Sunday, 29 March 2009

Gay Cowboys


A 33-year-old rancher, Mr. Glover comes from a family that has worked the land around Lusk for generations. His father still runs 300 head of cattle.

Seated at a table in the smoky Outpost Cafe alongside Highway 85, Mr. Glover laid out the story of a typical ranch-country boyhood: herding, branding, culling and haying, horses hobbled on picket lines and calves pulled forcibly from their mother's bodies during spring calving. Every summer Mr. Glover sets out with his brother in a panel truck carrying their two quarter horses, to compete in calf and steer roping competitions. "I never had any intention of leaving the cowboy lifestyle," Mr. Glover said. "Ranching is who I am."

Yet next month Mr. Glover will quit Lusk and that part of himself in order to move to the bright lights of Lander, Wyo. (population 6,864). "I don't really want to do it," Mr. Glover said. Yet he has to, he explained, if he ever wants to live his life openly. Like Jack Twist, the rodeo-loving character portrayed by Jake Gyllenhaal in "Brokeback Mountain", Derrick Glover is gay.

"They always define it as coming out of the closet, but I don't consider myself to be out of the closet," Mr. Glover explained. There is a reason for that, he said. "Where I live, you can't really go out and be yourself. You couldn't go out together, two guys, as a couple and ever be accepted. It wasn't accepted in the past, it's still not, and I don't think it ever will be." That he and some of the others interviewed for this article were willing to be named and photographed was not without social and even physical risk.
***

When Mr. Ledger's character defiantly asserts, "I ain't queer," following a drunken coupling with Mr. Gyllenhaal's character in their sheepherder's tent, it seems clear that as much as he fears the loss of his cowboy machismo, he is equally scared to relinquish his physical safety once the two come down from Brokeback Mountain.

"I grew up with that same kind of fear and conflict," Ben Clark, a fourth- generation rancher from Jackson said on Tuesday. "Growing up, I never even dreamed that a real cowboy would be gay," Mr. Clark added. It is a belief in which he is not alone.

"I awakened to my same-sex attraction when I was 12," said Mr. Clark, who is now 42. "But I had no idea what to do about it, ever. I was raised in a ranching, rodeo world - wrangling, packing horses, riding bucking stock, working in hunting camps - but always with the sense that I had to conceal who I was because cowboys could never be gay."

The experience was "extremely, extremely lonely," Mr. Clark said, leaving him feeling so isolated that he more than once contemplated suicide. "I could not accept being gay because of the stereotypes that were drilled into me," he explained. "Gay men are emotionally weak. They are not real men. They are like women."

Like Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist in the film, Mr. Clark dated women for a time, bowing to the pressure to be "normal" although, unlike them, he never married and led a double life. There's a joke out here about how one goes about finding a gay man on the frontier. The punch line is deadpan: "Look for the wife and kids."

Fortunately, Mr. Clark said, "I never did get married, because I never wanted to hurt a woman like that."

"When I was in my 20's, I worked in a hunting camp for three years as a wrangler," Mr. Clark said. "I heard the jokes, but I kept my feelings inside. One of the hunters asked me, 'Have you been married before?' I told him no. And he gave me a look and said, 'Most of the guys who aren't married by now are getting involved with being hairdressers.'"
***

"I know there are a lot of gay guys in Cheyenne, and it's pretty much accepted, in a way," said Julie Tottingham, the manager of Corral West Ranchwear in Cheyenne, the city's largest purveyor of boot-cut Wranglers, ostrich-skin Tony Lamas and broad-brim buffalo-felt Stetsons. "But at the same time, a lot of our customers would be offended if a gay guy was in here shopping," Ms. Tottingham said. "They'd feel it's an insult to the cowboy way of life."

Among the locals who got an opportunity to see "Brokeback Mountain" at the screening in Jackson was Jade Beus, an openly gay former cowboy raised on a sheep ranch in Soda Springs, Idaho. "I had more or less that same experience," said Mr. Beus, referring to the characters' struggles. "Trying to find self-acceptance literally took me to a place where I thought I was such a bad person I once put a pistol to the roof of my mouth."

Mr. Beus, who now owns a heating and plumbing contracting company, is not certain what it was that prevented him from taking his own life. "But something clicked over," he said. "I believe greatly in a higher power and I realized He dealt me this particular hand," Mr. Beus said. "I'm a man's man. I'm not feminine at all. Other people might slander me for who I am, but I made a decision a long time ago that I'm not going through life hating myself because I love men."

Source: Cowboys, Just Like in the Movie, The New York Times,
December 18, 2005

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Anonymous said...

people think he was hot for heath but he was mostly dealing with new contacts.

LOL. Who knows?

Anonymous said...

Didn't Jake's erection also know about the problem with the contacts. Or was it confused because it was so close to Heath?

Anonymous said...

ONTD has pics of Ryan Phillipe in South Africa filming a new movie. That means those poor kids are stuck with the Chin full time until he gets back. I'm sure we can expect many Reeke photo ops featuring the kids along with Reeke PR stories about what a good full time mom Chinorimca is.

Anonymous said...

Gods are for worshipping, not having a real relationship with.

Anonymous said...

What Jake could have learned from Heath:

How to have unprotected sex, resulting in an unplanned child.

How to break up with your child's mother.

How to immerse yourself so deeply in a movie role that you have trouble coming down from it and sleeping.

How to go to hip bars around NYC and hit on women.

How to make so-callled friends with the Olsen twins and other party types.

Anonymous said...

Be honest. Jake and Heath or Jake and Austin. Jake and Heath, hands down."

J/H, no question. Heath would’ve kept Jake on his toes in his personal life and his career which is a good thing. Jake needs to be stimulated. I don’t think he would allow Jake to beard while he was his dirty little secret. Jake’s career choices would’ve been much more interesting if Heath had any influence on him.

Anonymous said...

The Bang Bang Club sounds like it's going to be an interesting film with Ryan and Taylor Kitsch. I'm glad Ryan is going the indie route, and keeping his private life low-key, & not exploiting his kids.

Anonymous said...

But wasn't Jake considered god-like not so long ago? And if so, wouldn't it make more sense for two gods(or a god (Heath) and a demi-god (Jake)) to be together than the god-like and a mere mortal?

Since there are no gods available that are Jake's age, maybe he does need to consider an elder god. Is George Clooney still available?

Anonymous said...

And what could Jake learn from boring ole’ Austin? How to be plain and star in shows like OTH? Seems Jake is ashamed of him and would rather attach his name to bitches like Chinny than a third rate actor.

George Clooney said...

YESSSSSS!

Waldo said...

*caugh*

Austin said...

Monday, March 30, 2009

Some of the SGP gang's favorite actors

Well, after a long sunny day of shooting on the short film...
(Yep... Nick and kt got a little sunburned...)

We are sitting around enjoying a couple of freezer pops and shooting the breeze when
the topic comes up of who were a couple of actors that inspired us
to get into this industry? I just happened to have a camera nearby...

Maybe Nick's is a little tongue in cheek...
kt

Hilarie, Nick and Austin - vblog

Anonymous said...

3:09, everything you posted just makes Heath that much more interesting (even the parts that aren't true or wildly exaggerated).

And 3:11, you are so correct.

Anonymous said...

3:40.. the problem with this argument is that it looks like Jake chose Austin... so maybe the problem is not Austin (or Reese / CAA / Bruckheimer / parents etc) but Jake himself.

Everybody tends to date within their own level, so if Austin is thrid rate.. well then maybe so is Jake, but just with better connections, plastic surgery and agents.

Anonymous said...

I love you 3:20.

What could Jake learn from Heath:

how to make your own film choices (Candy, TDK, Parnassas)

how to direct

how to start your own creative company (the masses)

how to live on your own terms (Brooklyn, Soho)

how to be your own man

Anonymous said...

^^So true! :)

Anonymous said...

3:46.. well thankfully Jake didn't learn how to be a complete fuckwit and leave a small child fatherless because he can't stay away from the drugs.

Better to be a living also ran than a dead legend I would think.

Anonymous said...

Love you too, 3:46 PM. ;)

Anonymous said...

Jake is more ashamed of Austin being male than being on OTH.

Anonymous said...

3:51 PM no worries, Jake leaned nothing at all from Heath, that includes the good things. There were plenty of qualities in Heath, much more than flaws.

vblog said...

who were a couple of actors that inspired us to get into this industry

Austin - Chance the Gardener, Peter Sellers in "Being There"

Anonymous said...

^^Austin, I love you! :)

Anonymous said...

Peter Sellers, ewwwww!

Anonymous said...

Jake needs someone interesting, fiery and with character. Austin has none of these attributes, he's just a huge blah. Did anyone say George Clooney? I completely agree.

Anonymous said...

3:46.. well thankfully Jake didn't learn how to be a complete fuckwit and leave a small child fatherless because he can't stay away from the drugs.

Maybe MW shouldn't have "trapped" him (that's what I think she did) after knowing the guy only a few months and he worked on 3! films during that time. Heath never seemed really into her, she probably was just a rebound after Naomi Watts. Michelle probably saw a "soon to happen" break up and BAM she got pregnant. Look at pictures of Heath with Michelle and compare them to pics with Naomi Watts or Heather Graham. HUGE difference. The fling got pregnant. No disrespect to Michelle, but that's probably what happened. No wonder he looked so miserable most of the time, add to that possible other problems/issues he most likely had.

I guess I want to say everyone makes mistakes, Jake, Heath, Anne, Michelle, Austin... Jake can correct his mistake and break with Reese, stop famewhoring and start choosing interesting films again after PoP. Anne should try to stay away from criminals. And Michelle, when she falls that hard for another guy again, should try to avoid trapping him, it almost never works. Heath's mistake was lethal, unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

4:06.. that's really abit harsh isn't it. How do you know anything about Austin, as he's so 'third rate' there's little to no information in the public domain about him.

From the little we see, he seems like he's a fairly interesting guy, quirky, intelligent, and a little pretentious. We also know that's he's got some fairly significant physical attributes (and lets not kid ourselves that that can't override severe character defects when choosing a partner). Also, don't Toothy and his partner have a fairly tempestuous relationship according to Ted.

All in all I think you should lay off Austin, seems like he's never done anything to you except be the object of desire for little Jakey.

Anonymous said...

It won't override the severe character flaws, but maybe some of the lesser ones. ;)

In fairness, Michelle probably was so crazy about Heath she maybe threw caution to the wind and ended up pregnant, I think Anne didn't know about her guy. Jake's PR is well aware of their mistake in judgement, but won't admit defeat. ;)

Anonymous said...

If you think Jake should love someone based on their status in HW then aren't you just saying you want Jake to be as big of phoney as the Chin and others of their ilk in HW? Ever think that maybe Jake loves Austin because he's not like everyone else in HW? Can you imagine if Jake really was part of a power couple and not faking it?

Anonymous said...

Jake's PR is well aware of their mistake in judgement, but won't admit defeat.

Sadly that seems to be the case. Seems like they'd rather see Jake go down with the Titanic than let him be himself and get on that lifeboat.

Anonymous said...

"From the little we see, he seems like he's a fairly interesting guy, quirky, intelligent, and a little pretentious."

You mean that's what YOU see. I don't see that at all.

He didn't do anything to me, he's just BORING. And I shouldn't do anything, ok? Tnx.

Anonymous said...

Some of you need to get your info. straight before you try to take down Heath.

He died from an accidental mix of prescription, not illegal, drugs. Some of the drugs found had been in his system for more than 24 hours. It's not like he took them all at once. The same kind of mistake kills thousands every year. The man was taking drugs to help with his back pain and insomnia.

You know, hating your superiors will not make you better.

Anonymous said...

He died from an accidental mix of prescription

I know this wll get deleted, but if you believe that, well ....

Anonymous said...

"You know, hating your superiors will not make you better."

Give me a break !

Anonymous said...

I know this wll get deleted, but if you believe that, well ....

What do you believe?

You think the Medical Examiners lied?

Anonymous said...

4:33 PM *yaawn*

Fact are facts. You might not like it but well...

Anonymous said...

Maybe MW shouldn't have "trapped" him (that's what I think she did) after knowing the guy only a few months and he worked on 3! films during that time. Heath never seemed really into her, she probably was just a rebound after Naomi Watts.

^^
well, Heath used to say she was her "soulmate" (what a stupid word that is) and that being a father change his way of life forever.
Obviously, it was a big fat lie. H/M lasted too little for being a serious couple but at that time (BBM promotion and awards season) being portraited as a family man and new daddy was suitable for him.

But, of course, a straight actor can fake all he wants.

The only ones who are trashed are the gay ones who pretend to be straight.

Anonymous said...

4:24, you need to go back and read the posts. We are not talking about status but the qualities of the person. Sometime the qualities coincide with someone of higher status, sometimes not. Austin possesses neither the status nor (and especially) the qualities.

You ever think maybe Jake "loves" Austin because he doesn't challenge him, doesn't inspire him, but is a willing doormat. Austin is dull, but safe. He'll put up with the bearding nonsense. Heath would have pulled Jake out of his comfort zone, and that's what he needs. And even Ted said that Jake wished Austin was more like George Clooney.

Anonymous said...

You know, hating your superiors will not make you better.

Hear, hear!

Anonymous said...

"Ever think that maybe Jake loves Austin because he's not like everyone else in HW? "

Jake doesn't love Austin!



"I love you 3:20.

What could Jake learn from Heath:

how to make your own film choices (Candy, TDK, Parnassas)

how to direct

how to start your own creative company (the masses)

how to live on your own terms (Brooklyn, Soho)

how to be your own man"

AND
How to be a junky too

Anonymous said...

well, Heath used to say she was her "soulmate" (what a stupid word that is) and that being a father change his way of life forever.

Maybe he wanted to convince himself that? I think he planned to make it work, but he just couldn't.

Anonymous said...

You think the Medical Examiners lied?

no, but you can be just as addicted to prescription drugs as street drugs. Its just easier to score with prescription.

Anonymous said...

No, it isn't.

Anonymous said...

no, but you can be just as addicted to prescription drugs as street drugs. Its just easier to score with prescription.

See, but there's no way to know if he was addicted to them. We know he was clean of illegal drugs and booze when he died, according to reports he was clean of that stuff for some time before he passed. Yes, maybe he had a problem with pill addiction too...or maybe not.

Anonymous said...

George, this is my girlfriend Sarah Larson, wouldn't allow Jake to beard? Haaaaaaaa. Ditto for Heath, who seemed to be out to prove he was straight by having Matilda.

Seems to me Ted said TT wishes his boyfriend was more like George was exactly for the reason that George is willing to beard and play the HW game, and Austin is not.

Anonymous said...

From what I can see, Jake's more of the doormat.

Austin, gets to hang out with Jake and have lots of sex (can't be a bad thing), probably has full reign of the credit cards and gets to live in a really nice HW house, also gets to pursue his own career (maybe not A-list, but looks like its fun and free of financial repsonsibility), messing around with hi Wilmington pals, making tv movies, and hanging out in prime south american resorts.

Reese, uses Jake to booster her career, make her look hot and sexy and earn extra $$$$s.

Jake, has to play the bf with Reese, probably pander to Austin's diva like demands (just to get laid) and work his ass of on three stressful film sets where the films will either never be released or are constantly delayed. All while seeing his fandom and credibility disappear down the plug hole.

Who sounds as if they're getting screwed in this scenario?

Anonymous said...

"You ever think maybe Jake "loves" Austin because he doesn't challenge him, doesn't inspire him, but is a willing doormat. Austin is dull, but safe. He'll put up with the bearding nonsense. Heath would have pulled Jake out of his comfort zone, and that's what he needs. And even Ted said that Jake wished Austin was more like George Clooney."

First I never thought Jake loves Austin, secondly It's clear Jake made his choice and you can't fix it!
All these speculations about the "ideal men" for him are so ridiculous, the guy will never be in couple with a men to begin with , it's seemingly not what he wants. Reese or a other woman , he will choose the "safe" familly .

Anonymous said...

"But, of course, a straight actor can fake all he wants.

The only ones who are trashed are the gay ones who pretend to be straight."

wahhh, wahhh, wahhh

The bearding should be trashed and so should the ones who do it. Heath has nothing to do with this, leave him out of it. He didn’t make Jake beard, he does it all by himself. No one’s holding a gun to his head, he's an adult, ffs.

Anonymous said...

Once again, the facts: Heath had traces of 6 pills in his system. Pills that had been taken over time. There was no evidence of addiction. The bottles found of his drugs were basically full.
The prescriptions were for anxiety, insomnia and back pain.

I can't believe some of your are stupid enough to try to contradict the Medical Examiner of New York.

Yes, I have heard the rumors about Heath's cocaine use. I also know of the rumors about Jake. There has never been evidence of sustance abuse in the case of either man. And whatever illegal drugs Heath may have taken, all of the reports I read indicated that he had stopped that use long before he died.

Try again.

Anonymous said...

What could Jake learn from Heath:

how to make your own film choices (Candy, TDK, Parnassas)

how to direct

how to start your own creative company (the masses)

how to live on your own terms (Brooklyn, Soho)

how to be your own man"

AND
How to be a junky too


^^^

mmm...no. Heath couldn't have teach anyone HOW to be a druggie, he died because of it ,remember?
Robert D.Jr. can be a better teacher.

Anonymous said...

Ditto for Heath, who seemed to be out to prove he was straight by having Matilda.

LOL. This is ridiculous. I don't think he planned to have Matilda at all. If he wanted kids, he would have had them with Naomi with whom he was much more in love with. They both broke up because he wasn't ready to settle down.

Anonymous said...

Touche!

Anonymous said...

^^Heath and Namoi broke up just a about a month before shooting for BBM begun.

Anonymous said...

"Austin, gets to hang out with Jake and have lots of sex (can't be a bad thing), probably has full reign of the credit cards and gets to live in a really nice HW house, also gets to pursue his own career (maybe not A-list, but looks like its fun and free of financial repsonsibility), messing around with hi Wilmington pals, making tv movies, and hanging out in prime south american resorts.

Reese, uses Jake to booster her career, make her look hot and sexy and earn extra $$$$s.

Jake, has to play the bf with Reese, probably pander to Austin's diva like demands (just to get laid) and work his ass of on three stressful film sets where the films will either never be released or are constantly delayed. All while seeing his fandom and credibility disappear down the plug hole.

Who sounds as if they're getting screwed in this scenario?"


This scenario is BORING

Anonymous said...

Who says Jake loves Austin? Gimme a break with the fanfic.

Anonymous said...

He couldn't have been entirely over her?

Anonymous said...

"The bearding should be trashed and so should the ones who do it. Heath has nothing to do with this, leave him out of it. He didn’t make Jake beard, he does it all by himself. No one’s holding a gun to his head, he's an adult, ffs."

I think people who trash someone by speculation should be trashed too.

Anonymous said...

Robert D.Jr. can be a better teacher.

True. He was a heavy druggie and is still alive.

Anonymous said...

I think people who trash someone by speculation should be trashed too.

We are all specualting here about Jake, Heath, Reese, Austin. No one here knows actual facts.

Anonymous said...

The bearding should be trashed and so should the ones who do it. Heath has nothing to do with this, leave him out of it. He didn’t make Jake beard, he does it all by himself. No one’s holding a gun to his head, he's an adult, ffs.





So, it's ok to pretend having a family life as long as you are a real straight guy, but it's only wrong doing it when you are gay?

Lies are lies, both of them tryed/tries to be what HW wants to see in their male stars.

Anonymous said...

"Who says Jake loves Austin? Gimme a break with the fanfic."

Some still hope but no kidding where is the "love" in all of that!

Jake don't care of him like he didn't care of Heath. The poor guy died alone , this the only reallity which exist!

Anonymous said...

Robert D.Jr. can be a better teacher.

True. He was a heavy druggie and is still alive."

He STILL is a druggie--but more functional than before. But he's still using.

Anonymous said...

4:49, #1 that is not what Ted meant, and you know it. Austin doesn't beard because he doesn't need to yet. Nobody of importance knows or cares about him.

Heath did not need to prove he was straight. You could probably fill a stadium with all of the women he had been with. And this man played gay character twice in his career.

I agree with 4:49, #2 that Austin is a leech. The best thing for Jake would be for him to get rid of both of those bloodsuckers (Austin and Reese) and start over.

Anonymous said...

Honestly, who here really thinks Heath got Michelle pregnant just to prove he is straight knowing BBM will come out? That the only purpose for Matilda's existense is that her dad wanted to prove his staightess? Because I read this argument here a couple of times. Honestly who thinks that?

Anonymous said...

I can't believe some of your are stupid enough to try to contradict the Medical Examiner of New York.

Exactly, stupid, and their spelling doesn’t hide their lack of intelligence either. They love hating on a dead man poor sobs, that's all. Facts? Screw them. It's better to make up their own personal bullshit and spew it here.

Anonymous said...

hey, I'm 4:49 #2, and I don't think that Austin is a leech, just not a doormat. Its just from what I've seen in the past few months, Austin is out there living his life, maybe totally separate from Jake for all we know (apart from the odd cycle ride of course). I was trying to point out that painting Austin as some sad sap who's hanging around for Jake doesn't appear to be the case. (although i do think he probably does have full reign on the credit cards, and why the heck not eh?)

Anonymous said...

So, it's ok to pretend having a family life as long as you are a real straight guy, but it's only wrong doing it when you are gay?

I don't think he pretended. I think he tried, but he just wasn't that into Michelle, who I think was just a rebound after Naomi.
I think their relationship was a mistake, the only good that came out of it is Matilda.

Anonymous said...

By all accounts, Heath fell in love with Michelle while filming BBM. He wasn't faking his relationship. And we all know he loved his child. He wasn't faking that either. He died from a mistake, not chronic substance abuse.

You are going have to do better.

Anonymous said...

Why should Heath pretend with Michelle or any other woman? This is fucking ridiculous. He was straight.

Anonymous said...

By all accounts, Heath fell in love with Michelle while filming BBM. He wasn't faking his relationship. And we all know he loved his child. He wasn't faking that either. He died from a mistake, not chronic substance abuse.

Yes, he fell in love with her, but I don't think him being in love with her lasted for too long. Like it didn't last with all of his previous girlfriends. He just wasn't a guy for a long term relationship. And on of his gf's getting pregnant didn't change that either.

Anonymous said...

What is it about Austin that generates so much hate? I think it is because all you Austin haters can see that he really is with Jake and you're working overtime to make us think Jake posssibly couldn't be interested in him.

This always happens when there is a lull in the reeking too, leads me to think some of this is coming from babblers and trolls.

Anonymous said...

Honestly, who here really thinks Heath got Michelle pregnant just to prove he is straight knowing BBM will come out? That the only purpose for Matilda's existense is that her dad wanted to prove his staightess? Because I read this argument here a couple of times. Honestly who thinks that?


^^^

For how things turned out between H & M, i think the pregancy was accidental and Heath just let himself go with the situation.

MW seems like a nice,quiet young girl and the idea of having a baby is always thrilling at the begining because nobody really understands the difficulties that come along whith taking care of child.
Heath thought he could become a family man, i think he really thought he could make it work,and that new life he was building with his gf and baby was very comfortable during movie promotion,but of course,he got tired very soon of playing house and being with the same girl every day.

He didn't ask MW to get pregnant to save him for gay publicity but i think that his happiness about it was more because of the image he would get than the thrill of his "new life".

Heath was a big liar too but i think he was more the type who lie to themselves than the others.
Anyway, poor guy :(

Anonymous said...

What is it about Austin that generates so much hate? I think it is because all you Austin haters can see that he really is with Jake and you're working overtime to make us think Jake posssibly couldn't be interested in him.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Amazing how such an unimportant, c-list doormat can get people so riled up.

aww said...

(((Austin)))

Anonymous said...

I can only speak for myself but Austin doesnt get me riled up in the least, he's so dull that I cant even summon the effort.

Anonymous said...

^

summon the will

Anonymous said...

I can only speak for myself but Austin doesnt get me riled up in the least, he's so dull that I cant even summon the effort.

oh sweety, just the fact that you posted that little entry tells me you're ever so slightly riled. Bless.

Anonymous said...

5:18 PM # 2, I agree with your post, except that I think Heath was genuinely thrilled when Matilda was born. Ang Lee said that Heath was over the moon being a dad.

Anonymous said...

No what really generates the traffic is discussions of Heath.
Austin was brought up as a comparison, and was found lacking.
Not all of us love Austin or have blinders on where he is concerned.

You like to think some of us are "riled up." No, we are just speaking the truth. Jake can do better.

Anonymous said...

This may seem an odd comparison, but Jake and Austin remind me a little of Brad and Jen before Angelina. Everyone fawned over them as the "golden" couple, but anyone without blinders could see that Aniston was in no way at Pitt's level.

Then along comes Angelina. A movie (not tv) actress who definately matched (if not overmatched) Pitt for looks and sex appeal. Pitt finally found the freak he was meant to be with who also just happened to be intelligent, fearless and challenging. The rest is history as they say.

I just have a feeling that Jake has yet to meet his "Angelina" (whether male or female)and when he does...

Anonymous said...

Oh jings, I've heard it all now, Jake's much more the 'Jennifer' in that little set up than Austin, Heath, or God forbid, Reese.

Anonymous said...

I just have a feeling that Jake has yet to meet his "Angelina" (whether male or female)and when he does...

^^
I always thought it would be Heath, but then...

:(

Anonymous said...

O gawd romper room Tuesday!

think I'll start my own blog.

bottom line:

Jake is gay, Heath is not. Heathens get a life!

Austin is gay, but he's a total idiot. Jake, get a life1

Reese has a penchant for comedy, she is good at "making faces" - why has she not hosted SNL? On the other hand, she is a pimple on the face of the universe and should use her strange chin and forehead and stringy hair to do comedy only! in other words, keep outta my face, you pervy lil twitch. getta life!

SO - bottom line is I am waiting for Jake to come out! (and thus be stricken by the axe of luv)

OH - I thought that was the POINT
of WTF2.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Jake and Heath would've been relationship material but the fucking would've been dynamite.

Anonymous said...

5:50, OH MY GOD, and I would have been first in line for the sex tapes. You know it would be grade A freaky.

Anonymous said...

5:41, Austin equal to Pitt????

I am sorry, but you need new glasses and better medication.

Anonymous said...

LOL! Let me try again:

5:46 PM

One of the points of WFT2.

Anonymous said...

"I don't think Jake and Heath would've been relationship material but the fucking would've been dynamite.

if heath was gay which he was not.

Anonymous said...

5:46, don't you hear about Heath and his twinks? Not so sure he was totally straight.

Anonymous said...

Heath is STR8. No twinks.

Anonymous said...

5:59 what makes you so sure? We don't know Jake is gay either. We just believe it.

But I am sure 5:50 meant what could be if Heath were gay or bi. And I would be second in line for the sex tape.

Anonymous said...

6:03, that's not what I heard.

Anonymous said...

"if heath was gay which he was not."

I meant that hypothetically, duh.

Anonymous said...

Heath liked women mostly, but he probaly experimented with men too. The twink BI might be true.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, why do I get the feeling that just as some people need for Jake to be gay exclusively (no possibility of being bi), there are some who need for Heath to be exclusively straight?

Heath probably was straight, but he could have been bi. Why is the possibility such an issue?

Anonymous said...

Heath probably was straight, but he could have been bi. Why is the possibility such an issue?

It isn't for me. I don't think he was "totally" straight.

Anonymous said...

I would be very surprised if Heath liked boys. He's such an Aussie.

Anonymous said...

No indication at all that H wasnt totally str8.

BIs? oh come on.

Anonymous said...

I would be very surprised if Heath liked boys. He's such an Aussie.

Huh? Please explain!

Anonymous said...

That sex tape would've made Jake filthy rich, a lot of $$$$ for Momma and Papa G, no need for PoP or the bearding with Chinormica. if only....

Anonymous said...

BIs? oh come on.

Don't most of us here believe (most of) Ted's TT BI's?

Anonymous said...

That sex tape would've made Jake filthy rich, a lot of $$$$ for Momma and Papa G, no need for PoP or the bearding with Chinormica. if only....

LMAO.

Anonymous said...

"Why is the possibility such an issue?"

It's "such an issue" because it's so BBMt slashy and that annoys alot of peeps, including me.

come on, everybody's a little bit queer, get over it!

Anonymous said...

Heath probably was straight. If he was bi, Jake would have wrapped himself around Heath like a vise. Everywhere you saw Heath, the Jake hump would have been attached. It would have taken the jaws of life to pry him loose.

Anonymous said...

"Huh? Please explain!

I hate people who say: HUH?

no way I would respond.

Anonymous said...

". . . Everywhere you saw Heath, the Jake hump would have been attached. It would have taken the jaws of life to pry him loose."

ITA

Anonymous said...

Everywhere you saw Heath, the Jake hump would have been attached. It would have taken the jaws of life to pry him loose.

rotfl, so true

Anonymous said...

no way I would respond.

If you don't want to, you don't have to!

Anonymous said...

"HUH?" is a quote from Ennis. Why would you hate it?

And I see again the troll who writes "definately" (incorrect "a") and in paragraphs.

Anonymous said...

The "Jake hump." I can see that. That is so sad, funny and true.

Anonymous said...

I have always been curious as to why any discussion of Jake's obvious attraction to Heath bothers some so much. Some sound so threatened by it. How can it be any more boring than discussing Jake and Austin. Of these three, Heath has been the most multi-faceted and talented.

March 31, 2009 12:20 PM


First, there is no 'obvious attraction' that so many talk about. Jake looks like that at a lot of men & women. Peter, Heath, Jen, Penelope and the list goes on....
People think Austin is the bf because of Lakers 1, Ted and the chemistry they have, the odd way Austin disappears for years on end and a lots of stuff too many to mention including sharing clothes initially.
I think the Heath/Jake fanfic is brought up when there's nothing else to talk about. That maybe fun for some but I think it's disrespectful to a great actor who was a free spirit and a gorgeous man who passed away tragically.

Anonymous said...

So, positing that Heath was perhaps not completely straight is disrespectful?

Just how, praytell, is saying maybe someone is gay/bi disrespectful?

Are you saying that being gay/bi is not respectful? That being gay/bi is less respectful than being straight? That there's something wrong with being gay/bi?

Is that what you mean, 7:24?

If not, please clarify. If so, you are a bigot.

Anonymous said...

7:24, all of the "reasons" you mention for believing that Austin is the boyfriend is still a combination of gossip, speculation and wishful thinking.

The way Jake looked at Heath is not comparable to the way he looked at other people. And Jake's chemistry with Heath was just as, if not more, real as anything you think you see in photos of Jake and Austin.

The Heath fanfic is just as valid as the Austin fanfic.

Anonymous said...

First, there is no 'obvious attraction' that so many talk about. Jake looks like that at a lot of men & women. Peter, Heath, Jen, Penelope and the list goes on...."

~~ There is none so blind as he who will not see.~~

There definitely was an attraction on Jake's side. So we should believe that Jake was attracted to Austin based on the Lakers pics (and BIs and no solid evidence whatsoever) but the pics that make Jake's hard-on for Heath clear as day are turned into “Jake looks like that at a lot of men & women” . You’re aware how silly you sound? Sorry, I’ve yet to see a single pic of Jake in such lust with Austin as I've seen him in some pics with Heath. But if you can post one, by all means please set me straight, no pun.

Anonymous said...

The Jake hump. Would that have been attached to Heath's back or to his front ... below the belt?

Anonymous said...

"HUH?" is a quote from Ennis."

Whooops! my bad!

How many Ennis quotes do you have up yr sleeve, you adorable genius?

Im so impressed! what's yr e-mail?

Anonymous said...

Bless you 7:49.

I think the Jake hump would have been attached to the front. Of course, it might have made it difficult for Heath to walk.

Anonymous said...

7.31, I'll answer your post because yours is the only one worth answering.

Are you just plain dumb or are you deliberately misunderstanding my post? Whether Heath is gay/bi/straight has nothing to do with it.

Try learning to read before you call someone a bigot. Typical of some of the idiot posters here.

Anonymous said...

~~ There is none so blind as he who will not see.~~

hahaha! are you kidding me 7.49? Works both ways.

Anonymous said...

Now I see how the comments are so high here!!!!

Anonymous said...

8:14, that's true, but how do you explain the Jake erection?

Anonymous said...

What's not to understand?

You said that spining harmless tales meant only for this blog, playing the What-If game with fellow WFT2ers, of the possibility of Heath not being completely straight was disrespectful. I asked you why you thought that, 'cause the only way that it could be disrespectful is if you believe that saying someone could maybe be gay/bi is an insult. And believing that being gay/bi, or saying someone's sexual orientation is less than straight, is an insult makes one a bigot.

Anonymous said...

Hey, UV!

So dead over at Babble Central that you must come over here for some conversation?

Anonymous said...

I gather there are mostly non-English speaking people posting tonight. Perhaps you all could identify yourself? That would be helpful.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

8:15, of course. Heath is interesting. Austin isn't.

Even the recent bike pics didn't this much interest.

baby tile said...

FUCK!

Anonymous said...

8:30 after you.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, meant to say: Even the recent bike pics didn't generate this much interest.

Anonymous said...

Baby Tile, I thought you were at the safe house with the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny.

Anonymous said...

8:14, that's true, but how do you explain the Jake erection?

March 31, 2009 8:17 PM


Same way the "erection" Jake got when he was walking with that Mike whatshisname guy he had lunch with a week so ago. pics are at IHJ.

Anonymous said...

You said that spining harmless tales meant only for this blog, playing the What-If game with fellow WFT2ers, of the possibility of Heath not being completely straight was disrespectful

No. I didn't say that. Please go back and read again. Why are you being deliberately obtuse??

I'm done here. Geeze!

Anonymous said...

Jake went "commando" at the DGA??!!

I can see doing that when you are out casually, but he was at a formal, industry event and dressed in a tux. Of course, he was going to be with Heath that night.

Hmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

Out of curiosity, I visited the Southern Gothic Productions site. Could someone explain what they are supposed to be doing? Are they raising money to produce this Lincoln Booth movie or just doing a lot of cutsey posts? I understand they're doing a short but I can't figure out what the long term strategy is.

Anonymous said...

You said that the Jake/Heath "fanfic" discussed here was disrespectful.

How else can that be interpreted then your dislike for theorizing of Heath's NCS orientation?

And dislking someone's NCS orientation is hateful.

And, yes, please, be done here. We don't need your foul, bigoted wind blowing about.

Anonymous said...

I like Austin, however, that blog is all kinds of pretentious.

One does not need to tell someone they are creating great art unless the art is anything but.

prairiegirl said...

Hmm, I wonder if what really bothers some of those about J and H is that they suspect that, deep down, if Jake could have figured out any kind of way to be with Heath, Austin would have been dumped posthaste. I think some are afraid it may have been more than just lust. But don't worry, Heath's dead.

I wonder if Jake would have gone to either the New York or LA premieres if Heath were still alive?


I knew this horse would be coming around the merry go round again eventually; just didn't realize it would turn into such an endless ride.

I admired Heath as much as anyone. He was drop dead gorgeous as a man. He was hugely, hugely talented. He had it. And there is no doubt, Jake looked at him like he had it bad. I totally agree. It would've been incredible had these 2 really hooked up in real life. Maybe they did? Maybe they didn't. Nobody knows for sure.

The thing is, it's been a year since Heath has been gone. I will always enjoy watching alot of his movies over and over again. And sure, maybe once in awhile, ponder over what may have been or could have been.

And you all may ban me or delete my comment. May bite my head off or may anonymously do it to me over on OMG. That's alright. I'd just like to say that I don't understand why someone frequently has to put down Austin in order to elevate Heath. I just don't get that. I see no reason to criticize Heath whatsoever and I'm not threatened at all by Jake's lust-filled eyes at him. I thought it was pretty hot, myself.

But Jake also made googley eyes at Austin. No one in the history of this earth has ever been able to totally explain love and why some people fall in love with each other. Just because someone is not a total Purebred, educated with a doctorate or a Masters, in the know with all sorts of influential people, physically beautiful & stunning, loaded up to the neck in a potpourri of skills & talents, or just financially set for life does not make any human being "inferior" and unworthy of any other human being. People fall in love against their will, against their better judgement, or just by sheerly being blessed. Sometimes. It. Just. Happens. And when I say that, I'm not speaking about anyone in particular. I'm talking about humankind from the beginning of time until the end.

I know that I could be burning a bridge here; I hope not. I don't mean any ill will or disrespect. I like you guys; don't know if the feeling is returned or not; that's okay if it's not. I just don't get the putting down of Austin and I don't understand why it has to be like a contest between the two guys.

Sorry - I just couldn't keep my mouth shut on this one.

Anonymous said...

PG, I'm glad you commented. Couldn't have said it better. :)

Anonymous said...

Great post PG! ITA 100%.

Anonymous said...

PG, if you don't have a problem with people putting down Reese as a person, then you shouldn't have a problem with people who are not impressed with Austin.

We make judgements about people all of the time. You do it.

So some of us have made judgements regarding Austin, and we are not impressed. I think Jake can do better and eventually will. I think Jake needs a partner who will be more of an inspiration to him and a challenge for him. Austin isn't it.

The reason the comparison comes up is because it is obvious that Jake was also seriously attracted to Heath, if not in love with him. So if you were to compare the two groups as couples ( Heath and Jake or Jake and Austin), Heath would come out the winner.

Heath is just superior to Austin on too many levels. So if you want the best for Jake, you are going to want him to have the best in a partner. And I am convinced that if Jake could have gotten with Heath (if Heath were bi), he would have dumped Austin in a heartbeat.

Why is that difficult to understand?

Anonymous said...

Thank you 9:24, I thought it was just me.

Anonymous said...

PG, there is no difference between people thinking that Jake should get a better, more suitable beard than Reese than thinking he should get a better boyfriend than Austin.

Anonymous said...

Hold up, so Jake and Austin Nichols are together?

That is sooo HAWT!!

But you guys do know that toothy tile is actually Tom Cruise, right? Oh how they must all laugh.

If I was Jake, I would so totally be acting MORE gay in public >:)

Anonymous said...

Wow! Just had a flash back there, all the way back to 2005, with that tom Cruise mention.

Where have you been, 9:58? The Xenu's disciple was disqualified as Toothy many, many, MANY times.

Anonymous said...

Heath is just superior to Austin on too many levels.

Heath is dead, nothing is going to change that. Trying to pair him off with Jake is just plain ghoulish.

And how would you know whether Heath is superior in the things to matter. Looks to me like Austin makes Jake happy, and my guess is that Austin is a good match for Jake in the things that truly matter in life--friendship, love, support, the one that makes him laugh and smile (so clear from the photos), who is there no matter what he does, but also makes his own way (don't see Jake promoting Austin's career the way he does Reese).

Anonymous said...

How would you know if Austin makes Jake any more happy than any other friend? Austin is the only one who makes Jake smile and laugh? Don't Jake's family and friends support him and make him laugh and smile? Are you serious in this? And as far as him being there no matter what, so is Atticus. You haven't attributed anything unique to Austin, and you make him sound like a good pet. Why should Jake , or anyone, settle for less instead of reaching for the best. This is part of the problem in Jake's associating himself with Reese. Jake is settling for less. And does Austin have much of a career for Jake to promote?

Of course Jake can't be with Heath. We just know that he would have if he could have. He will need to find a Heath substitute.

Anonymous said...

Is all this Austin bashing just another tactic of the JiS brigade?

Let's pair him off with someone that is dead, therefore no chance of a relationship, no chance of a coming out, no chance to prove that Reeke is false.

This is not to say that with Austin there will be a coming out, but there is obviously a relationship, what kind is the onlhy thing up for debate. But, since Jake has kept Austin in his life after all this time, and when just appearing in public together fuels The Gay and knocking more holes in the Reeke leaking sieve, it's safe to assume that their relationship is worthwhile to Jake.

As to Austin's career, any actor that is a working actor is a successful actor. To say that he's "just" a TV actor is to denigrate and demean the likes of Glenn Close, Paul Giamatti, Laura Linney, etc. for they, too, have TV on their resumes. Austin has made his own way, and never, despite what others shrieked back before the bearding, never parlayed his relationship with Jake into jobs, or for promotion.

Austin has fans of his own, and has lost the moniker of only "Jake's BF". Ironic, isn't it, that now Jake is mostly known as Reese's.

prairiegirl said...

21:48, I am not denying Jake had it for Heath. Obviously, you & I are just at an impasse never to be resolved.

This oft repeated idea of Jake needing to be "inspired" and "challenged" by a partner is puzzling to me. I don't deny we all look at others and are inspired by something they've done or said. But we can't have that person ball & chained to us at every interview & along every step in life just to keep us motivated to do our best. That's not anybody else's job. It's ours, as an individual.

And so Heath is superior to Austin. Is this by some sort of class system? Are all friends or potential friends/lovers to be judged by how beneficial knowing them could be? Because let me reveal something I've learned by observing & being around alot of couples married for 50 years +, including my own parents. Physical beauty starts to leave us eventually. We're not taut & muscular our entire lives. And once retirement age comes, it doesn't matter "who you know" any longer in order to get ahead in life nor does it matter if your spouse had a great career for you to help promote??? What?? When it's time to help give your spouse a bath because they're so weak from illness that they can't do it themselves any longer, you do it because you love them. When you're still together & you're both in your 70's or 80's, it's your love that holds you together; love over each other's irritating habits, love over the children that you had & raised together, love spanning over vacations, job losses, anniversaries, TV shows watched together, family reunions, graduations, family pets, family losses & tragedies, and maybe just simply over the way he or she always winks at you when you call them an old pet name.

You know, I'm as big a criticizer of Reeke as anyone. But I'm darned if I'm going to be deluded enough to think that I know what person is best for Mr. Jake. Let's see. I'm me - a simple admin earning under medium avg wage, living in typical suburbia, with my own life. And he's - he's, why he's an actor. I don't even know him and he sure as tootin' doesn't know me nor does he care. I'm a fan, but I gotta draw the line at even trying to argue with people over who he had it worst for? Who he should be spending the rest of his life with, even though that person is now deceased? I've got enough trouble trying to decide what I'm having for breakfast tomorrow morning, what I'm wearing, should I go in early & tackle that mountain of work on my desk or just go in at 7 as usual, and should I call Goodyear or not, risking total embarrassment, because my car dome light is out and I can't figure out how to change it myself. But I'm tired of not being able to see where to put my key in.

And you're missing my point about judgments. Of course I do - I'm not denying that. I've judged behaviors &, quite wrongfully, tho I still do it, people's character.
But not to the point of human degradation. I'm done arguing, tho. It's pointless. We're both talking to the hand, let's face it. You just do whatever you need to do; I don't have to read it any longer.

And, 21:52, I would prefer Jake not have a beard at all.

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone who thinks Jake is straight want to pair him with Heath or George Clooney for that matter? That makes no sense. Every actor you mentioned is better than Austin. They've proven themselves in film and tv. Still waiting for Austin to rise above the lower tv depths (One Tree Hill, oh please). Maybe he will one day, but I doubt it.


PG, people will thrive, in all aspects of their lives, when they are surrounded by excellence. I can't figure out why you think excellence and nurturing are mutually exclusive. You can be challenged, inspired, supported and nurtured by the same person. If Jake truly wants to be a good, if not great, actor he needs to get with people who will help inspire that. Some people provide more of the source of excellence (Heath) and others need to be exposed to it (Jake, refer to the exposure that gave us Jack Twist). I see nothing and no one in his current LA environment that would provide that kind of stimulus. I think he needs to move and put himself in different vibe. Maybe London or NY. Cut all of the deadwood from his life and start over.

Anonymous said...

People can criticize Austin and find fault with him, but the fact is Jake fell in love with him. Deeply in love. The Toothy rumors started because Jake came half way out of the closet, revealing himself to most of HW. He chickened out later, but word of his true nature is out, even if he isn't.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Every death sends a message. What have I learned from Heath’s death?


Not to mix pills!
March 30, 2009 5:42 PM


^^^^ Sorry but LMAO!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
to the second director's interview he pretty much "saved" the production. Note how he's the one who got along with Jake and threw out the producers. I read between the lines that he wsa actually the one who had problems with Mike N.
March 30, 2009 6:40 AM


^^ "I read between the lines that he wsa actually the one who had problems with Mike N." Question: when you say "he" do you mean the 2nd director or Jake?

Billy Crystal said...

Anonymous said...

Daddy G knows Jakey is gay. Maybe he knew it before Jake.
March 30, 2009 6:27 PM


^^^^ I knew Jakey was gay when he was singing showtunes on City Slickers.

Heath said...

thanks alot dad, parents should "find themselves" BEFORE they go around makin' babies.
March 30, 2009 6:34 PM


Whut?

Anonymous said...

1:20 PM: ^ah yes, the old "contact lenses" excuse for Jake looking at people. Posters used to say the same about the Jake/Austin Laker pictures.I wear hard contact lenses. When they get gritty and sore I look down a lot as it gets painful to look up, rub my eyelids, maybe take one out. It does not make me look more intensely at the person next to me, with what may be interpreted as lust/affection.


I have to wear (the expensive shit, of course) soft toric bifocal contacts, for severe astigmatism and severe far/close vision correction. They are weighted at the bottom, sometimes with blinking or too much moisture or bright lights they spin around, and the bifocal focusing range can be distracting. I'm also really sensitive to light so they are custom tinted and sometimes colors I see look off. Anyway sorry to be boring lol but just wanted to say despite all that: off colors, focus, spinning lenses and light sensitivity, I never look at people the way Jake looked at Heath. [unless I was in love/lust with them]. If that's the argument with Jake/Heath's pics then you'd have to apply it to most people who wear contacts or have a hard time getting used to contacts lenses. And if that's the case, then you'd have shitloads of people getting their faces slapped, workplace sexual harassment suits going on and people getting shot evrywhere, having sex everywhere, so the Jake had new contacts excuse just doesn't hold water, sorry.

Anonymous said...

And if that's the case, then you'd have shitloads of people getting their faces slapped, workplace sexual harassment suits going on and people getting shot evrywhere, having sex everywhere

LOL

Anonymous said...

All of a sudden Jake's contact lenses had fitting and focus problems when he was looking at Heath and Austin but when he looked at Ang, James, Michelle, Anne and Ron Meyer, they cleared up it right up. Damn, those 5 are contact lens miracle workers!

Anonymous said...

Contact lenses theory is silly, but quite original!

Anonymous said...

12.37,
If Heath is such a balanced, excellent, wonderful person who will be an inspiration to Jake,

WHY THE FUCK IS HE DEAD AT 28???

Anonymous said...

Regarding "is Austin good enough for Jake" discussion: did you watch longer Green Schools Initiative video on YouTube?

Jake said: "Some of my best friends are farmers."

Anonymous said...

Out of curiosity, I visited the Southern Gothic Productions site. Could someone explain what they are supposed to be doing?

Keeping their OTH fans amused and interested in new projects like Pedestrian.

Anonymous said...

People can criticize Austin and find fault with him, but the fact is Jake fell in love with him. Deeply in love.

LMAO, are you for real, "the fact is"????? The only fact here is that you don’t know anything more about it than the rest of us and that you're making up your own "facts".

Anonymous said...

12.37,
If Heath is such a balanced, excellent, wonderful person who will be an inspiration to Jake,

WHY THE FUCK IS HE DEAD AT 28???


He mixed his sleeping pills depression/anixiety pills and pain killers. What we now know is, you shouldn't do that. He probably didn't know.

But I think work-wise Heath is an ispiration to young actors. He took his job seriously and was really good at it. This deserves respect, no matter what personal problems he had.

OT aww said...

It Must Be True Love

First of all, Mickey Rourke must be washing his face in the ice-cold blended soft bones of fetuses every night, because his mug doesn't look like a Michael Myers mask that was left out in the sun too long. Mickey's actually looking good (insert awkward pause and question mark here).

Second of all, this is what true love looks like. Mickey and Jaws are just hanging out at LAX, canoodling, making out, being adorable and sprinkling love all over the place. Wait. Jaws is like half blind or something, right? That would explain it all.

My chihuahua will only let me hold him like this when I'm wasted. He must love the smell of hot booze on my breath. It reminds him of his whore mother who he still holds a place in his heart for even though her trick ass abandoned him! Yes, I went there.

Dlisted

Anonymous said...

But I think work-wise Heath is an ispiration to young actors. He took his job seriously and was really good at it. This deserves respect, no matter what personal problems he had.

ITA

Anonymous said...

Others can inspire us to try new things, reach further, stretch to greater lengths. However, no matter how wide or far a person attempts to grow, that journey's success depends solely on the depth inside, not on a single voice of encouragement.

Jake's performance in "Moonlight Mile" was brilliant. Should he then, by your reasoning, hook up with Dustin Hoffman, Susan Sarandon if he wishes to touch that again? "The Good Girl", "Donnie Darko" also wonderful, true performances by Jake, and there was no Heath in sight. Even "Jarhead" and "Zodiac" hold flashes of something. Should they then be attributed not to Jake's ability as an actor to find the truth of those characters, but to knowing Heath only?

Look, it's blaringly obvious that you depise Austin, for what ever reason. That's fine, your opinion. Mine, and Jake's, differ. But, in your quest to convince us that Jake is better off with anyone other than the man he's chosen, is it really necessary to denigrate Austin while deifying Heath?

Anonymous said...

7:08, part of the answer is this post:


PG, if you don't have a problem with people putting down Reese as a person, then you shouldn't have a problem with people who are not impressed with Austin.

We make judgements about people all of the time. You do it.

So some of us have made judgements regarding Austin, and we are not impressed. I think Jake can do better and eventually will. I think Jake needs a partner who will be more of an inspiration to him and a challenge for him. Austin isn't it.

The reason the comparison comes up is because it is obvious that Jake was also seriously attracted to Heath, if not in love with him. So if you were to compare the two groups as couples ( Heath and Jake or Jake and Austin), Heath would come out the winner.

Heath is just superior to Austin on too many levels. So if you want the best for Jake, you are going to want him to have the best in a partner. And I am convinced that if Jake could have gotten with Heath (if Heath were bi), he would have dumped Austin in a heartbeat.

Why is that difficult to understand?

March 31, 2009 9:48 PM

I happen to think Jake needs a total change because all of the people around him in LA are just sanctioning his slide into mediocrity. Inspiration should come from within but sometimes you also need to surround yourself with the right people/place to encourage or regenerate your drive.

Jake looked up to Heath, and Heath would have inspired him to keep pushing.

Anonymous said...

Should they then be attributed not to Jake's ability as an actor to find the truth of those characters, but to knowing Heath only?

I think you're missing the point - Jake could use some guidance to "push him" in the right direction.

Anonymous said...

P.S. ^^^ right artistic direction

Anonymous said...

Contact lenses theory is silly, but quite original!

Not original, actually. Some fool was saying just that when the first Laker pictures came out. Same poster?

Anonymous said...

OK, not original, just silly :)

Anonymous said...

I don't know if Jake had anything with Heath or still has anything going on with Austin, but I do know that Reeke is horrible. Jake picked an awful beard who has done nothing to improve his image. If his intent was for people to see him as straight, well I guess he kind of got his wish. The majority of rag readers know him only as Reese's boyfriend. So they think he is straight, but they probably also think he is some wimpy, spineless, clingy guy who trails after his "oscar winning, highly paid" actress girlfriend while he has had no movies out since 2007. I wonder if he thinks the bearding has done so many wonderful things for him 2 years later.

Anonymous said...

I happen to think Jake needs a total change because all of the people around him in LA are just sanctioning his slide into mediocrity. Inspiration should come from within but sometimes you also need to surround yourself with the right people/place to encourage or regenerate your drive.

Jake looked up to Heath, and Heath would have inspired him to keep pushing."

100% agree

Anonymous said...

He's totally gotten lost in the Reeke arrangement. It's never about him, only her. Just once, I'd like US Reekely to have a piece about what she did on his birthday, how she surprised him, how devoted she is to him. This is what makes it so obviously fake, to appeal to whatever readership enjoys this kind of syrupy drivel - it's all one sided, never any problems, kids adjusted perfectly, etc. etc.

Chris said...

Inspiration should come from within but sometimes you also need to surround yourself with the right people/place to encourage or regenerate your drive.

Hard farm work will do him good!
Jake is always welcome, I'll do my best to inspire him.

Anonymous said...

Chris, we know he meant you. :)

Chris said...

I'm proud to be Jake's rock, he's a good kid.

Anonymous said...

You're the best thing he's got right now. :)

Anonymous said...

^ true

(((((Chris)))))

Anonymous said...

Cut all of the deadwood from his life and start over.

Oh Jake don't cut all the Deadwood out of your life ;-)

Anonymous said...

^^^ Porn stache!

Austin said...

*Shit, they hate me almost as much as they hate the chin.*

Anonymous said...

No, Austy poo! it's just one poster who's suffering from jel-us-ceeeee!!

Anonymous said...

^^The Great Zoltan. Spill, O Wise One!

Anonymous said...

^^hey, I'd like a moustache ride from Morgan Earp. He looks dirrrty.......

Anonymous said...

Austy poo???

Yes, Jake needs a real man, a real artist.

Does Heath have any cousins?

Anonymous said...

^dirty in a good way maybe but I'd have to scrub him clean first.

Anonymous said...

300 posts on why a dead man would be better for Jake than the one by his side? One who did nothing to stop his "good friend" from bearding and making bad career decisions? The one who couldn't make any of his own relationships last?

The poster who said Jake has to do it for himself is right. All the advice in the world is not going to do you any good if you don't have the confidence, and brains, to do what is right for you. It's Jake's career, not Heath's, George's, Austin's. Jake is not two years old, even if he does look like it when he's with mommy Reese.

It seems to me all of the people around Jake have tried to make their way on their own terms, even if it means hard work, indie films, starting a blog and catering business from scratch: Austin, his parents, Maggie, Peter, Chris, Peter, and yes, Heath. Then there are all the people he has worked with and/or admired who also did it their own way: Hoffman, Sarandon, Fincher, Mendes, Lee, Rufus Wainwright. And yet despite all those examples, and people who surely would have supported him in anything he did, Jake decided to beard with Reese and do PoP.

It's not very likely that having some mythical god/lover would have changed that.

One last thing, could the poster who keeps insisting that George Clooney would be good for Jake and would have made him stop bearding please explain that? Clooney has always bearded, and his last film, Leatherheads, was a bomb. In fact with the exception of the Ocean franchise, Clooney's movies don't make money. It's only boing to be a matter of time before that comes back to bite him in the ass. Being the darling of the fangirls hasn't helped him any.

Anonymous said...

No, Austy poo! it's just one poster who's suffering from jel-us-ceeeee!!

Sorry, not so.

Anonymous said...

10:17 what did Austin do to stop Jake from bearding and making bad career choices? Don’t tell me he understands and supports Jake's decision to beard because he knows about the homophobia in Hollywood, that’s such a lame excuse.

Anonymous said...

Lame, but valid excuse.

George said...

*What?! Now they are going to trash my cute ass, too?*

Anonymous said...

10:52 says you. Supporting the bearding is almost as bad bearding.

Anonymous said...

One last thing, could the poster who keeps insisting that George Clooney would be good for Jake and would have made him stop bearding please explain that?

George could teach him how to beard :)

10:17 said...

So Austin is bad for allowing Jake to beard, but George would be good for him because he'd teach Jake how to do it right? You can't have it both ways, so which one is it?

And of course the Austin hater only focused on Austin in my post, now anyone else in Jake's life. Just be honest, you could really care less what Jake does, you just want to attack Austin. At least have the courage of your conviction and admit it, and stop hiding behind everything else.

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Anonymous said...

If its okay for Austin to support the bearding, then it just as okay for Reese to offer her support for the bearding. And the 300 posts regarding Heath should tell you something.

Doesn't George have an oscar?

Anonymous said...

Popsugar just had an April Fool's post - Jen and George out on a date, having dinner at Indochine. Sigh.

Anonymous said...

So Austin is bad for allowing Jake to beard, but George would be good for him because he'd teach Jake how to do it right?

No. Jake decided to beard, so it's better to do it right.

Anonymous said...

I see nothing wrong with discussing Heath. He's going to be like a James Dean, so people will be fans forever.

Anonymous said...

If its okay for Austin to support the bearding, then it just as okay for Reese to offer her support for the bearding.

Reese was looking for a "bf", she supports only herself.

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