Sunday 29 March 2009

Gay Cowboys


A 33-year-old rancher, Mr. Glover comes from a family that has worked the land around Lusk for generations. His father still runs 300 head of cattle.

Seated at a table in the smoky Outpost Cafe alongside Highway 85, Mr. Glover laid out the story of a typical ranch-country boyhood: herding, branding, culling and haying, horses hobbled on picket lines and calves pulled forcibly from their mother's bodies during spring calving. Every summer Mr. Glover sets out with his brother in a panel truck carrying their two quarter horses, to compete in calf and steer roping competitions. "I never had any intention of leaving the cowboy lifestyle," Mr. Glover said. "Ranching is who I am."

Yet next month Mr. Glover will quit Lusk and that part of himself in order to move to the bright lights of Lander, Wyo. (population 6,864). "I don't really want to do it," Mr. Glover said. Yet he has to, he explained, if he ever wants to live his life openly. Like Jack Twist, the rodeo-loving character portrayed by Jake Gyllenhaal in "Brokeback Mountain", Derrick Glover is gay.

"They always define it as coming out of the closet, but I don't consider myself to be out of the closet," Mr. Glover explained. There is a reason for that, he said. "Where I live, you can't really go out and be yourself. You couldn't go out together, two guys, as a couple and ever be accepted. It wasn't accepted in the past, it's still not, and I don't think it ever will be." That he and some of the others interviewed for this article were willing to be named and photographed was not without social and even physical risk.
***

When Mr. Ledger's character defiantly asserts, "I ain't queer," following a drunken coupling with Mr. Gyllenhaal's character in their sheepherder's tent, it seems clear that as much as he fears the loss of his cowboy machismo, he is equally scared to relinquish his physical safety once the two come down from Brokeback Mountain.

"I grew up with that same kind of fear and conflict," Ben Clark, a fourth- generation rancher from Jackson said on Tuesday. "Growing up, I never even dreamed that a real cowboy would be gay," Mr. Clark added. It is a belief in which he is not alone.

"I awakened to my same-sex attraction when I was 12," said Mr. Clark, who is now 42. "But I had no idea what to do about it, ever. I was raised in a ranching, rodeo world - wrangling, packing horses, riding bucking stock, working in hunting camps - but always with the sense that I had to conceal who I was because cowboys could never be gay."

The experience was "extremely, extremely lonely," Mr. Clark said, leaving him feeling so isolated that he more than once contemplated suicide. "I could not accept being gay because of the stereotypes that were drilled into me," he explained. "Gay men are emotionally weak. They are not real men. They are like women."

Like Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist in the film, Mr. Clark dated women for a time, bowing to the pressure to be "normal" although, unlike them, he never married and led a double life. There's a joke out here about how one goes about finding a gay man on the frontier. The punch line is deadpan: "Look for the wife and kids."

Fortunately, Mr. Clark said, "I never did get married, because I never wanted to hurt a woman like that."

"When I was in my 20's, I worked in a hunting camp for three years as a wrangler," Mr. Clark said. "I heard the jokes, but I kept my feelings inside. One of the hunters asked me, 'Have you been married before?' I told him no. And he gave me a look and said, 'Most of the guys who aren't married by now are getting involved with being hairdressers.'"
***

"I know there are a lot of gay guys in Cheyenne, and it's pretty much accepted, in a way," said Julie Tottingham, the manager of Corral West Ranchwear in Cheyenne, the city's largest purveyor of boot-cut Wranglers, ostrich-skin Tony Lamas and broad-brim buffalo-felt Stetsons. "But at the same time, a lot of our customers would be offended if a gay guy was in here shopping," Ms. Tottingham said. "They'd feel it's an insult to the cowboy way of life."

Among the locals who got an opportunity to see "Brokeback Mountain" at the screening in Jackson was Jade Beus, an openly gay former cowboy raised on a sheep ranch in Soda Springs, Idaho. "I had more or less that same experience," said Mr. Beus, referring to the characters' struggles. "Trying to find self-acceptance literally took me to a place where I thought I was such a bad person I once put a pistol to the roof of my mouth."

Mr. Beus, who now owns a heating and plumbing contracting company, is not certain what it was that prevented him from taking his own life. "But something clicked over," he said. "I believe greatly in a higher power and I realized He dealt me this particular hand," Mr. Beus said. "I'm a man's man. I'm not feminine at all. Other people might slander me for who I am, but I made a decision a long time ago that I'm not going through life hating myself because I love men."

Source: Cowboys, Just Like in the Movie, The New York Times,
December 18, 2005

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Anonymous said...

^^^ Ellen is a tough lady, but I bet she would puke before suggesting something like that.

Anonymous said...

5:30, nobody is going to get any of that as a possibility except you,

especially not the audience watching Ellen's show.

I don't think for one minute that Ellen would engage in anything that would harm Jake.

Ellen supports the bearding.

Anonymous said...

Papa G papa G - what are we to do with you?

Website design "inspired by Saul Bass" -

Saul fucking Bass inspired everyfuckingbody, like fifty years ago.

Who is encouraging this man in his zen one-liners? We know WHO and she is a toady and so is Papa, what is the meaning of the deaeth of Heath! Geeeze Louise!

I wonder if he's always been this way.

Anonymous said...

Every death sends a message. What have I learned from Heath’s death?

Not to mix pills!

Anonymous said...

^ Serioulsy now. I think Gyllenhaal sen. meant that Heath's death doesn't make sense. It could have been avoided.

Anonymous said...

Did you even met the guy?

Daddy G. accompanied Jake throughout most of award season 2005/6 and got to know Heath.

Anonymous said...

^ that doesn't mean he got to KNOW Heath.

Anonymous said...

Question for die hard Jake fans. I know Ellen is a friend of Michelle for many years and she was Heath's friend too. Is she a close friend of Jake too? They seem close to me.
I like her, she's a nice lady.

Anonymous said...

Grow up Stephen! Get a life!

Anonymous said...

"Is she a close friend of Jake too?"

I don't know, but I think she "gets" Jake - and that he is very fond of her.

Anonymous said...

that doesn't mean he got to KNOW Heath

No, it doesn't, but Daddy G. has a son who's a bit younger and part of the same industry, so I guess Heath's death was a painful experience.

Anonymous said...

We all know that Heath's death, and the death of thousands every year who accidently mix prescription pills, could have been avoided.

He can't be that stupid. So what is his real point?

And we don't really know if he ever met Heath. However, I would assume that he would have some idea of Jake's opinions about Heath.

Do you think Jake may have confided in dad about his lust for Heath or would it have just been too obvious?

Or maybe dad has/had some kind of issue with Jake's friendship with Heath?

Anonymous said...

I don't know, but I think she "gets" Jake - and that he is very fond of her.

IA he seems fond of her.

Anonymous said...

Or maybe dad has/had some kind of issue with Jake's friendship with Heath?

Hmm, what do you think this issue could be?

Anonymous said...

"No, it doesn't, but Daddy G. has a son who's a bit younger and part of the same industry, so I guess Heath's death was a painful experience."

I really think that the parent of a child who is working very hard in a difficult industry to be successful should keep his mouth shut, not have a blog where he bleeds out his personal bullshit.

Is Stephen seeing a shrink? If not, why not?

Cuntera said...

Why should he see a shrink when he has me?

Anonymous said...

Do you think Jake may have confided in dad about his lust for Heath or would it have just been too obvious?"

That would be an interesting conversation ;)

Anonymous said...

Do you think Jake may have confided in dad about his lust for Heath or would it have just been too obvious?"

That would be an interesting conversation ;)


I don't think so. In an interview in 2005 or 2006 he claimed his son is straight. Maybe he doesn't know that Jake maybe likes girls AND boys?

Anonymous said...

You have to cringe for Jake (and Maggie) to have the misfortune of a father who seems to wish to vomit his 'feelings' across the internet. What ever happened to people keeping their opinions to themselves.

Anonymous said...

Daddy G knows Jakey is gay. Maybe he knew it before Jake.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Ted C. has stated that Jake's parents know he is gay.

I don't know what the point of Stephen's post could be.

But now I am beginning to wonder too if Stephen has some kind of issue with Heath or maybe some issue with Heath's relationship with Jake.

It's been over a year, and he brings up Heath's death now?

Why??

Unless whatever the issue is hasn't gone away?

Jake asks said...

Dad,

Why why why must you go through your mid life crisis online??????

It's so embarrassing!!

Anonymous said...

6:31.. maybe he just thinks he might get some internet traffic if he brings it up. the man is obviously an attention seeker (like father like son?).

Anonymous said...

That journal is not on the usual SG site. It is a journal written by the withered porno star.

Anonymous said...

first of all Jake does not like girls.

second of all papa is still {finding himself}

thanks alot dad, parents should "find themselves" BEFORE they go around makin' babies.

Anonymous said...

Dad,
Why why why must you go through your mid life crisis online??????


LOL!

Anonymous said...

so Papa G is a Heathen. Whaddya know?

man, this is REALLY complicated!

Anonymous said...

It's simple really.
Cantara puts up a page signed SG and then announces here that SG made an entry.
On that blog, she than detects which IP's visit there, redirected from WFT2. She then has a map of your IP adresses, posters in WFT2.
And she'll know exactly if you are or not posting from Hollywood, or from Alaska or Delhi.
If you are posting from HW, then your opinions might have some weight; if not, you don't matter.
It's as simple as that.

Anonymous said...

"That journal is not on the usual SG site. It is a journal written by the withered porno star."

Im not sure she's "withered" as I think she lives in a swamp, where it's cold and DAMP.

or a Black Lagoon where it is also damp.

Dad said...

My dear boy,

did you know that President Obama twitters all the time?

You wouldn't really want me to suffer offline, would you?

Anonymous said...

"On that blog, she than detects which IP's visit there, redirected from WFT2. She then has a map of your IP adresses, posters in WFT2.
And she'll know exactly if you are or not posting from Hollywood, or from Alaska or Delhi."

Fuck off, Cuntera!

Anonymous said...

Why would she want people from this site to go there?

How would that aid her?

I am not totally sure if I buy that.

I know she's crazy, but this seems silly and stupid, even for her.

Jake's PR said...

"My dear boy,

did you know that President Obama twitters all the time?

You wouldn't really want me to suffer offline, would you?"

Yes, he would Mr. Gyllenhaal, yes he would.

Anonymous said...

Newest scan from People on IHJ - g'wan, get married, you assholes, it would serve you both right.

Anonymous said...

So she knows who we are and from where we post.

Stephen said...

Yes, he would Mr. Gyllenhaal, yes he would.

*Capitalistic swine!*

Anonymous said...

Newest scan from People on IHJ - g'wan, get married, you assholes, it would serve you both right.


my thoughts exactly.

Anonymous said...

Newest scan from People on IHJ

You mean Us Reekly? Reeke fiction summary.

Anonymous said...

Papa G confuses zen koans with twitt'ring.

Stephen you do know how to twitter? You just pucker yr mouth and - do it. . . !

Anonymous said...

If we gotta wallow in and swallow Reeke at our check out counters, I think they ought to suck it up themselves and DO IT -

Anonymous said...

Reeke bore each other and the rest of the world to tears.

Anonymous said...

If some of you hate Reeke so much why are you spending so much time trying to read every article about them?

Is Us Weekly bribing you to pick up the magazine, or search this stuff out on the internet?

Don't read the articles. Stop going to IHJ. Stop searching for this stuff on the web.

It isn't difficult.

Anonymous said...

What a fucking hypocrite!! If their opinions bother you so much why are you here you loser. Go back to adding up the box office receipts for Reese's movie and posting them all over the internet.

Anonymous said...

7:20 PM

Reeke PR crap should be recognised and exposed.

Anonymous said...

OMG if you love Reese so much why would you be here reading such upsetting negativity? You make a fool of yourself with comments like that trolly @7:20.

Anonymous said...

7:29, It may come as a surprise to you, but not everyone who visits this site hates Reese or Jake. Some of us are just interested in the gossip and don't waste energy hating someone we don't know.

You might want to look up the definition of hypocrisy.

And by the way, the name of the site is Waiting for Toothy Part 2, not: site for those who are fixated on Reeke hate.

Those of us who are interested will continue to read and post here. Nothing you can do about it.

Get a grip.

Anonymous said...

Nice try Reese troll. The cunty sign offs like "get a grip" and "it isn't difficult" give you away every time. How foolish do you think we are pathetic troll?

Anonymous said...

7:31, you are preaching to the converted, so who are you enlightening?

We know about the pr crap; some of us just don't need to constantly search it out so we can best our chests in moral outrage or wallow in our self-generated bile.

Anonymous said...

LOL the "Reese" fan troll is the biggest cunt on the internet. Welcome to WFT2 Greesy Reesy fangirl.

Anonymous said...

Go to church 7:45.

7:31 PM said...

7:31, you are preaching to the converted, so who are you enlightening?

7:20 PM troll is converted?! Wow, that was quick!

Anonymous said...

I amd 7:20. Reese troll? You can't address what I've said, so you think you can smear me by calling me a troll.

Your defensiveness, and attempts at name calling prove my point.

I don't love Reese; I don't hate her.

And if I bother you so much, scroll past.

Anonymous said...

My pussy is twitchng and purring!!

Anonymous said...

Was it determined if that post about Heath's death was actually from Stephen G. or some kind of ruse by Cantara?

Anonymous said...

I don't love her or hate her. I am paid to defend her honor on the web. It is a requirement of my job to respond to every negative post about her with an alternative viewpoint. It's almost quitting time!! See you tomorrow bitches.

Anonymous said...

7:54 PM

The post is from Stephen G, I don't see why we should doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Your defensiveness, and attempts at name calling prove my point.

You don't have a point, you just play stupid.

Anonymous said...

Lighten up 7:57 - and the other sourpusses who havent had their supper yet. or maybe they have and it was all last week's leftovers.

Anonymous said...

The poster you call a trolly is easily recognizable in the past posts, for weeks: she writes each phrase as a paragraph. (And that's why she's not 7:55).
Yes, Cantara wrote SG's post.

Anonymous said...

Cuntera is papas doppelganger

Anonymous said...

doppelgänger

Anonymous said...

Yes, Cantara wrote SG's post.

Why would Stephen allow Cuntara to write under his name?
Since when she rules the World and the Internet?

Anonymous said...

"Yes, Cantara wrote SG's post."

Oh please, you know as much about it as anyone else here.

Anonymous said...

Good, 8:05.

Anonymous said...

Cantera is a Bodysnatcher.

Anonymous said...

I LOVE this American Gothic painting of Jack Twist and Ennis del Mar. The odd thing is it really does mirror several shots of Jake with his arm around Heath, looking admiringly (and loving) at him during BBM promo season.

The artist really captured Heath's rugged, sexy, BBM look very well.

But Jack should have blue eyes (looks brown here).

Anonymous said...

t's been over a year, and he brings up Heath's death now?"

Heath would have turned 30 this Saturday had he lived. His birthday is coming up--maybe that's why Mr. G is bringing up Heath's death now?

Anonymous said...

The artist really captured Heath's rugged, sexy, BBM look very well.

He did, didn't he? :) And Jake's Jack too, but I agree, he should have blue eyes. But it's a beautiful picture.

Anonymous said...

Heath was a gorgeous, sexy man.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for reminding us of Heath's birthday. I had forgotten all about it.

Anonymous said...

How foolish do you think we are pathetic troll?

^^ Hummm let's see. you'vw been waiting for Jake to come out for almost 4 years. Not a word of coming out. you believe that Jake and Austin had a baby and hiding it, him, she from the public. Ahh, no mention of Reese, not even on the registra for hate and ridicule until she dates your bf Jake and now Reese is the scum of the earth. Hating Reese or (Reeke) and calling her all kind of names while aimlessly tracking or following her around the net and every gossip site to wallow in spite and meanesss because she's now dating your bf. Constantly pitting Heath against Jake for your displeasure of Jake not coming out with Austin. Austin is handsome and offbeat and can do no wrong, while Jake is scum of the earth no. 2. Your only defense is name calling someone a Troll and lurking on the babler website, you have to, you know to much about them.

IS THIS FOOLISH AND PATHETIC ENOUGH

Anonymous said...

None of us gave a rat's ass about Reese until she hooked up with Jake. If they stop seeing each other tomorrow, we will go back to not giving a rat's ass about her and we promise to never mention her again. See if you can make that happen for us.

Anonymous said...

I just checked and there are almost no comments on Babble; they must all be here and at OMG harassing people.

Anonymous said...

The average number of posts on GB in a week is about what we do here in a day. GB has had about 90 comments since Thursday, we're up to to 275 just since Jackie put up a new post yesterday. Is it any wonder babblers come here for any audience?

Anonymous said...

Or maybe they have lives and other interests.

Anonymous said...

Good 12:05, but trust me they won't get it.

I still can't figure out why Stephen G. would mention Heath's death after more than a year. I just read some of the previous posts, and I wonder if dad had(maybe still has) some kind of issue with Jake's relationship or feelings about Heath?

It seems kind of ugly to be so dismissive of Heath's death.

Anonymous said...

11.23, too bad you couldn't say " still waiting for Austin! How long has he been gone now? 2 years! you people are so pathetic! He ain't never coming back!"

you never know, 11.23, never! hahahaha

Anonymous said...

1:00, as always, some of you miss/ignore the central point.

Anonymous said...

Tell us 1:31 AM, what is the central point?

We shouldn't discuss things you're not interested in?

Anonymous said...

Some people just need to get a grip on things. If most of the things said here are foolish and pathetic then just don't come here.

Same with getting all upset because some people make nasty/cruel comments about extremely highly paid actors on celebrity gossip websites. Pretty sure that Reese has thick enough skin to let that wash over her.

April 4 said...

Heath would have turned 30 this Saturday had he lived.

April 4.

Important WFT date too.

Tuesday, April 04, 2006
Waiting for Toothy came about as a venting of sorts. I wanted a "safe" place to discuss the possibility that Jake Gyllenhaal may not be completely straight and may be or- at one point- was dating actor Austin Nichols. The idea came to me after a fellow IMDb poster created a Jake blog. In the beginning, I didn't actually want a Jake blog per se but more of a collective blog of Toothy Tile referrences and ambiguos quotes by Jake. However, such is life, the blog evolved into an all out Jake Gyllenhaal (and Austin Nichols) blog. Which turned out to not be a bad thing.

Friday, April 04, 2008
It is my feeling that endeavors borne of anger often will die in anger. Perhaps this is true. But I am not angry today - the day I say goodbye to you all. Yes, Waiting for Toothy started out of anger, but it is not ending in anger – at least not completely. This has been a ride for me. Bitter. Sweet. Sad. Happy. There are so many adjectives that describe my experience manning Waiting for Toothy. Name any, and I can probably relate. What I am feeling today is sadness and relief. Waiting for Toothy has died today, and I am mourning. If I had to assign WFT a pronoun, I would call it a he. He was beautiful, kind, caring, smart, sexy, and socially aware. He was also a bit too sensitive, eager, over-ambitious by taking on things out of his control (such as others’ thoughts of him), maybe even a little naïve.

But he stood for something, even if in the end it was perceived futile. Even as he was dying, he tried. He would say to me, “Give it another go, girl. Don’t give up just yet.” The hope of a dying man. I didn’t have it in my heart to tell him things were not looking good, so I kept trying to please him, pretending it was still fun. But the dying know when you’re comforting them, giving them sunshine in their darkness. In January, he finally said, “I am suffering.” We were teary, because we both knew in a short time I’d have to pull the plug. I am letting him go today. Tonight, we mourn.

Danyelle Dillon

Anonymous said...

1:00 AM - What do you mean Austin is not coming back. He never left. He and Jake were just photographed biking together with a JJ caption clearly stating they've been biking together for the last 2 years. JJ's stuff comes straight from PR.

Anonymous said...

Tuesday, April 04, 2006
Friday, April 04, 2008


Time flies when you're having fun.

Anonymous said...

Page Six

NOT HIS CROWD

IF you want Valentino Garavani to hang out, you'd better provide him with some suitable eye candy. The 76-year- old designer was spotted at West 17th Street club 1Oak last Sunday during the venue's self-promoted "gay night." A spy told us that the couture king "walked in, scanned the crowd and then immediately turned and walked out." The snitch said, "a lot of the guys were abuzz when they saw Valentino walk in, and were disappointed he didn't stay."

Doctor Parnassus said...

Final film 'won't waste Heath'

Terry Gilliam has said his film The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus, which was Heath Ledger's final movie, is a fitting tribute to the tragic star.

The Monty Python director said he was determined to make the film work, even though the actor died during filming, and Jude Law, Colin Farrell and Johnny Depp had to complete the part.

"It was very difficult but somehow we got adrenaline going and everybody was so determined to make it work and we did it and it ended up in some ways a more extraordinary film because of that," Terry said. He added: "The main thing is that it really works and that was what I was concerned about and I can say, hand on heart, that it's really good.

"I just didn't want to waste any moment of Heath in life or on screen and that's Parnassus."

The director also categorically denied rumours that the film will never get a box office release date and said: "There's this story running round that has absolutely no basis in truth at all, it started from a little blog and it's all over the place but it's good, it gives us free publicity."

"The film will come out in the Autumn."

Yahoo News

Anonymous said...

Isn't the circle cute? They seemed to ignore James and Ang who were standing next to Michelle. I also often felt sorry for Anne, it was obvious to me how close H,J,M were at the time and she was kinda left out. Jake didn't even thank her when he won the BAFTA. ;)

better times

Anne said...

Bad Jake!

Anonymous said...

aww

aww

That's when many dirty minds thought we'll get a full make out session. ;)

Anonymous said...

Bad Jake!

If Anne watched the BAFTA's she probably thought just that. ;)

Anonymous said...

That is such a touching post from Terry Gilliam about Dr. Parnassus. I can't wait to see it. :)

Anonymous said...

aww
aww


I love video / movie screen captures, you can see so much more :)

Anonymous said...

Yes. :)

Anonymous said...

another aww moment

Anonymous said...

Ok, two more:

Venice photo call

celebrating Golden Lion win (look how their bodies don't touch...lol ;))

Anonymous said...

Beautiful, especially the top one. You can see there was a connection between them - close friendship, a crush, but I believe they became close during BBM. I'll be thinking of Heath on his birthday Saturday. :)

Jake said...

better times

The best.

Anne said...

December 27, 2005

With her ''Brokeback" work, Hathaway has repositioned herself as a maturing actress, but when she went up for the role of Lureen, the bitchy wife of Jack Twist (Jake Gyllenhaal), she had a number of concerns:

First was that she was being stunt cast -- her goody-goody image being used to make the movie's gay cowboy theme more palatable to the parents of her ''Princess" fans. ''Although I don't have that big a name," she said earlier this month, ''with 13-year-olds, I'm huge."

She was therefore thrilled to find out that she had gotten the part based solely on her audition.

Upon reading the Annie Proulx short story on which the film is based, Hathaway had a second concern -- her character is barely mentioned. No problem there, either. One of the goals of screenwriters Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana was to flesh out the women.

A third concern arose once Hathaway got the role. During auditions she told director Ang Lee that she could ride a horse, but that was basically wishful thinking. ''You say yes to everything in the audition, short of one thing," she said. So in her research time leading up to production, Hathaway also learned to ride.

She was so good in the saddle that the stuntwoman brought in to ride for her was told they probably wouldn't need her. ''But on the day of the shoot they switched horses on me and put me on a real barrel-racing horse. ''I pulled on the reins, he stopped . . . and I kept going." Thrown, in front of 300 extras. ''I was scarlet with embarrassment," she said. ''They used the stuntwoman."

As for Lureen, who's first seen as a vivacious, raven-haired cowgirl and last seen as a worn-down, life-weary blonde (''As Jack turned to whiskey, Lureen turned to bleach"), Hathaway called the character a ''predator at her core." ''I never looked at Lureen as anything other than what happens when you're not honest in a relationship," she said.

Anonymous said...

^^I knew Annie will have a great career. She is talented and has charisma. I hope Jake and Michelle will have successful careers too.

Anonymous said...

You can see there was a connection between them

I saw the connection/friendship ever since they promoted BBM in Venice. What surprised me was that Jake seemed to be friends with Michelle too (I'm not a J/M shipper, just to get that straight!). I noticed it, when she stroke Jake's back when he embarassed himself. That's what you do when you know someone well, I believe. Then Michelle said in an interview that she knows both boys well, Jake and Heath, IDK anymore in what context. That's when it was clear to me they became friends during filming of BBM. So, it's not so strange they chose him as godfather. They became friends with Jake and he represents BBM.

Anonymous said...

I saw Lureen as much more complex - she started out as a full-of-life beauty who was used to getting what she wanted, and learned that life doesn't always turn out that way. She went into her marriage with high hopes, just as most do. I don't think she was any more prepared for what happened than Alma was, especially in those days, but Alma realized it and put her and her children first. Lureen I think maybe wanted to tough it out, not admit defeat, and I do think she loved Jack, and he loved her, in his way. But not a full, physical expression of it like he felt for Ennis, his natural inclination. Very complicated situations for their time, we see it somewhat differently today, but some of the same obstacles are there for same sex couples.

Anonymous said...

I noticed it, when she stroke Jake's back when he embarassed himself.

What did he do?

Anonymous said...

What did he do?

He didn't do anthing, he just said something embarassing, I can't remember anymore what exactly. I wish I could find the whole thing, you can only see 6 minutes of the conference on youtube. Kate from WDW posted the whole video on her site a few years ago.

Anonymous said...

^^Jake was also so sweet that everytime Michelle had to talk, he pushed her micro closer in front of her, so she didn't have to move forward which would have been difficult with her big belly. :)
Yes, Jake can be sweet sometimes when he's not reeking ;). :)

Anonymous said...

I noticed it, when she stroke Jake's back when he embarassed himself.

What did he do?

^^

I bet he was just playing "goofy/shy/cute guy" for the media, as he always did before the mask fell off from his face.

And i don't think the three of them were such good friends as some people want to believe. As soon the movie promotion was over, Jake returned to his city,his family,the last aragements for his new bearding contract and Heath concentrated in his work and his old friends then split w/ Michell when their kid was still a baby.
There was no "strong eternal bond" between any of them, you people just liked the movie and are fond of the characters but that is all.


wow,i'm a bitchy mood today.Sorry.

Anonymous said...

well Jake and michelle would be cute together even if I am not a j/m shipper either.

Anonymous said...

There was no "strong eternal bond" between any of them.

IDK, I think J/H were close during filming/promo time. Did they stay as close after that? No one knows (but discussing that over and over "where they, were they not close anymore" is beating a dead horse.

Anonymous said...

"well Jake and michelle would be cute together even if I am not a j/m shipper either."

O gosh don't wish Jake on Michelle nor any woman.

Anonymous said...

"well Jake and michelle would be cute together even if I am not a j/m shipper either."

O gosh don't wish Jake on Michelle nor any woman.

Anonymous said...

^ ^ ^

sorry! guess I have strong feelings about this.

Anonymous said...

OK, OK, we got it! ;)

Anonymous said...

^^LOL.

Anonymous said...

O gosh don't wish Jake on Michelle nor any woman.

Don't worry, they can wish it as much as they want. Aint even gonna happen.

Anonymous said...

^
ever

Anonymous said...

Actually, i think Michelle would be cuter with Peter *difficult last name* you know, Maggie's husband.
IDK. i just think that's more her type.

Anonymous said...

"Don't worry, they can wish it as much as they want. Aint even gonna happen."

You wish!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anne and Jake are beautiful together. Jake and Michelle no

Anonymous said...

10:36 AM lol, keep on dreaming.

Anonymous said...

Anne and Jake are beautiful together

ITA.

Anonymous said...

I think the best looking match of the BBM cast would have been Anne and Heath.

Anne's criminal boyfriend was horrendous (in looks and in morals)

Anonymous said...

I think the best looking match of the BBM cast would have been Anne and Heath.

They would have looked good together too, I agree.

What did she say about Heath? She said, he was beautiful, generous and special in so many ways. When he was still alive she said, if she just accomlished half what Heath did in BBM she would be happy. Fangirl or what? ;)

Anonymous said...

Are there new rules on this blog?

From now on Reese must only be mentioned in connection with the words "Oscar winner, tiny, beautiful, fantastic mother, highest paid". Any criticism of her implies you are an obese, jealous fanboy/girl.

Like Kevin Smith must be, then:

Why Kev Smith hates Reese

As for Jake: gay or straight he's a mummy's boy stuck in eternal adolescence. Looks good in the latest shopping pictures, though.

Anonymous said...

The problem with reeke ,besides the inmoral bearding, is that they don't look cute together.
John Trabolta may be the gayest man on the planet but he and his wife seem to fit very good.
Jake and Reese don't.

Anonymous said...

Jake and Reese don't.

No, they don't look good together.

Anonymous said...

Jake "excuse me m'am is it okay if I touch your tits?" G. and Anne?

I dont think so.

He would be an albatross around the neck of any gifted actress.

Anonymous said...

Overnight Delivery?! That's the movie where she's bosing Paul Rudd around; I wondered why his character still stays with her. So far from what would happen in a real-life relationship!

Anonymous said...

"From now on Reese must only be mentioned in connection with the words "Oscar winner, tiny, beautiful, fantastic mother, highest paid". Any criticism of her implies you are an obese, jealous fanboy/girl."

Then she is the most horrible peson on this earth!

Happy ?

Anonymous said...

Jake would look good with Michelle and Anne. He looks very good with Austin and looked very good with Heath, maybe even better with Heath, because they had a similar hight.

J/R

J/A

J/M

Anonymous said...

"No, they don't look good together."

She is too tiny and looks like a mum for him but I came to the conclusion it's maybe what he wants.

Anonymous said...

So Kevin Smith was involved in a public disaccord with Reese. It also says that the Weinsteins "have passed on Red State" screenplay by Kevin Smith, which was already finished. In the same vein, will Naomi and Steven be made to hate on who Reese hates, as a part of the Contract?

Anonymous said...

11:24 AM Jake has no chemistry with either of these women but I agree with you , he looked best with Heath. By far.

Anonymous said...

he looked best with Heath. By far.

Amen! ;)

Anonymous said...

11:27 AM

Jake wanted a beard, I bet he wasn't looking for a bitchy midget.

Anonymous said...

In the same vein, will Naomi and Steven be made to hate on who Reese hates, as a part of the Contract?

No, the beard isn't that important.

Anonymous said...

"Jake wanted a beard, I bet he wasn't looking for a bitchy midget."

He wanted more than a beard!

Anonymous said...

No.

"Rendition", CAA, beard looking for a "boyfriend", ... it looked good on the paper.

Anonymous said...

Jake pratically radiated around Heath. The boy had it bad. It must have been tough to be that in lust with someone you couldn't have.

He and Heath would have made a gorgeous couple.

Anonymous said...

Given his son's (at least former) relationship with Heath, I don't understand what the point of Stephen G.'s post of yesterday. Seems rather ugly, snide and hurtful.

Did he know Heath? why now after all of this time and so close to his birthday?

Anonymous said...

"Jake pratically radiated around Heath. The boy had it bad. It must have been tough to be that in lust with someone you couldn't have."

Oh no the Jake/heath slash again!!

BORING

Stephen Gyllenhaal said...

Sunday, 29 March 2009

Heath's Message

Every death sends a message. What have I learned from Heath’s death?

Anonymous said...

"Seems rather ugly, snide and hurtful."

What did he say about Heath ?

Anonymous said...

^^^ See post 11:55 AM.

Anonymous said...

11:54 does the truth bother you?

Your ‘BORING’ is getting old. Scroll or sit the fuck down.

Anonymous said...

"Every death sends a message?" Guh!
This man is a depressive, even Cuntera is hanging up on him.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure it wasn't meant to be condescending, but I don't think "we" have to learn anything from the loss of Heath. It was just a terrible, terrible tragedy, a huge emptiness left without him, and his talent. That's the biggest message.

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Anonymous said...

You'd better adjust, because I don't think people will stop talking about J&H. Jackie, who runs this blog, said it is an approved topic here.

Anonymous said...

"You'd better adjust, because I don't think people will stop talking about J&H. Jackie, who runs this blog, said it is an approved topic here."

Who said it wasn't an "approved topic" - ? Doesnt mean those of us who are ZZZZZBOREDTODEATH - need to "adjust" -

"Why are you so threatened" (haha being ironic) by those who are BOREDTODEATH by this subject?

Go scroll and/or "adjust" yourself, you silly person.

Anonymous said...

I agree 12:04, but then what was the point of Stephen's post? What you said would be obvious to any thinking person. Heath's been dead for over a year, why is Stephen mentioning him now?

I don't know, but I think there is something else to this. And I don't think it's good.

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Anonymous said...

12:14 PM ZZZZZZZZ

Anonymous said...

Too bad Jake's life is so tedious these days we have nothing else to do but dredge up old material.

I luv Kevin Smith!

Jake said...

Gemma stuck her tongue down my throat. I got so freaked out. I gargled salt water and mouthwash and as you know Im kind of a hypochondriach (spelling?) and nervous nellie and Im checking in at the Medical Building twice a week to be sure I didnt get a STD or something.

Anonymous said...

I have always been curious as to why any discussion of Jake's obvious attraction to Heath bothers some so much. Some sound so threatened by it. How can it be any more boring than discussing Jake and Austin. Of these three, Heath has been the most multi-faceted and talented.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why it's being brought up now. I'm going to take the high road and assume that it's because after a year, people are taking time for reflection, now that for most, the grieving is over and we can love and appreciate Heath for himself and his talent. We'll miss him much.

Atticus said...

Girls are yucky for Daddy.

Anonymous said...

"I have always been curious as to why any discussion of Jake's obvious attraction to Heath bothers some so much. Some sound so threatened by it. How can it be any more boring than discussing Jake and Austin. Of these three, Heath has been the most multi-faceted and talented."

Hello heathen how are you ?

yeah I get his "obvious" attraction.

Gemma said...

Oh, do shut up, Gyllenhaal! You had no problem with all those peens.

Anonymous said...

I have always been curious as to why any discussion of Jake's obvious attraction to Heath bothers some so much. Some sound so threatened by it. How can it be any more boring than discussing Jake and Austin. Of these three, Heath has been the most multi-faceted and talented.

ITA. It bothers the shit out of some posters here. So pathetic, it’s not even funny.

BTW to those who keep replying to posts that say Jake has a crush on Heath with "oh, Jake/Heath slash again". Einstein, that's not slash, that's REALITY. Slash would be saying Heath returned Jake's feelings or that something happened between them. No one believes or ever said that. So what's the big deal?

Anonymous said...

"You'd better adjust, because I don't think people will stop talking about J&H. Jackie, who runs this blog, said it is an approved topic here."

I am glad all fantasies are approved here.

Anonymous said...

I see we have a lot of "non-thinking persons" checking in regularly to a blog they don't agree with, so it may not be so obvious to them. Hello new fanbase! ;)

Anonymous said...

"BTW to those who keep replying to posts that say Jake has a crush on Heath "

The reality is you take for "crush" all the tender look Jake gives here and there.

Maybe it is, but for sure that don't last long time.

Anonymous said...

"I see we have a lot of "non-thinking persons" checking in regularly to a blog they don't agree with, so it may not be so obvious to them. "

That bother you ?

Anonymous said...

The reality is you take for "crush" all the tender look Jake gives here and there.

Are you playing stupid or are you just blind? Or both?

greazy reezy said...

Beats me why my "boyfriend" keeps running off to the medical center.
And showers three times a day.

Anonymous said...

Yeah all these "approved fantasies" from all over, sometimes it feels like Grand Central Station.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah all these "approved fantasies" from all over, sometimes it feels like Grand Central Station."

Does that "bother you".

Discuss.

(wake me up when the discussion is over. thanks. zzzzzz)

Anonymous said...

^ that's ok, keep sleeping

Anonymous said...

"Are you playing stupid or are you just blind? Or both?"

I am sure on Brothers promo he will look at Tobey tenderly and maybe Nathalie too and then new fans will come.

Anonymous said...

people think he was hot for heath but he was mostly dealing with new contacts.

Jake said...

Tobey?

I can't stand that little weasel, my complexion looks terrible in the movie because of him!

Anonymous said...

I am sure on Brothers promo he will look at Tobey tenderly and maybe Nathalie too and then new fans will come.

Interesting. Let's see if Jake looks at Tobey and Natalie like he looked at Heath, with tenderness and a truckload of lust:

checking out Heath's package
presenting
photocall
eyefucking

He was always dealing with new contacts around Heath?! lol, really funny.

Anonymous said...

people think he was hot for heath but he was mostly dealing with new contacts

Huh? Don't understand. Ich verstehe Sie nicht.

Tobey said...

Jake wouldn't dare looking at me like that - my wife would kick his ass!

Anonymous said...

Jake could not fucking SEE because of his new contact lenses -

therefore it seems that he was hot for Heath but he was mostly confused -

just kidding hahahah why are you all so THREATENED and DEFENSIVE.

everybody knows he was hot for heath. but it's old news. for those who are still gettting off on it, have a good wank.

Anonymous said...

^ah yes, the old "contact lenses" excuse for Jake looking at people.
Posters used to say the same about the Jake/Austin Laker pictures.

I wear hard contact lenses. When they get gritty and sore I look down a lot as it gets painful to look up, rub my eyelids, maybe take one out.

It does not make me look more intensely at the person next to me, with what may be interpreted as lust/affection.

Anonymous said...

everybody knows he was hot for heath. but it's old news. for those who are still gettting off on it, have a good wank.

Couldn't agree more, sometimes folks you just need to move on.

Anonymous said...

We won't.

Anonymous said...

According to Popsugar, Ryan has a good movie coming out, and Terry Gilliam promises us we're going to get as much Heath as possible in Dr. Parnassus! :)

Anonymous said...

"We won't."

We know you won't, lil darlins, you dont have to keep saying it, like a bunch of two year olds.

Heathens are so adorable when they get mad.

Anonymous said...

We won't.
Honestly by not having a good wank you're depriving yourselves of one of life's great free pleasures. To paraphrase Woody Allen says, at least you're having sex with someone you love.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, I wonder if what really bothers some of those about J and H is that they suspect that, deep down, if Jake could have figured out any kind of way to be with Heath, Austin would have been dumped posthaste. I think some are afraid it may have been more than just lust. But don't worry, Heath's dead.

I wonder if Jake would have gone to either the New York or LA premieres if Heath were still alive?

Anonymous said...

1:33, and yet . . . still, you come here. Just a friendly reminder every now and then to keep you on your cloven troll toes. ;)

Anonymous said...

O so some of you guys think those bored with J/H are Austin lovers.

Why are you "so threatened" by Austin?

hahahahaha just kidding.

(you guys are adorable.)

Anonymous said...

"1:33, and yet . . . still, you come here. Just a friendly reminder every now and then to keep you on your cloven troll toes. ;)"

Since when is it trollish to tease Heathens?

You are all so deliciously teasable.

Anonymous said...

You have no idea. ;)

Anonymous said...

The "fantasies" about Jake and Heath are just as viable as the "fantasies" about Jake and Austin.

There is no real, hard evidence of any sexual relationship between any of them. It's all speculation and conjecture until one of the principals confirms it.

Heath is just more interesting and was definately more talented. Just on that basis, he makes for a better lover for Jake because he would be more inspiring and challenging.

Be honest. Jake and Heath or Jake and Austin. Jake and Heath, hands down.

Anonymous said...

Then she is the most horrible peson on this earth!

Happy ?


No. If you want to celebrate the wonder that is Reese why don't you go to a Reese-based blog where you can all swap posts about how beautiful and tiny and highly-paid she is, instead of moaning when anybody bitches about her here. This blog is not for Reese fans.

Anonymous said...

"Be honest. Jake and Heath or Jake and Austin. Jake and Heath, hands down."

Yeah but ahem cough cough

Austin appears to be gay, Heath to all appearances was not gay.

Whatever: I'd like to see Jake with an older guy, myself.

Anonymous said...

I would say most of us here don't hate or dislike Reese - but we're not jumping on the bandwagon either. Don't have to.

Anonymous said...

12:11, How does one "appear" to be gay or straight (surely you heard the rumors about Heath and young boys?)? Why would anyone on this blog be perpetuating stereotypes?

2:02 was talking about what would be the better relationship for Jake if the choice were between Heath and Austin and why.

Anonymous said...

"I would say most of us here don't hate or dislike Reese "

You must be kidding no ?

Anonymous said...

2:11 if you want to keep hating someone until you implode, by all means.

Some of us dislike Reese; some are neutral about her. But then there are those of us who are adults who recognize shades of grey.

Anonymous said...

"Heath is just more interesting and was definately more talented. Just on that basis, he makes for a better lover for Jake because he would be more inspiring and challenging."

Yeah Jake needs a god to be inspired.

Anonymous said...

No, 2:17 is not kidding. I certainly agree.

Anonymous said...

" But then there are those of us who are adults who recognize shades of grey."

Why would any "adults" want to post on Jake fan-tasy blogs?

Anonymous said...

""I would say most of us here don't hate or dislike Reese "

Who is "us"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

Anonymous said...

Reese is a blight upon humanity. Most reasonable adults agree.

Anonymous said...

2:36, no they don't.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Jake needs a god, but all he has is Austin.

Anonymous said...

I am sure on Brothers promo he will look at Tobey tenderly and maybe Nathalie too and then new fans will come.

We will see!

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