Montgomery Clift rolling cigarette
during shooting of 'Red River', circa 1948
during shooting of 'Red River', circa 1948
The Advocate: There are so many biographies of Montgomery Clift and numerous websites devoted to him. What was the biggest surprise you learned about him while researching your book?
Amy Lawrence: I was most impressed by Clift’s canny understanding of his own image. Many biographers depict him as refusing to participate in the Hollywood star system, but that didn’t mean he was ignorant of it. He understood how an actor’s image was built and maintained. In giving interviews or choosing roles, he knew exactly how to shape a performance to achieve the effect he wanted — and to resist the efforts of others to simplify a character. For instance, he was aware that screenwriters and directors often wanted to make the hero perfect; Clift wanted to make the character human, complicated, and not always admirable.
Q: Clift is often spoken of in context as a “gay actor” or in conjunction with Marlon Brando and James Dean. What do you see as Clift’s singular legacy?
A: Brando and Dean both thought of Clift as singular. Brando saw Clift as his only major competition, and Dean saw him as a model, an ideal to emulate. Unlike those performers, Clift’s best work has not become dated. In Red River, From Here to Eternity, A Place in the Sun, I Confess, and half a dozen others, his performances are impeccable. At his best he is never mannered or predictable. His performances are subtle, intelligent, graceful, and deeply empathetic regardless of the character’s flaws.
Q: How did Clift’s being gay — or bisexual, as some suggest — when it was still taboo affect his drinking, drug taking, and ultimate downward spiral?
A: The homophobia of the time, which intensified nationally just as Clift’s career was beginning in the late 1940s and early ’50s, certainly exerted pressure on Clift. A serious relationship with choreographer Jerome Robbins in the ’40s threatened both their careers when Robbins was blackmailed into testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee hearings regarding communists and other “subversives” in Washington and the entertainment community. I would be hesitant, though, to cast Clift as a “sad young man,” “self-loathing homosexual,” or fit him into any other category into which gay men were sorted from the 1950s to ’70s. Alcoholism affects everyone, and in the postwar period heavy drinking was routine across the board. By the time Clift’s drinking became full-blown alcoholism, it was impossible to disentangle from his devastating car accident, the prescription painkillers he needed at the time, and his professional fear regarding the damage done to his face. In the latter part of his career, his drinking and drug taking were so dominant in his life that he couldn’t function without them. Paradoxically, at the point when he worked with unsupportive or openly hostile homophobic producers and directors, the drugs and drinking sustained him as much as they destroyed him.
Q: You write about the fan magazines of the 1950s that frequently used sexually suggestive headlines such as “Who Is Monty Kidding?” How well known was the truth about Clift’s sexuality during that era?
A: Clift worked in a period when fan magazines were challenged by scandal magazines, each promising “the truth” about stars’ private lives. Ironically, even the scandal rags did not want any “truth” firmly established because that would rob them of the chance to repeatedly tantalize readers with the next promised exposé. Biographical information suggests that people who worked with Clift always “knew” in exact proportion to what they wanted to know. Fans likewise. Everyone minimized the complexity of Clift’s emotional relationships — with men, older women, young women — in order to maintain the image of the actor that appealed to them most.
Q: A recent article in Newsweek suggests audiences can’t accept gay actors as romantic leading men when we know the truth about their real-life sexuality and uses Rock Hudson as an example. How do you think this applies to Clift, who had such intense chemistry on-screen with Elizabeth Taylor and other actresses?
A: When audiences think they know something about an actor’s personal sexuality it becomes available as a touchstone to spectators watching a performance but is never mandatory. People judging a performance often appreciate it most the more it varies from what we think we know about the performer — casting against type, nice people playing psychos, beautiful actresses playing ugly. If we think of Clift as an actor, then his persuasiveness as a romantic lead opposite Taylor, Olivia de Havilland, or Jennifer Jones increases our appreciation of his skill as he seems to become inseparable from the role.
Another issue is history itself. As new generations are introduced to Clift and Hudson, they often react to the performers without knowing any biographical information about them. They are also less invested in “the truth” than those who experienced a change in their perception through revelations and the exposure of secrets. The freer sexuality of Brando or Dean, for instance, has not come to dominate their images.
Q: How do you think Clift would have fared personally and professionally if he began his career today, with the intrusion of the Internet and paparazzi?
A: The intrusion of the media today is offset by the openness of some gay performers — though not romantic leading men just yet. As Tom Cruise’s career shows, it is possible to withstand rumors and media speculation if you have the power and the will to do so. Because Clift was never as closeted as Rock Hudson, I don’t believe he would fight terribly hard to maintain the illusion of offscreen heterosexuality. He might be more likely to take a Keanu Reeves approach, where the actor neither courts nor tries to dispel the fantasies of any fan. In several roles in the severely repressive 1950s he even courted audiences to read his characters — and maybe himself — as gay in the casually flirtatious scenes in Red River, the rejection of heterosexual relationships in I Confess, Suddenly, Last Summer, and Freud, the material on gay Army life that acts as a subtext throughout From Here to Eternity, and the relationship with Frank Sinatra’s character in the film.
Source: Advocate, The Most Beautiful Man in Film
3,267 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 3267 Newer› Newest»8:45 AM - if you are Jake's fan, then you know that Jake was bearding with the chin. Who are you trying to fool?
IMO it's about time one of his friends publically took on the gay-mongers.
Why? Jake's friends forgot that he "dated" a woman for two years and is officially "straight"? LOL
Portia de Rossi Granted Legal Name Change
lol at 8:45AM. omg, you've changed everyone's mind here! Now we all believe Jake is 100% straight! Thank god you decided to post and show us the light! Now if I can only figure out why someone who is so sure Jake is a bona fide heterosexual is hanging around this blog ...
Portia de Rossi can now officially call herself Mrs. Ellen DeGeneres! Her request to legally change her name to Portia Lee James DeGeneres was approved this week by a Los Angeles judge. The totally adorable couple were married in 2008.
She's HUGE fan of mine!
As I've said, I think Jake is bi and Heath was bi/bi curious.
Franco said. . . She's HUGE fan of mine.
Fan of General Francisco Franco?
(Hint: When you're other than American trying to post as an American celebrity, it's helpful to use proper English and grammar.)
Now if I can only figure out why someone who is so sure Jake is a bona fide heterosexual is hanging around this blog ...
maybe 8.45 is a fruitfly, with an identity crisis
I think we can agree that Heath had a hard time keeping his dick in his pants. If he had been into men, too, he would've hooked up with Jake, no question about it. I really don't think that's the case, IMO he was one of the very few genuinely straight men in Hollywood.
There is no way to know what went on between them. You can not claim to know anything for sure.
what's happening in your pants Jake?
siiigh
where's your hand Jakey baby?
(Hint: When you're other than American trying to post as an American celebrity, it's helpful to use proper English and grammar.)
pull the plum out of your ass for at least 30 seconds a day, and preferably while you are posting here.
8:45: You need to stop going to other blogs and cut and paste comments here pretending the the original poster is posting here.
You aren't the only one that lurks, you aren't fooling anyone, please stop, if we are so curious to know what is being posted on other blogs we will go there and read it ourselves.
You are as obsessed as SK with that site, is that you SK???
LOL!
From twitter:
Sittin next to jake gyllenhaal right now. He looks like a lumberjack. He's with some twunt named Fanny who's drunk & littering everywhere
The pussyhunting has begun!
Fan of General Francisco Franco?
Nah, our Franco. Portia Lee James DeGeneres
where's your hand Jakey baby?
Heath was an indulgent man. ;)
8:45: You need to stop going to other blogs and cut and paste comments here pretending the the original poster is posting here.
Which blog? I visit only WFT2.
"He even talked in an interview how maybe Naomi will play Alma"
LOL!, Naomi could only play Alma's grandmother.
But I've always found very strange how Heath talked so smoothy about his relationship with Michelle during BBM promo, even sharing such private details and feelings. When all the hype of the movie's release stayed in the past he suddenly stop speaking and always got very uncomfortable when some reporter hit the subject.
I don't think Heath was 100% paranoid about gay gossip and jokes and I do believe he tried very hard to make it work with MW but it does seem that he thought his hook up with her was a very convenient thing to do at that moment.
Sorry,Heath/Michelle shippers, but that's what I think ;)
From twitter:
Sittin next to jake gyllenhaal right now. He looks like a lumberjack. He's with some twunt named Fanny who's drunk & littering everywhere
link? or at least the twittername?
Le Grand Fooding (@ PS1 Contemporary Art Center w/ 18 others) http://4sq.com/648IpX
about 16 hours ago via foursquare
Sittin next to jake gyllenhaal right now. He looks like a lumberjack. He's with some twunt named Fanny who's drunk & littering everywhere
about 14 hours ago
http://twitter.com/copyrider
thanks, 10:32AM :)
Another tweet from copyrider
"@lconky I'm never going there again w/o a driver, & a liter of Grey Goose. Did you know that bars in Queens don't even carry it! So hood."
about 8 hours ago via web in reply to lconky
if that copyrider sighting is for real and the hobo one from yesterday, what's up with Jake? at first I thought the lumberjack beard was just because he's not working and doesn't want to bother shaving, but it seems off to me now, like he's in a very bad place (emotionally).
Jake is almost invisible now.
but it seems off to me now, like he's in a very bad place (emotionally).
Jake's probably depressed because of his PoP and his career in general but I doubt he's in a "very bad place (emotionally)" just because he hasn't shaven.
Well, he's out, not sleeping with a TV on.
but I doubt he's in a "very bad place (emotionally)" just because he hasn't shaven.
oh, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I don't think that he's in a bad place simply because he hasn't shaven. It's a combination of the way he seems to be "hiding" (and the beard helps that) and the behavior (if the sightings are true). On the subway with a garbage bag? Why would he even be on a subway? Hanging with some drunken woman at a gallery? idk, I'm sure he'll pull his act together for LAOD promo, but he doesn't appear to be just having some relaxed downtime. just, imo, of course.
Oh shit, Jake's riding the subway looking like a hobo? That's what Heath did before he died... :(
Jake has exactly one week to pull his act together.
STFU, 11:27 AM!! :(
MAYBE JAKE IS PULLING A JOAQUIN PHOENIX 'S OX!!
Nah, Jake's not that desperate.
"Jake has exactly one week to pull his act together"
Shaving, Taking a shower, dress properly (for the show) - one hour, if he takes his time.....
Why would he even be on a subway?"
That's a stupid question to ask. Have you EVER been to NYC? Using the subway is a COMMON way to get around the city--even if you're a famous actor. What do you want Jake to use limos 24/7? Or taxis (they are expensive if you're going from Manhattan to Brooklyn or another borough).
oh, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I don't think that he's in a bad place simply because he hasn't shaven. It's a combination of the way he seems to be "hiding" (and the beard helps that) and the behavior (if the sightings are true). On the subway with a garbage bag? Why would he even be on a subway? Hanging with some drunken woman at a gallery? idk, I'm sure he'll pull his act together for LAOD promo, but he doesn't appear to be just having some relaxed downtime. just, imo, of course.
What the fuck are you even talking about? How is Jake hiding? Since he's been in BK/NYC he's been spotted loads. Also you obviously must live in some rural Alabammy hamlet since you can't comprehend public transportation in a large city. I think the mention of Jake with the garbage bag was a joke. He's got a big beard, ergo he resembles a homeless man in NYC, ergo garbage bag with all his earthly possessions.
No matter what's going on inside him, Jake will "pull his act together" - but I do think that involves more than the superficial things like shaving and dressing properly. He's a professional and he always steps up and does the job when he needs to and promoting LAOD is part of his job, not to mention the fact that obviously he wants the movie to do well. But just because he'll be charming and funny and upbeat during interviews doesn't mean that's what he's feeling inside. All people are more complex than that, and a closeted gay actor definitely leads a complex life.
Ah, I see 12:11PM is his/her usual self this am, lol. Can't make a post without being insulting and condescending.
LOL tell us more Fraulein Freud.
What do you want Jake to use limos 24/7? Or taxis (they are expensive if you're going from Manhattan to Brooklyn or another borough).
Taxi is not as green as subway, but Jake doesn't need them every day so yes, I would expect Jake to use them. I would.
I don't think that he's in a bad place simply because he hasn't shaven. It's a combination of the way he seems to be "hiding" (and the beard helps that) and the behavior (if the sightings are true).
You would be in a bad mental state also if the loudest and most vocal portion of your fans are flaming sissy boys who are constantly screaming on every entertainment blog that he's gay and one of them and needs to come out of the closet. Bashing him every time his picture shows up. Then there are the SLASHIES (sexless women who are obsessed with gay homo sex who want to either be in the middle or are secretely butch gay women who think they're men who want gay man sex) who knows what motivates them. And the crazyies who infitrate every site with his picture that he has a secrete baby with a man, and "He's hiding it"). Fans like these would make anyone sick because they are relentless with their bullshit and nasty comments on every blog.
Talk about preaching exceptance, tolerance and love while trying to tear another down? And they don't know the guy personally, they think they do, but they don't.
Even if he's str8, gay or bisexual, it's his business and he deserves the right to come out or not and live his life the way he see fit.
1:11 PM, why do you hate gay people?
1:15: This is NIT a gay blog. It's a blog created to gossip and engage in slash fanatasies by straight women.
Posting links to other gay blogs and pretending to care about gay issues doesn't make this a gay blog.
It's more ONTD except the women here are older
Talk about preaching exceptance
I think the word you're looking for, 1:11PM, is "acceptance."
Posting links to other gay blogs and pretending to care about gay issues doesn't make this a gay blog.
Jake is gay, we care about him so we obviously care about gay issues! Duh!
why do you hate gay people?
You are so wrong. But you sound like a young gay person who may not realize that most gay people have challenges with their own exceptance and coming out, if they come out. Mostly men though
You also sound like someone who makes it a hobby with Jake is gay comments because.....
You name it. It still does not make anything true. Nothing.
He could be, he may not be, So What.
It don't even matter.
is "acceptance."
It WAS Thanks! LOL
1:15: This is NIT a gay blog.
Huh? I asked why you hate gay people, not why you hate WFT2 posters. Please answer.
1:11PM you're way overestimating the power of any blog over Jake or anyone else. Whatever problems Jake has or doesn't have aren't caused by any blogs.
I don't think Jake has any problems. Looks to me like he's just living his life outside the fishbowl. Bravo to him.
1:40 PM, we are No Bullshit fans.
1:40 PM, you are homophobic trash.
Now Adam's comments are sane and makes sense.
How Adam's homophobic comment and lies about Jake's sexuality make sense?
you are homophobic trash.
No. Look within. You may be the homophobic trash with your relentless comments and attacks calling someone gay, in the closet, and has a hiddnen surrogate baby, someone that you never met and don't know.
Acceptance Much huh?
Geez, you don't even know what word homophobic means! Do look it up.
How Adam's homophobic comment and lies about Jake's sexuality make sense?
ok, Adams comments may be wrong, but, Adam does know Jake and has known him for some time, do YOU?
I would take his comments as more truth worthy than a fan on a fan site who does not know Jake.
I will repeat, Adam could be wrong though.
Geez, you don't even know what word homophobic means! Do look it up.
I know enough about it's deffinition to know that some gay people preach homophobic messages. Some know it (Minister Eddie Long)lol and some don't younger and older gays who try to pull people out of the closet for their "own" self worth. Then try to bash them. There are plenty of other examples.
Taxi is not as green as subway, but Jake doesn't need them every day so yes, I would expect Jake to use them. I would."
Then you must be very rich or are an out-of-towner. Do you know how much taxis' fare cost nowadays??? Once you get into the taxi, the fare meter runs at over $2--and it keeps going up and up during the ride. To take a taxi from uptown Manhattan to Brooklyn would run you in the ballpark of $20 or more. Trust me if you live in NYC (which you clearly do not), you wouldn't rely so much on taxis to get around town. Subways are the best, cheapest and most convenient mode of transportation in the city.
I would take his comments as more truth worthy than a fan on a fan site who does not know Jake.
Adam's comments are worthless.
If Jake is gay he would never ever admit that. As Jake's friend and celebrity he would help Jake to stay in the closet.
Trust me if you live in NYC (which you clearly do not), you wouldn't rely so much on taxis to get around town.
That was my point - Jake doesn't live in NYC, he needs taxi from time to time.
I know enough about it's deffinition to know that some gay people preach homophobic messages.
You are a homophobe - there is nothing homophobic about "calling someone gay, in the closet" (1:50 PM post).
Adam's comments are worthless.
We disagree.
If Jake is gay he would never ever admit that.
You don't know that. How long did it take Ian McClullan, Richard Chamberlan, and a whole host of stars with gay rumors to admit it. Ricky, Clay?
As Jake's friend and celebrity he would help Jake to stay in the closet.
I see as the way Adam feels about it, true or false, and if Jake is gay, for Jake to announce / admit it, not him. Makes good common sense to me.
If Jake is gay he would never ever admit that.
You don't know that.
EVERYONE knows that, Adam would never out Jake.
You are a homophobe - there is nothing homophobic about "calling someone gay, in the closet"
if you are running around to all the ent blog and gay blogs screaming Jake is gay without and proven evidence to you statement you are a part of the homophobic ranters. Trying to make someone gay for your self worth probably.
I know entertainment site are just that and you can get away with it, but my point is bitching and screaming about someone being gay with any real concrete evidence is not right and can be called a form or bashing. YOU think he's gay, you don't KNoW if it's true. You want and hope it's true, does not make it true.
Adam didn't even have to bring up the gay rumors. It was probably something that bothered Jake and Adam knew. Hence he addressed it.
^^Felt the liberty to address it.
someone being gay with any real concrete evidence
should be *without* any real concrete evidence
Bullshit. There is nothing wrong or homophobic about saying or believing that someone is gay.
It was probably something that bothered Jake and Adam knew. Hence he addressed it.
Sounds like there is something that bothers Adam, not Jake.
YOU think he's gay, you don't KNoW if it's true.
I know Jake is gay, I'm 100% convinced.
Sounds like there is something that bothers Adam, not Jake.
How do you know the rumors don't bother Jake? You can't.
I can't, but I do know what Adam (so badly) said.
someone being gay with any real concrete evidence
Jake's ex-bearding is real, concrete evidence.
How do you know that was bearding?
What evidence? It's your opinion.
Photographs, not just my opinion.
Photographs, not just my opinion.
I'm not saying it wasn't a bearding case, but photographs prove nothing. You don't know the context of them.
How do the photographs depict bearding?
I saw pics on IHJ, that's all the proof i need!!!!!
Jake's ex-bearding is real, concrete evidence.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's real in "your" world. Maybe 200 other fans also, but you have not seen any contract for Reeke bearding, you were not with them 24/7, You have not talked to he or Reese, nobody. So no matter how much you or I run around using their relationship, whatever it was a "real bearding" situation, you don't have facts for it, and claiming to Know what's true is just stupid and does nothing but help you belief which could be WRONG. thats all. As someone said, Jake could date or be seen with any woman and you and some will call her a beard. This can go on for 10 more years and you'll still be posting about him coming out, hiding and bearding.
Apparently you don't see this, I do.
photographs prove nothing
WTF? Are you joking? You never heard about court evidence?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's real in "your" world. Maybe 200 other fans also, but you have not seen any contract for Reeke bearding
Nice try, LOL!
I have seen 5.000 photographs which prove that Reeke was just PR arrangement, not a relationship. Real world, real evidence.
I saw pics on IHJ, that's all the proof i need!!!!!
You'll have to be a little more convincing, have further, you know, concrete evidence than just "I saw them on IHJ!!!". You must see lots of pics of couples all over the Internet. Are they all bearding, too?
Apparently you don't see this, I do.
See what? That you're playing stupid about Jake's bearding? I see that very clearly!
3:01 PM #1, does Bradley Cooper beard with Renee Z?
Nice try, LOL!
I have seen 5.000 photographs which prove that Reeke was just PR arrangement, not a relationship. Real world, real evidence.
But what exactly is your evidence? Did you see a pic of Jake and Reese carrying around a bearding contract in one of those 5,000 pics?
WTF? Are you joking? You never heard about court evidence?
I felt Jake often seemed annoyed being papped, esp. with her kids. I think Reese called paparazzi w/o his knowledge a few times. They were both using Reeke for famewhoring, but she exaggerated.
I do think they were dating for real.
Have you seen Reese with her new BF? Almost same pics as with Jake.
You'll have to be a little more convincing, have further, you know, concrete evidence than just "I saw them on IHJ!!!".
You are welcome to read all WFT2 and OMG comments about Reeke photos and photo ops. Report after you checked them all.
But what exactly is your evidence?
What exactly is your evidence that Jake ever REALLY dated a female?
I have done, 3:05. That's not "proof" of anything is it. Just speculation, isn't it.
What exactly is your evidence that Jake ever REALLY dated a female?
Not the poster you addressed the question to, but we can't prove that he dated or didn't date those women. As we can't prove whether he's strictly gay or strictly straght.
Kirsten Dunst did brag about them banging in public places. Maybe she lied? Who knows?
You are welcome to read all WFT2 and OMG comments about Reeke photos and photo ops. Report after you checked them all.
^^ What the *T&%^%() are you talking about??? I draw my own conclusions, not what some others who may have ulterior motives as in "he's gay with Austin and have a baby in hiding" motive?
One of their motives is he has to be gay because Ted said so.
That's one. I usually use common sense and rational reasoning. So, sense I have not been the the 2 Reeke 24/7 I can't say I truly knew if they were dating or not. It's rational reasoning to me....
Maybe??? There is nothing maybe about that.
Maybe??? There is nothing maybe about that.
To you.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. I say, no one here knows anything for sure.
I have done, 3:05. That's not "proof" of anything is it. Just speculation, isn't it.
No, that is proof of bearding. Reeke were batter at faking than Bradley Cooper and Renee Z, but it is easy to spot fakers when you have tons of photographs.
What exactly is your evidence that Jake ever REALLY dated a female?
I don't care whether he ever dated a female. The point I'm trying to make is that nobody has any concrete evidence of bearding and throwing out those words begs for explanation and evidence of what the absolute proof is. So far nobody has offered that absolute proof. Claiming that photos depict the bearding is poppycock.
I say, no one here knows anything for sure.
You are wrong, I know that Jake bearded and I know that for sure.
Reese's pap pics with her new "BF" are almost the same as with Jake, hjim has been papped wearing he same Livestrong gear among other things!!
There is chatter that he has a real GF and that he shows up for pap pics, sound familair?
makes you think that she is hiding something because she and Toth come off a super fake
You are wrong, I know that Jake bearded and I know that for sure.
Because of the pap pics, right?
Ok, I rest may case. ;)
You are wrong, I know that Jake bearded and I know that for sure.
And I'm the Queen of England.
Claiming that photos depict the bearding is poppycock.
LMAO! Do tell me you believe Bradley Cooper and Renee Z are really dating, I dare you!
where's your hand Jakey baby?
Heath was an indulgent man. ;)
Ha yeah, Jake had many liberties with him it seems. ;)
I draw my own conclusions, not what some others who may have ulterior motives as in "he's gay with Austin and have a baby in hiding" motive?
You don't draw any conclusions, you are just selling "Jake isn't gay" bullshit.
LMAO! Do tell me you believe Bradley Cooper and Renee Z are really dating, I dare you!
I could give a rat's arse about Cooper and Z. Are they the only other couple in all of Hollywood who gets their photos taken?
I don't know why some have a problem with the possibility that Jake may be bisexual?
^^Bi people exist too, you know.
I could give a rat's arse about Cooper and Z.
Avoiding answer again?
No one is asking you to give shit about them, just to check their "dating" photos.
Here, please spend 3 minutes looking at Cooper and Z pictures and tell us if you believe Bradley Cooper and Renee Z are really dating:
JJ pics
I don't know why some have a problem with the possibility that Jake may be bisexual?
Jake has problem with dating women, don't blame us for his gayness.
I can't deduce anything from photos as to their relationship, whatever that may be. And neither can you. And neither could anyone deduce anything from photos of Jake and Reese.
I'm not new on here, I was intrigued by TT after I became a fan of Jake's. But with time I formed by own opinion, drew my own conclusions. See, I do believe Jake and Austin were more than friends for a while. To me it seems Jake either experimented a bit with him or he is bisexual. They are probably just friends now.
The only thing I believe Ted is that he saw Jake and Austin flirt (holding hands) in that restaurant. But many of the TT stories are absurd (i.e. Baby Tile). He lost a lot of credibility for me.
3:31, can you tell me the circumstances behind all those JJ photos you linked? For instance, what the paps might have been saying to them, their frame of mind, what each of them were thinking in that very moment they were being papped?
I can't deduce anything from photos as to their relationship, whatever that may be. And neither can you. And neither could anyone deduce anything from photos of Jake and Reese.
You sound really desperate. Everyone who cares to look at Reeke photos can deduce a lot about the "relationship".
What's next, you are going to claim that nothing can be deduced from body language?
What's next, you are going to claim that nothing can be deduced from body language?
You can deduce something from bodylanguage. Seeing someone uncomfortable may have many reasons. Trouble within the relationship, bothered by paparazzi, or maybe not wanting to participate in an organized op. Many reasons.
3:31, can you tell me the circumstances behind all those JJ photos you linked? For instance, what the paps might have been saying to them, their frame of mind, what each of them were thinking in that very moment they were being papped?
OK, one example: here is Bradley thinking "Renee loves my ass, I'll let her enjoy my rear view!" and Renee is thinking "Oh my God, Brad is so hot, I can't look at him, I'll get all hot and bothered!"
Bradley Cooper and Renee Zellweger step out of their NYC hotel
:)
Ben Affleck and Jen Garner are married with two kids. No beardig, as far as I know. But i see no chemistry whatsoever. Sometimes he gives her looks like he doesn't even like her. But she keeps popping babies.
^^That said, they remind me a bit of Heath & Michelle. :D
Ben Affleck and Jen Garner are married with two kids. No beardig, as far as I know. But i see no chemistry whatsoever.
Boredom and bad marriage.
Trolly you are right, Jake cares only about sex with men!
Boredom and bad marriage.
I think so too.
Ben Affleck cheats on Garner, he's still with her only because of those kids. Rumors are he and Blake Lively were banging during The Town shoot like there was no tomorrow.
^^LOL. Not surprised.
So let me see if I understand the group think here. If a couple are out and about, and papped while not groping/sucking face/making monkey love with each other on the street, this means they are a) bearding or b) in a bad relationship?
And people wonder why you spend all this time online.
totally fucking
c) bothered by paparazzi.
I said there are many reasons.
I wouldn't totally write off bodylanguage.
It's just one can never determine exactly what is wrong ... or if anything is wrong at all, admittedly.
Sometimes he gives her looks like he doesn't even like her. But she keeps popping babies.
They are parents and they are married, very different situation from couples who date or "date". But good example how photos reveal a lot and how even professional actors can't fake all the time.
Replied to 4:08
PoP is number 1 in DVD sales. I hope it doesn't mean there is a chance for a sequel :(
To take a taxi from uptown Manhattan to Brooklyn would run you in the ballpark of $20 or more.
$10 million from POP minus $20 for a taxi....gee I don't know if Jake can afford it.
totally fucking
I think he's an ass and Garner is an idiot.
And people wonder why you spend all this time online.
4:08PM, aren't you the pot calling the kettle? Maybe you should ask yourself why you are here at this blog and why you are so obviously bothered by it. If it's all nonsense, bullshit, etc., then you would just ignore it. But you don't.
$10 million from POP minus $20 for a taxi....gee I don't know if Jake can afford it.
LOL.
Some seem to forget that Jake is a millionare. (Lucky him...in this regard)
It's just one can never determine exactly what is wrong ... or if anything is wrong at all, admittedly.
Doesn't matter ... and not true.
Awkward body language around your "girlfriend". No eye contact. Boredom. Not caring to open a door for your "girlfriend". ...
We don't know what exactly bothered Jake, but we do know that people who are together do not act that way.
Plus we know how Jake looks and acts around other people because we have another 10.000 photos to compare.
The Babblers are bored with their own site (and lives)......again!
So let me see if I understand the group think here. If a couple are out and about, and papped while not groping/sucking face/making monkey love with each other on the street, this means they are a) bearding or b) in a bad relationship?
Stop playing stupid. Read 4:22 PM.
yeah,yeah.. we are all fucking losers for having a computer and posting in this blog, we already covered that subject long time ago and Jake still pings like a motherfucker.
About taxis and subways in NYC, a friend of mine who visited the city once told me that even people with money take the sub, just because the traffic there can very caothic and makes it impossible to be in a place on time. Walking and subways are faster and more comfortable to travel.
The alternative is to own a private helicopter... maybe Jake had one of those while he was with Reese ;)
I remember reading Jake travelled to Cannes with a private jet for the Zodiac premiere.
If a couple are out and about, and papped while not groping/sucking face/making monkey love with each other on the street, this means they are a) bearding or b) in a bad relationship?
You think that playing stupid helps your arguments? No, it doesn't, but I'll answer anyway - it does not matter what you do, it matters HOW you do it:
Teri Hatcher and Ryan Seacrest kiss on beach
PoP is number 1 in DVD sales. I hope it doesn't mean there is a chance for a sequel :(
There isn't. Worldwide BO: $335,147,676
The thing is Jake and Reese seemed to be together quite a lot, not just for photo ops. Since twitter we had awfully lot sightings of them together. Or facebook sightings. I'm not sure really what the deal was with them.
Odd how there's only a couple/maybe three tweets about Jake in NY spotted and looking hobo-ish, and no pictures. Is it him and people are lazy, or are the tweeters jokesters/liars, or is a Jakealike running amuck in the big city?
I'm not sure really what the deal was with them.
It's called a contract.
The thing is Jake and Reese seemed to be together quite a lot, not just for photo ops.
That is not true. They did a lot of photo ops and there were very few sightings without pictures, some of them fake.
steveheisler: Saw Jake Gyllenhaal at Gorilla Coffee
about 3 hours
Loc: NYC, Brooklyn
"They did a lot of photo ops and there were very few sightings without pictures, some of them fake"
Most of them fake, as i remember
Odd how there's only a couple/maybe three tweets about Jake in NY spotted and looking hobo-ish, and no pictures.
NYC paparazzi are on strike?
yeah,yeah.. we are all fucking losers for having a computer and posting in this blog, we already covered that subject long time ago and Jake still pings like a motherfucker.
LOL. IA, blog or no blog it doesn't change Jake's pinging!
OT - what does everyone think about Ben Affleck's Doug and Jeremy Renner's Jem as a slash couple? A little bit of a homoerotic element? Swoon. :)
That is not true.
It seemed to me they did spend time together besides posing for supposed photo opportunities.
Doesn't matter anymore. It's over. She was poison for his professional and personal life.
OT - what does everyone think about Ben Affleck's Doug and Jeremy Renner's Jem as a slash couple?
Yes, please!
Jake and Reese were barely seen together for such a well known couple. Staged pap photos then back to real life for both of them. The photos of them are just the same ones shot from multiple angles to make it look like there were many more. And they were hardly ever alone. Publicists managers or their assistants were discretely in the background out of the camera frame.
OT - what does everyone think about Ben Affleck's Doug and Jeremy Renner's Jem as a slash couple?
Yes, please!
Their scenes really steal the film, JR especially. Wow!
One thing for sure. Jakes gorilla like appearance is one more clue that there are no dates in his life. Male or female. Only his long time lover would tolerate his appearance. He is not on the market and hasn't been since he first laid eyes on Austin.
4:54 PM - I think you need to check out all the Reeke pics again. I don't agree that it seemed quite like you say. But who cares anymore? Chin is gone.
Of course Austin tolerates Jake's gorilla like appearance, why wouldn't he? They're never in the same state!
paps don't give a shit about Jake anymore since he is no longer with A-list Reese or when Kiki was A-list.
He looks like a middle-aged smelly bum now.
He is not on the market and hasn't been since he first laid eyes on Austin.
You think they are still together? They rarely seem to be in the same city at the same time. Jake spent almost all summer with family and friends on MV w/o Austin.
I say, you are very optimistic.
Kiki was never A-list.
Kiki was the "it" girl when she dated Jake. Many, many more knew who she was than Jake. You can't deny that. I knew her since I was a child/teen, I know Jake as an actor since 2005.
Fuck you, 5:04 PM! :(
I'm not denying anything, just saying that Dunst was never A-list.
I say, you are very optimistic.
I say you are very pessimistic. Jake needs to stop wasting time with Austin and start looking for a husband material.
Jake needs to stop wasting time with Austin
Nah, I don't think he and Austin are an item anymore anyway.
Most of them fake, as i remember
PR Handbook
Chapter Two
Sightings for Tweet/Facebook/Blog Comment sections
Required message: "saw Reese and Jake holding hands at [fill in the blank]."
Add-on Options:
(choose at least one)
1. "They look so much in love!"
2. "Reese is so tiny!"
3. "Reese is a beautiful and talented actress"
4. "Reese is the perfect mother"
5. "I LOVE Reese!!!!!"
6. "They couldn't keep their eyes off each other"
7. "They're totally real"
8. "Last week I saw Ryan drunk, filthy and stumbling"
9. "Abbie Cornish is a crack whore"
10. "Reese and her bf are going to get married and have beautiful kids together"
11. "Reese is so lucky"
LOL
What about the few tweet pics we got? In N.Y. for instance, going for a walk together or her with the Gyllenhall family. The peeps that took the picks worked for Jake's PR? If so, making Reeke believable took a lot of work.
steveheisler: Saw Jake Gyllenhaal at Gorilla Coffee about 3 hours Loc: NYC, Brooklyn
Gorilla Jake
The chin was working on the East Coast. We got 4-5 pictures of Reeke looking bored and Reeke with G family. G family wasn't in the mood for doing proper Reeke op.
Proper Reeke op = using paparazzi.
What about the few tweet pics we got? In N.Y. for instance, going for a walk together or her with the Gyllenhall family. The peeps that took the picks worked for Jake's PR? If so, making Reeke believable took a lot of work.
LOL Reese knew that Twitter (and its side-buddy Twitpics) is a massive, instant PR tool.
lumberjack hobo bearded littering homeless belching farting drunk Jake picking his teeth and riding a dirty NY subway carrying his belongings in a garbage bag
I'd still blow him.
I'd shave him.
Gorilla Jake
LOL, he is so hammered in these.
Gorilla Jake
It's amazing how his expressions change so fast and relate so clearly. All of those different expressive faces were made within less than 3 minutes! I look basically the same in every picture: smiling, not smiling, talking, listening, laughing, that's my whole repertoire and I bet it's like that for all of you too. Jake is different, even when he's not acting. It's like he doesn't have bones and skin: his face is made out of clay and rubber.
That is not true. They did a lot of photo ops and there were very few sightings without pictures, some of them fake.
^^ Yeah, listen to this wft fan. She/he knows all. she/he was there when the contract was signed and they sat up the photo ops. it was all staged because she/he knows.
Yeah right, Give me a break.
Know it all fans. Ridiculous at best.
LOL 6:12 go start a topic on Babble. Or is it so dead you get no response there? Or maybe UV is too busy in the kitchen to care?
You don't draw any conclusions, you are just selling "Jake isn't gay" bullshit.
Well according to Adam Levine, you're selling Jake is gay bullshit. And he knows Jake, you don't.
6:12 PM - Playing stupid AND not reading answers? One more time just for you - Jake and the chin were never alone in bearding, fame whoring and looking pathetic, here is another example:
Teri Hatcher and Ryan Seacrest kiss on beach
Well according to Adam Levine, you're selling Jake is gay bullshit. And he knows Jake, you don't.
Silly babbler, give us a break, you don't believe Adam Levine for a second! lol
I don't know why some have a problem with the possibility that Jake may be bisexual?
Bi people exist too, you know.
You can forget those statements with this fandom. In their minds only women are bisexual beings. Nothing else. Men are gay or straight. The idea of a man being interested in both sexes, esp. if he's a celeb., is not welcomed.
It clouds their minds and disrupts their fantasy of Jake and Austin and BabyTile. So they get mad and throw reasonable thinking to the wind.
Know it all fans. Ridiculous at best.
Still pissed off because Reeke fauxmancing was transparent? Pissed off because you can't bullshit about soon to be Reeke engagements, weddings and pregnancies? Good!
You're all bloody starkers here.
You can forget those statements with this fandom. In their minds only women are bisexual beings.
Bisexuals date men and women. Jake doesn't date women. Jake is gay.
Still pissed off because Reeke fauxmancing was transparent? Pissed off because you can't bullshit about soon to be Reeke engagements, weddings and pregnancies? Good!
No, but I can bet you are pissed off because of after waiting over 5 years There has not been a coming out party or a pink or blue BabyTile celebration for you. So you can put up the hats the whistles and the balloons.
Not even a nice try, 6:37 PM! lol
Jake doesn't date women.
We disagree.
Wrong again 6:37 PM. It's clear since 2007 that Jake won't come out anytime soon, if ever.
We disagree.
Hi beards!
Ahhh, the Jaustin loons pissed that they are in seperate states again, no BT and Levine opened up his big mouth!
Wrong again 6:48 PM. Majority here thinks that Jake and Austin are history and there is no BT. Adam Levine - well, only babblers care about him, hoping that Adam can miraculously turn Jake "straight". Yeah, right.
LOL the Babblers have no Reeke engagement, wedding, babies to fawn over; they've run off almost everyone good at DC; so they come here to do what they do best: preach.
Jaustinites and Babblers are two annoying extremes.
OT but is anyone else as excited as I am to see Kurt hook up with Sam?!
after waiting over 5 years There has not been a coming out party or a pink or blue BabyTile celebration for you. So you can put up the hats the whistles and the balloons.
NO No There is a babytile, Ted said it. I'm waiting. Jake, Austin and the babytiles are true and we will see them soon. Ted said it.
I'm not putting up my balloons, I will celebrate damit.
BT and traces of BT were spotted several times. Baby foot print on Jake's shirt. BT on the cast & crew picture on the PoP set. BT and his nanny joining Paris photo op with Reeke.
BT on the cast & crew picture on the PoP set.
Please, why would Jake take his secret kid and nanny to the movie set and hide them in the trailer just to include them in PoP group photo?
BT and traces of BT were spotted several times. Baby foot print on Jake's shirt. BT on the cast & crew picture on the PoP set. BT and his nanny joining Paris photo op with Reeke.
^^ what a desparate person. come to reality
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