival(s) and premiere(s) they will promote the movie on their own, right?/
Yes. But I feel it might premiere at the Venice or Toronto film festival.
Look what I found. Candids of Jake, Tobey and his cute daughter Ruby from last year:
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Jake and Tobey from 2006 (I think)
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"Jake and Tobey from 2006 (I think)
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Aww, I think Tobey likes Jake. :)
Jake and Natalie are old friends, Jake and Tobey know each other for a long time - they should have a good time together (unless they had a terrible time filming together, lol).
Everybody Loves Me!
(unless they had a terrible time filming together, lol)./
I don't think so. :)
After I got my own make up artist and hair stylist we had an amazing time filming Brothers!
^^LOL.
Brothers release in December: I wonder if Jake is pissed at how long it's taken and that it will probably be promoted around the time of the US Thanksgiving holidays (he'll have to travel a lot, do TV shows and all that) OR if Jake is relieved that it's happening in December because it gives him more time to prepare himself for the Reeke questions.
Why would Jake have to prepare for Reeke questions?!? It's "been there, done that" for him.
Q: It has been rumoured you're dating the director Spike Jonze - how is that going?
Michelle Williams: I don't really want to talk about that, thanks.
"Why would Jake have to prepare for Reeke questions?!? It's "been there, done that" for him."
Nope it hasn't. Its been what 3 years since he's had interviews? And those were "are you dating?" Alot of blatant Reeking has gone on since then. There's no way he can get around it now except for lying or telling the truth.
^^Exactly. That's how Jake should handle the Reeke questions. I don't want Reeke crap to overshadow movie promotion.
Replied to 7:50 AM.
"And those were "are you dating?"
So what, Jake was asked about Reeke during Rendition promotion.
Jake doesn't have to talk about Reeke. Or he can talk and say nothing. Or ... there are a lot of options.
Really, you don't? I do. I want to see him lie thru his teeth and I want those fucking lies documented. I want his bearding on the record, from his own words. Don't you realize its all been Reese doing the talking and magazine interviews about their great romance for 3 years? Not one word from Jake the Ball-less. I want to hear his lies. Let's see how good an actor he really is.
I'll have to check the contract.
How will what Jake says, or not, affect your life one way or another 7:59?
Affect our life?! Chuck, is that you? :)
"I want to see him lie thru his teeth and I want those fucking lies documented."
Let him squirm. lol
Also, at the music festival, Jake was standing next to Busy, Michelle's BFF and godmother of little M. I didn't get a negative vibe at all from them
^^
Yes, but they acted as if the didn't know each other. They must have met at least once in their lives,in Matilda's baptism
"Let him squirm. lol"
Exactly. For 3 years Reese has done all the talking and all Jake has done is show up for the pap photo ops. Lets see the bitch pull off the "I'm so in love with Reese and I've proposed 5 times" shit.
"Yes, but they acted as if the didn't know each other. They must have met at least once in their lives,in Matilda's baptism"
Busy accompanied Michelle to the Oscars too. So they probably saw each other a couple times. Jake was too busy with Reese to pay attention to people around him at the festival.
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"Yes, but they acted as if the didn't know each other. They must have met at least once in their lives,in Matilda's baptism"
Pictures - Busy was paying attention to the band (concert), Jake was posing for paparazzi and paying attention to the band (concert).
We can't know if Busy and Jake talked, said hello or ignored one another.
"We can't know if Busy and Jake talked, said hello or ignored one another."
No, we can't.
Judging by the way Jake had his back turned on Busy, I'd say they weren't chummy.
Matilda's baptism? Was Matilda baptised? Link, please.
Let's sum it up. Heath and Jake liked each other. Jake seemed not too fond of Michelle. Heath isn't among us anymore. Jake + Michelle probably no contact whatsoever or very little (and I'm generous here).
What's funny is that during the press conference Jake said it was an "amazing honor" to be the godfather of Heath's daughter. Not Heath's and Michelle's. LOL ;)
"Matilda's baptism? Was Matilda baptised? Link, please."
I don't know. I don't think there's a link to prove she was or wasn't. LOL. Someone should ask Michelle, Busy or Jake.
Jake was posing for paparazzi and paying attention to the band (concert). /
Jake was busy reeking. Reeke are so annoying together. We didn't see Busy being so glued to her hubby as Jake to Reese.
Zachary has an Irish wolfhound name Noah? I love him even more. :)
"Let's sum it up. . . "
I think we can all agree that Heath isn't with us any more. I'll give you that.
Bad 9:45 AM, you made me laugh.
I doubt that Matilda was baptized, since Heath and Michelle weren't married. It would be a peculiar priest or minister who would baptize an out of wedlock child.
Really? But then the church would "punish" the child and "put kid's soul at risk ".
Any child can be baptized, whether out of wedlock or not. The child is an individual.
Adam kisses Kris on the head (GIF file)
"Really? But then the church would "punish" the child and "put kid's soul at risk "."
Yeah.
But I doubt Michelle, Heath or Jake "believed" in these religious practices.
Jake was not "baptised", so I guess Jamie Lee and the two gay guys were present at his bris.
Admitedly, it is SO bewildering!
"Any child can be baptized, whether out of wedlock or not. The child is an individual."
Of what congregation or worship are you a member to assume this?
As a member of the UCC, liberal protestant denomination, we do not believe a child's soul is at risk if not baptised - baptism is simply a "welcome" into the worshiping community.
Even so, a UCC minister would not see the point in baptizing a child born out of wedlock, since there was not a stated committment to raise the child as a couple, nor the legal and economic committment. We do "believe" in marriage.
So what kind of godparents are Busy and Jake? I don't get it. Why did Heath & Michelle have godparents for their girl at all?
It's very simple. The point of having godparents is to have people who are committed to raising your child if both parents die before the kid is of age. The parents are making a public statement that this person(s) is who they want to raise their child.
As someone said earlier, I guess you'll have to ask them.
^^I see.
"As someone said earlier, I guess you'll have to ask them."
10:31 gave a pretty plausible reason.
"It's very simple. The point of having godparents is to have people who are committed to raising your child if both parents die before the kid is of age. The parents are making a public statement that this person(s) is who they want to raise their child."
This is not always true. There are a hundred ways to skin a cat, depending upon the culture in which you live.
10:31 is right, it's a very old tradition.
If we expect others to live by our own prescripts and assumptions we are fucking nuts.
10:31 is describing the long standing fuction of godparents in our western culture. I can only assume this is the context in which Heath and Michelle would employ the concept of godparent.
You can not/ should not make assumptons about who will, or should, care for your child if you die. Hence, a reason/tradition regarding godparents.
"So what kind of godparents are Busy and Jake?"
Busy is a very close friend to Michelle, so I think she's Matilda's godmother for real, active role in her life and all. I believe Jake’s godfather title is just symbolic, nothing more.
Jake is Matilda's real and only godfather. Heath didn't do symbolic.
Why is this so hard for some of you to accept? You don't have to like or understand, but I think you ought to just accept.
I have a godmother that I rarely see, but she is still my godmother. But I know also that if anything happens to my parents, she will then step in as expected.
Busy is a very close friend to Michelle, so I think she's Matilda's godmother for real, active role in her life and all. I believe Jake’s godfather title is just symbolic, nothing more./
Well, even if I were a symbolic godmother, I'd still make an effort to see the kid every now and then, esp. if one of her parents was a dear colleague and friend who died.
Totally off topic. But I predict that if Abbie Cornish is nominated for an Oscar (let alone wins), she and Ryan will breakup within a year.
Back to regular programming.
My godfaher would have never stepped in if something happened to my parents when I was an infant. I don't know why they chose him? LOL. I've no contact with him whatsoever now.
"Jake is Matilda's real and only godfather."
You don't know that. Heath had much, much closer friends than Jake. I don’t think they were friends anymore anyway.
Totally off topic. But I predict that if Abbie Cornish is nominated for an Oscar (let alone wins), she and Ryan will breakup within a year./
I hope so. Maybe Reese would take Ryan back? Two douches belong together.
"Why is this so hard for some of you to accept? You don't have to like or understand, but I think you ought to just accept."
Why is it so hard to underestand that you live in a dream world. Apparently you need company in your delusions. Sorry, m'am.
"You don't know that. Heath had much, much closer friends than Jake. I don’t think they were friends anymore anyway."
I think they kept in touch. But anyway, Heath's old pals, as nice as they probably are, aren't really daddy material. Jake is very tender and loves kids. Maybe that influenced Heath's decision?
"Why is it so hard to underestand that you live in a dream world. Apparently you need company in your delusions. Sorry, m'am."
LOL. What delusions? Jake for sure is some kind of godfather, be it the "real", "celeb" or "symbolic". Maybe we'll find out one day.
11:00 AM
No delusions.
We didn't make it up, Jake was chosen as Matilda's godfaher and no one can denied it.
"Jake is Matilda's real and only godfather."
You don't know that. Heath had much, much closer friends than Jake. I don’t think they were friends anymore anyway."
Gawd, you "Godfather" junkies oughtta see yr therapists.
Jake and Heath were never friends to begin with, jeeeze, they had nothing in common except their ages and BBMt roles and PR personnas while promoting the film.
Of course they were friends, ask Jake.
"But anyway, Heath's old pals, as nice as they probably are, aren't really daddy material. Jake is very tender and loves kids. Maybe that influenced Heath's decision?"
Are you serious? Do you know Heath’s friends? No, you’re just making assumptions. How can you say that when it's obvious that Jake doesn't give a crap about Matilda? Wake up and smell the coffee, hon.
11:03 AM #2
What Chris and Jake have in common?
I honestly don't think Heath and Michelle would lie about it and I thought Jake sounded very humbled that Heath chose him. Just my opinion.
"Of course they were friends, ask Jake."
Right. :D :D :D
"Jake and Heath were never friends to begin with, jeeeze, they had nothing in common except their ages and BBMt roles and PR personnas while promoting the film."
I agree!!!
"11:03 AM #2
What Chris and Jake have in common?"
Don't understand.
Heath and Jake both said that Jake was chosen as Matilda's godfather, real, not symbolic. And of course they were friends. Jake said one of the great things that came out of BBM was his friendship with Heath.
I wonder why some of you are so determined to deny the this. What is behind this drive to deny Jake's relationship with Heath and Matilda?
What is really bothering you?
Ok, they were no friends and Heath, Michelle and Jake lied he is M's godfather. Let's move on now!
"What is behind this drive to deny Jake's relationship with Heath and Matilda?"
There's no such thing - Jake's relationship with Heath and Matilda.
11:09 AM
"Jake and Heath were never friends to begin with, jeeeze, they had nothing in common except their ages and BBMt roles and PR personnas while promoting the film."
What Chris and Jake have in common?
I am telling you. Heath is some kind of threat. Maybe one of these days, somebody will come clean about why.
Heath and Jake both said that Jake was chosen as Matilda's godfather, real, not symbolic. And of course they were friends. Jake said one of the great things that came out of BBM was his friendship with Heath.
I wonder why some of you are so determined to deny the this. What is behind this drive to deny Jake's relationship with Heath and Matilda?/
I think it's a way to justify Jake's (what seems like) lack of involvment in the kid's life.
And I am telling you
I'm not going.
You're the best man I'll ever know.
There's no way I can ever go,
No, no, no, no way
Well we know what is behind the "need" and "drive" to project old-fashioned "family values" into the lives of Hollywood stars -
it just gets kinda boring for people who do not have this obsession.
"I think it's a way to justify Jake's (what seems like) lack of involvment in the kid's life."
No. More like it's the reality some of you refuse to accept.
"Who sez? He hates kids and just pretends to be "tender". He doesnt like anyone but himself."
Oh c'mon. I think he really likes Reese's kids tbh. I know many don't want to hear it, but I think so.
"And I am telling you
I'm not going.
You're the best man I'll ever know.
There's no way I can ever go,
No, no, no, no way"
thanks for singing "our song", big guy. . . (blushes)
"No. More like it's the reality some of you refuse to accept."
Maybe if Reese and Jake date for real, she'd have a problem with him spending time with pretty Michelle and her child who's father he liked and admired a lot? And if Jake wants this relationship to last, he doesn't respects that.
Did you think about that?
too many sob sisters posting this morning, Im going to the beach.
^^...he respects that...
Well, Jake does live 3000 miles away. So, it's hard to know what kind of relationship he has with Matilda. How often do we see pics of him with his niece? Again, she is 3000 miles away. A lack of pictures is not indicative of a lack of involvement. After all, we didn't see pics of Jake with Austin for almost two years, yet they obviously kept in touch.
After all, we get plenty of pics of him and Reese, yet people claim that does not prove they have a relationship.
"Did you think about that?"
They're not dating for real and you're just making excuses.
"They're not dating for real and you're just making excuses."
No, we don't know for a fact they are not dating.
What proof do you have that Jake and Heath were friends other than the Godfather thing that might've been Michelles idea for all we know?
Not saying it's the case. But I bet many women would be insecure if their younger, cute bf visited a cute woman and her child, his godchild, on a regular basis.
And before the female posters here attack me and say, they wouldn't be like that, please take your time and think about it before you answer.
11:31, go back and read all of the interviews/press done for BBM. Both Jake and Heath said they became friends.
Why is that so hard to stomach?
What proof do you have that Jake and Heath were friends other than the Godfather thing that might've been Michelles idea for all we know?Their interactions I'd say. And both, if they didn't lie that is, said they were friends. I also think they kept in touch after promo tour, for reasons that most here know. I think Heath chose Jake not Michelle.
"11:31, go back and read all of the interviews/press done for BBM. Both Jake and Heath said they became friends."
Did you ever hear about a thing called PR?
That's ridiculous 11:39, Heath didn't engage in that kind of BS. Besides there was no reason to make up a friendship.
"Did you ever hear about a thing called PR?"
Alright, I'll bite. If everything was a big, fat lie, why didn't Jake pay some kind of tribute to his most significant co-star to date? Did he want to distance himself from gay rumors? Did the suicide and drug speculations scare him off and he distanced himself?
I could see both Reese and Michelle discouraging Jake from bonding with Matilda, but for very different reasons.
(Besides Reese knows that fangirls would throw her ass off a cliff if it guaranteed Jake being with Matilda.)
Don't know if this in toungue-in cheek or not, but with Jake's abs looking unreal in POP I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the computer special effects dept . Maybe thaat's why its taking so long for POP?
Actors say a lot of condescending shit while promoting a movie.
Take a look of the many interviews of different co stars in films and they ALL seem the have become best friends,buddies and soul mates when they were shooting.
It's always the same PR disproportionate fantasy world that the public and the media seems to love
I could see both Reese and Michelle discouraging Jake from bonding with Matilda, but for very different reasons./
What reasons would that be?
(Besides Reese knows that fangirls would throw her ass off a cliff if it guaranteed Jake being with Matilda.)/
LOL. IA.
"Alright, I'll bite. If everything was a big, fat lie, why didn't Jake pay some kind of tribute to his most significant co-star to date? Did he want to distance himself from gay rumors? Did the suicide and drug speculations scare him off and he distanced himself?"
You just proved my point. Jake's silence and conduct after Heath died is one more thing that points to them not being friends, just PR BS.
"Don't know if this in toungue-in cheek or not, but with Jake's abs looking unreal in POP I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the computer special effects dept . Maybe thaat's why its taking so long for POP?"
Yes, I think it's the special effects why it'll take so long.
Michelle might be uncomfortable if she is aware of Jake's lust for Heath.
Re: Jake and Heath's friendship. Again. Heath didn't engage in that kind of BS. He didn't create relationships for the sake of PR. And you really don't think Heath would ask Jake to be godfather to his first born as some kind of publicity stunt?
Gee, Jake and Heath pretended really well to be fond of each other. Great actors. :)
Re: Ryan ans Abby:
There are already stories out of Cannes that Ryan is cheating on Abby, that didn't take long.
"Yes, I think it's the special effects why it'll take so long."
The special effects to make Jake's abs?
11:50, Jake's behavior after Heath's death doesn't prove or disprove anything. People behave badly all of the time. Death can bring out the best and the worst. Jake's behavior may be indicative of a lack of feeling; it could be indicative of very intense feeling. You may be assuming too much about how clearly he was thinking then.
We may never know. But I have lived in this world long enough to know that life is very rarely black or white.
"Michelle might be uncomfortable if she is aware of Jake's lust for Heath."
According to Ang, she forced the guys to kiss for real off screen to make her reaction more believable. And according to Michelle, she asked the guys after the kissiing to hold each other "to hold the moment". Michelle's a big ol' slasher. LOL. I don't think she was bothered by Heath's and Jake's little (I think harmless) "thing". Many thought Jake was gonna kiss Heath at the BAFTA's and Michelle was right next to them, looking really happy for Jake. LOL. Or at the q&a session when both looked adoringly at Heath from each side. ;) She knew and seemed ok with it. Probably because she knew it was a harmless crush on Jake's (maybe even on Heath's) part, probably as a result of the filming.
"There are already stories out of Cannes that Ryan is cheating on Abby, that didn't take long."
LOL. As expected. What a little fuck.
12:00 PM
I agree with everything you said, but a few words from Jake would have been the right thing.When a public figure dies,their collegues say something abouit it,it's a mater of respect.Again: it is a question of social manners.Jake could have done it and still be private about it.
" (maybe even on Heath's) part"
Maybe Heath was crushing on Jake????? lol
"Maybe Heath was crushing on Jake????? lol"
Hey, it could be. ;)
Reese has nothing to do with Jake's acquaintances, friends and family. She decides about Reeke photo ops and influences Jake's photo ops - that's it.
We know that Jake spends time with Maggie, Peter and Ramona in private, so it's possible that Jake visits Matilda in private, too.
12:09 you read a lot of slash dont you?
But 12:06, if Jake was "private" about it, then none of us would know about it.
"Reese has nothing to do with Jake's acquaintances, friends and family. She decides about Reeke photo ops and influences Jake's photo ops - that's it."
If they date for real she has to do with his family and friends. If they don't date then I believe Jake has also a say regarding photo ops.
Naw, that crush was one way. And Jake had it baaaaaaaaaaad.
"12:09 you read a lot of slash dont you?"
Actually, I don't. I just said it could be, based on my intuition. I could be wrong though.
"But I bet many women would be insecure if their younger, cute bf visited a cute woman and her child, his godchild, on a regular basis."
Jake is not Reese's bf, he's just Reese's gay business partner who can do whatever he wants to do as long as he's keeping a low profile.
Even so, a UCC minister would not see the point in baptizing a child born out of wedlock, since there was not a stated committment to raise the child as a couple, nor the legal and economic committment. We do "believe" in marriage.This is just plain made up. All children are baptized, regardless of whether their parents are married or not. Has nothing to do with "whether the parents are going to raise the child as a couple". It is the child's first step in his or her faith, in whatever faith it is. Even the Roman Catholic church does this, and certainly Protestant denominations do. Baptism is bringing a child into the faith, abandoned children, as well as those lucky enough to have parents, regardless of whether they are married or not. Since you asked, I am a member of UCC as well. I believe in predetermination, where I can only be responsible for myself and my own actions, and only God has the right to judge others, not me. :)
"I believe ... only God has the right to judge others, not me"
Oh no, that's terrible! LOL
Don't know if this in toungue-in cheek or not, but with Jake's abs looking unreal in POP I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the computer special effects dept . Maybe thaat's why its taking so long for POP? /
"For some time now, Ubisoft's overall agenda has been gravitating towards the movie industry. And though it used to be all about the usual movie tie-ins or licensing agreements, Ubi's CEO, Yves Guillemot, says the company is planning on taking up real estate in Hollywood's special effects market. "We want to create the capacity to develop special effects for movies. Those worlds have to blend more and more," said Guillemot to the Financial Times. "We don't want to make movies, but the expertise we have is key to creating special effects, graphics and animation."
Ubisoft is already on its way to achieving its goal, as the company is working closely with Twentieth Century Fox on James Cameron's new flick, Avatar (not to be confused with the cartoon), sharing development on both the movie and game. Not to allude the fact Ubisoft did a pretty good job on Jake Gyllenhaal's abs for the Prince of Persia movie."
What is it about Heath and Heath-related topics that seem to get people's panties and jocks in a twist?
We don't seem to get this kind of vehemence regarding other male relationships in Jake's life.
Is it Heath himself, or Jake's feelings for Heath, that's the real issue?
:x
"What is it about Heath and Heath-related topics that seem to get people's panties and jocks in a twist?
We don't seem to get this kind of vehemence regarding other male relationships in Jake's life.
Is it Heath himself, or Jake's feelings for Heath, that's the real issue?"
Im personally just fuckin' BORED outta my skull by this sentimental trash that's MY "real issue".
Of what congregation or worship are you a member to assume this?UCC Congregationalist, with Anglican/Episcopal/Celtic/Hindu/Buddhist/Taoist and Native American influences. Any other questions?
There is no "need" to project old-fashioned family values onto celebrities. People can observe and raise their children however they see fit, it's noones business but theirs. That said, some traditions are lovely things to observe. Heath chose his child's godfather, we didn't make this up. But we know you just like to stir the pot, and today's topic is baptism, and Heath of course, always.
12:29 PM, you got a point there. It seems poor Heath sure can get people's dander up. I'm curious why that is too.
^^I'm convinced it's the BBM distancing.
Whose BBM distancing? And what exactly do you mean by that?
Im personally just fuckin' BORED outta my skull by this sentimental trash that's MY "real issue".Ok then talk about what's interesting for you.
UCC Trinitarian Congregationalist, etc.
Let's be blunt. Why would Heath have wanted to distance himself from BBM? I want honest reasons why you think so. If so, why did he make Jake godfather and why did he invite Ang to the INT premiere in N.Y.? Isn't all that contradictive?
I didn't say Heath, I mean the whole Reeke PR thing, and the fans.
Some fans like the slash, but maybe the idea of a real relationship? Not so much. And I think it's fairly obvious about the Reekeing. Can I be of any further assistance?
"I didn't say Heath, I mean the whole Reeke PR thing, and the fans."
Not every poster here is a BBM fan.
12:54 PM
Jake wants to distance himself from his only "nominated for Oscar" movie?
Fans think Jake would be less gay with less BBM & Heath discussions? Is that what you're saying?
"Jake wants to distance himself from his only "nominated for Oscar" movie?
Fans think Jake would be less gay with less BBM & Heath discussions?"
I'm not 12:54 PM, but I think that's true with some of Jake's fans. If he has other successful movies he'll distance himself even more, it's logical.
I don't get it.
Distancing from your best work - why?
He may not want to - but may feel he has to, whether because of being ill-advised by PR, etc. Also, simply for career reasons, he may want to move on to other projects. He may feel he has to play this game to get ahead, whereas Heath seemed to take it or leave it, and had no use for these games, it seems. Does Reese like BBM? We never hear. I'd be so proud and be shouting from the rooftops that the academy award nominated actor who played Jack Twist was my bf.
Reese's opinion is irrelevant.
It isn't, it's part of the distancing.
"I don't get it.
Distancing from your best work - why?"
Maybe he just wants to move on?
He's probably grateful it opened doors for him and he'll never forget the experience. But life goes on.
1:12 PM, in an interview during Rendition promotion Reese said she thought Jake was gorgeous in BBM. ;)
True, but it was more than a door opener. It was huge in every way - socially and artistically a landmark in cinema. Moving on is one thing, but forgetting it, I can't believe he would or could.
^^And she's right. Boy's a looker.
Well, he was gorgeous in it. :) But it was so much more than that.
Ther is no such thing as "distancing". Life goes on, but you can't change the past and can't control the future.
An actor can't decide and can't change how his movies are perceived by the public.
Jake can't decide he doesn't want to be known as Jack Twist. He can try to get better and more memorable roles, but public decides which roles are memorable, an which are forgettable.
I dont think Jake wants to "move on" from BBMt, he's always played the BBMt card when it's to his advantage - but he's gotta look "straight" now - that's where the emphasis has been in his PR for awhile.
Despite he said to Ellen, re: the Interview lumberjack pix "that's not me"
Will be very intresting to watch future talk show promos.
"And she's right. Boy's a looker."
Depending upon the camera angle.
I don't know about you, but I think this convo just took a turn for the interesting in the last few posts. I agree with whoever said that Ang may be the best of the lot. ;)
"in an interview during Rendition promotion Reese said she thought Jake was gorgeous in BBM. ;)"
When he had Heath on top of him? That's when he looked his best. ;)
Same interview when she said "Rendition is a fun movie"? LOL, Reese is a dumb bitch.
^^Jake was beautiful in the movie and Heath too. They made a beautiful cuple. I even prefer Jack and Ennis to Jack and Rose (Titanic). :) You guys think some BBM fans are obsessed, but I think Titanic fans top them. There are some who'd like Kate to leave Sam Mendes and hook up with Leo.
Jake was beautiful in the movie and Heath too. They made a beautiful couple. I even prefer Jack and Ennis to Jack and Rose (Titanic).I totally, totally agree. Jack and Ennis an the ultimate romantic couple IMO too. :)
"Jake can't decide he doesn't want to be known as Jack Twist."
No, he can't.
"There are some who'd like Kate to leave Sam Mendes and hook up with Leo."
Leo looked like a kid next to Kate The Red Blooded Woman. Not sexy.
"I even prefer Jack and Ennis to Jack and Rose (Titanic)."
Slash spoiled me - I prefer M/M couples, straights are boring, lol.
Is there a LiveJournal community like "Waiting for Heath" or "Jake + Heath = OTP"? There should be one since this topic seems so popular.
^^There are enough sits for Heath. But some posters here want to talk Jake/Heath. So what? If you want to talk about something else go on. :)
Trust me, when all Jake's other movies come out, the promo tour and movies will be the main topic. Now we don't see much of Jake and talk about old stuff. So what?
Is there a LiveJournal community like "Waiting for Heath" or "Jake + Heath = OTP"? There should be one since this topic seems so popular
WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT? HEATH IS DEAD :(
^ no need to yell.
"no need to yell."
Yeah, but 2:02 is right.
So what?
Yeah, people should forget all about Heath because he's dead. Heath who?
Well Saturday Night Dead creeps out some people.
Besides, discussing Heath all the bobbleheads show up.
Did anyone else notice that Jake gets photographed way more in NYC than in L.A.? Why is that?
It makes me really sad to talk about dead people.
:(
What is a "bobblehead"?
Heath who? oh, the dead guy.
Didn't mean to yell, i didn't see the keyboard was on Caps LOCK and i was too lazy to change it after writing,
are we in peace now?
"What is a "bobblehead"?"
people who are too lazy to google.
"It makes me really sad to talk about dead people.
:("
I don't think it's sad, I think it's fun. Besides here you can talk about things you can't in other Jake related sites or blogs. That's cool.
It makes me really sad to talk about dead people.
:(
It's worst than see dead people
"people who are too lazy to google."
Ha, ha! You're very helpful.
(Don't bother, I'll google it.)
"what is a bobblehead"
from urban dictionary
"An abnormally obnoxious know-it-all, but brainless, individual who always has an answer, or factoid about everything, or "has done that too" but better than you. However, everyone knows better."
Also "a girl who gives head frequently to anybody who askes and some that don't"
Didn't mean to yell, i didn't see the keyboard was on Caps LOCK and i was too lazy to change it after writing,
are we in peace now?/
Even if you yelled on purpose, sometimes it's usful to make bobblehads understand! ;)
1:57 asked if there is a "Waiting for Heath" blog.
Since the poor kid is dead, what is what people would be waiting for?
Whatever Heath was or did in his private life, he took it with him and there is no reason to speculate about the future, unlike Austin&Jake whom they might still surprise us ;)
We do have Heath's remarkable work on films to remeber him,though
"An abnormally obnoxious know-it-all, but brainless, individual who always has an answer, or factoid about everything, or "has done that too" but better than you. However, everyone knows better." /
LOL. The ones who accuse others of being bobbleheads are probably the real bobbleheads.
Thanks for posting the definition.
"Did anyone else notice that Jake gets photographed way more in NYC than in L.A.?"
He does? I don't think so.
what is a bobblehead, again?
"Since the poor kid is dead, what is what people would be waiting for? "
Heath's reincarnation perhaps?
^^bobbleheadism, demonstrated.
"Whatever Heath was or did in his private life, he took it with him and there is no reason to speculate about the future, unlike Austin&Jake whom they might still surprise us ;)"
So THAT's why you want people to stop talking about Heath? Finally someone made it clear, it’s cause of Jaustin, geez, you're so obvious.
"unlike Austin&Jake whom they might still surprise us ;)"
Nah, I doubt it. But it would sure be nice. Jake & Austin sounds much better than Jake & Reese.
as easy to i.d. a bobblehead as it is a troll or a babbler but I am too refined to use the language needed to explain.
So THAT's why you want people to stop talking about Heath? Finally someone made it clear, it’s cause of Jaustin, geez, you're so obvious.
You are just looking for a fight, but i'm gonna answer you anyway.
Waiting for Heath/Jake would be possible is Heath were still alive, since he isn't (sadly) all we have is waiting for Jaustin but i bet there is a lot of more guys in toothy's life ;)
and FYI, i've would have loved a Heath/Jake big coming out together, so shut your accusatory mouth >:(
^^That's the funniest thing I've heard all day - thanks for the laugh! ;)
Oops sorry, my comment at 2:47 was in response to 2:44's. I hope we've made his/her/its day interesting by alleviating the boredom their short attention span gives them.
"so shut your accusatory mouth >:("
Nah, you can stfu if you want. :)
""so shut your accusatory mouth >:("
Nah, you can stfu if you want. :)"
Guys, kiss and make up and share some Jakey lovin. :D
Uncle Jake is the bestest uncle in the world.
The person who runs this blog has made it obvious that she is more than okay with people discussing Heath and Jake relationship with him.
I think 2:33 may have finally hit on the real issue. I am surprised that Jake's attraction to Heath is such a problem for people, unless they are afraid that it implies that: Jake was/is not in love with Austin or that Heath (as a possible partner for Jake) is better. That is to say, there is some kind of Heath vs. Austin subtext underlying the attempts to dismiss any kind of relationship between Heath and Jake.
Godfather? My mama's gonna be in the remake!
Jake who?
(fuck off unless you wanna whollop where it reely hurts - and stop saying shit about my Da!)
"That is to say, there is some kind of Heath vs. Austin subtext underlying the attempts to dismiss any kind of relationship between Heath and Jake."
You don't know nuthin' about nuthin', Alma: let it go.
ha, ha 3:30 PM !!
i bet YOU are 2:33 PM!! : DD
Heath is no threat to anybody, some people just don't think there was more than a friendship/working relationship between them.
And to tell you the truth, i'm glad for Heath.Jake seems to be a major bitch in love matters
I am 3:30 and I am not 2:33. It is possible for more than one person to make a similar observation. And I think both of us are referring to the people who want to deny that any kind of friendship between Jake and Heath. I also don't think there was an actual sexual relationship between Jake and Heath. I am pretty sure Heath was straight.
But I am also pretty sure Jake is gay and was in lust, and if Heath were gay, Jake would have gone for it. Austin who?
"And to tell you the truth, i'm glad for Heath.Jake seems to be a major bitch in love matters"
I think Jake is a choirboy compared to Heath in the love/sex department. Even if they had hooked up (which they didn’t) no chance in hell Jake would’ve broken Heath’s heart or anything of the sort. No worries there. ;)
"And to tell you the truth, i'm glad for Heath.Jake seems to be a major bitch in love matters"
It's his total jerk-off screwed-up father that was the kiss of death for a happy and healthy gay sex life for his boy.
I pray every night that Jake find a good shrink.
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