A 33-year-old rancher, Mr. Glover comes from a family that has worked the land around Lusk for generations. His father still runs 300 head of cattle.
Seated at a table in the smoky Outpost Cafe alongside Highway 85, Mr. Glover laid out the story of a typical ranch-country boyhood: herding, branding, culling and haying, horses hobbled on picket lines and calves pulled forcibly from their mother's bodies during spring calving. Every summer Mr. Glover sets out with his brother in a panel truck carrying their two quarter horses, to compete in calf and steer roping competitions. "I never had any intention of leaving the cowboy lifestyle," Mr. Glover said. "Ranching is who I am."
Yet next month Mr. Glover will quit Lusk and that part of himself in order to move to the bright lights of Lander, Wyo. (population 6,864). "I don't really want to do it," Mr. Glover said. Yet he has to, he explained, if he ever wants to live his life openly. Like Jack Twist, the rodeo-loving character portrayed by Jake Gyllenhaal in "Brokeback Mountain", Derrick Glover is gay.
"They always define it as coming out of the closet, but I don't consider myself to be out of the closet," Mr. Glover explained. There is a reason for that, he said. "Where I live, you can't really go out and be yourself. You couldn't go out together, two guys, as a couple and ever be accepted. It wasn't accepted in the past, it's still not, and I don't think it ever will be." That he and some of the others interviewed for this article were willing to be named and photographed was not without social and even physical risk.
***
When Mr. Ledger's character defiantly asserts, "I ain't queer," following a drunken coupling with Mr. Gyllenhaal's character in their sheepherder's tent, it seems clear that as much as he fears the loss of his cowboy machismo, he is equally scared to relinquish his physical safety once the two come down from Brokeback Mountain.
"I grew up with that same kind of fear and conflict," Ben Clark, a fourth- generation rancher from Jackson said on Tuesday. "Growing up, I never even dreamed that a real cowboy would be gay," Mr. Clark added. It is a belief in which he is not alone.
"I awakened to my same-sex attraction when I was 12," said Mr. Clark, who is now 42. "But I had no idea what to do about it, ever. I was raised in a ranching, rodeo world - wrangling, packing horses, riding bucking stock, working in hunting camps - but always with the sense that I had to conceal who I was because cowboys could never be gay."
The experience was "extremely, extremely lonely," Mr. Clark said, leaving him feeling so isolated that he more than once contemplated suicide. "I could not accept being gay because of the stereotypes that were drilled into me," he explained. "Gay men are emotionally weak. They are not real men. They are like women."
Like Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist in the film, Mr. Clark dated women for a time, bowing to the pressure to be "normal" although, unlike them, he never married and led a double life. There's a joke out here about how one goes about finding a gay man on the frontier. The punch line is deadpan: "Look for the wife and kids."
Fortunately, Mr. Clark said, "I never did get married, because I never wanted to hurt a woman like that."
"When I was in my 20's, I worked in a hunting camp for three years as a wrangler," Mr. Clark said. "I heard the jokes, but I kept my feelings inside. One of the hunters asked me, 'Have you been married before?' I told him no. And he gave me a look and said, 'Most of the guys who aren't married by now are getting involved with being hairdressers.'"
***
"I know there are a lot of gay guys in Cheyenne, and it's pretty much accepted, in a way," said Julie Tottingham, the manager of Corral West Ranchwear in Cheyenne, the city's largest purveyor of boot-cut Wranglers, ostrich-skin Tony Lamas and broad-brim buffalo-felt Stetsons. "But at the same time, a lot of our customers would be offended if a gay guy was in here shopping," Ms. Tottingham said. "They'd feel it's an insult to the cowboy way of life."
Among the locals who got an opportunity to see "Brokeback Mountain" at the screening in Jackson was Jade Beus, an openly gay former cowboy raised on a sheep ranch in Soda Springs, Idaho. "I had more or less that same experience," said Mr. Beus, referring to the characters' struggles. "Trying to find self-acceptance literally took me to a place where I thought I was such a bad person I once put a pistol to the roof of my mouth."
Mr. Beus, who now owns a heating and plumbing contracting company, is not certain what it was that prevented him from taking his own life. "But something clicked over," he said. "I believe greatly in a higher power and I realized He dealt me this particular hand," Mr. Beus said. "I'm a man's man. I'm not feminine at all. Other people might slander me for who I am, but I made a decision a long time ago that I'm not going through life hating myself because I love men."
Source: Cowboys, Just Like in the Movie, The New York Times,
December 18, 2005
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1042 Newer› Newest»Jake was looking for more than a beard but you can't understand that!
If you want just a beard , you take a starlet kind jessica simpson or the clooney'ex!!!
At zodiac premiere you see Jake "flirting" with RDJ and Mark Ruffalo ! After the Oscar you see him look at Sean penn intensely.
On pics you see him so "in love" with Heath and Austin AND others he seems doesn't care of them !!!
Like it or not but what you see it's only what you want to see.
12:19 PM
you are the one who doesn't understand. Or play stupid.
Or is stupid enough to believe Reese doesn't need media attention or would never use a fake bf for publicity.
12:24 PM forgot to say - APRIL FOOLS!!!!!
Face it Austy-poo fans, Heath is just more interesting, dead or alive.
I think Jake should keep Austin though. Everyone needs a faithful companion. But I do think Jake needs a muse, and that is where I think Heath could have come in , esp. since they were so close in age. Heath was in the process of truly finding his path, personally and professionally. His performance in TDK would have raised his profile worldwide. Jake would have had a pathfinder of his own generation whom he also admired.
Who knows, maybe Heath could have grabbed him by his neck and set him straight (so to speak).
But I do think Jake needs a muse, and that is where I think Heath could have come in , esp. since they were so close in age. Heath was in the process of truly finding his path, personally and professionally. His performance in TDK would have raised his profile worldwide. Jake would have had a pathfinder of his own generation whom he also admired.
I don't care what anyone says, I think this is nice to consider, and probably would have been true. He doesn't have this now, that's for sure.
"you are the one who doesn't understand. Or play stupid.
Or is stupid enough to believe Reese doesn't need media attention or would never use a fake bf for publicity."
Yeah Reese is ready to do anything for pub , even compromising her sweet image with a guy supposedly gay!!! Right, she's more open than I thought.
^^^ Learn a few things about Hollywood, start using your head, think again and then come back and tell us what you think.
^^She's in the process of changing her image, haven't you noticed? Bohemian, hip, etc.
"But I do think Jake needs a muse, and that is where I think Heath could have come in , esp. since they were so close in age. Heath was in the process of truly finding his path, personally and professionally. His performance in TDK would have raised his profile worldwide. Jake would have had a pathfinder of his own generation whom he also admired."
Jake had no muse when he chose Donnie Darko , The good dirl, BBm, Jahread , Zodiac , in the futur he will choose certainly wrong but right too , he needs nobody.
Yes, he does, very much so.
"^^^ Learn a few things about Hollywood, start using your head, think again and then come back and tell us what you think."
What I learn with you it's maybe average readers are taken for fools by PR but you aren't worth better, you re easily manipulated by people you believe against the HW machine whereas in fact they enterely work for it and it stars! .
I am not sure you realise at the end who is truly the joke of the butt.
Jake had no muse when he chose Donnie Darko , The good dirl, BBm, Jahread , Zodiac , in the futur he will choose certainly wrong but right too , he needs nobody."
He certainly does, he doesn't have anyone like that in his life and it shows. He seems lost personally and professionally.
"Yes, he does, very much so."
He definetely doesn't
Jake lost his movie star confidence.
Check out Golden Globe Awards video.
Everyone needs a muse, inspiration, and I'll bet he had one during all of those films.
12:44 PM and you're delusional if you think he doesn't.
I think Jake has allowed too much influence right now by the mediocrities that surround him.
Sometime you need to shake things up to get back on the right path. I really think a change in environment would do that. Get out of LA and away the people there. Retake the reins of his life.
That's what Heath did at one point. He was certainly firing on all cylinders as far as his professional life was concerned. His personal life was slower to catch up, but by all accounts, he was in a good space before the unfortunate mistake that took his life.
Shhhh! Us Reekely will use that as their next cover story - "She's My Muse!" ;)
What I learn with you it's maybe average readers are taken for fools by PR but you aren't worth better, you re easily manipulated by people you believe against the HW machine whereas in fact they enterely work for it and it stars!
Who are those "people you believe [work] against the HW machine"?
The poster who said Jake has to do it for himself is right. All the advice in the world is not going to do you any good if you don't have the confidence, and brains, to do what is right for you. It's Jake's career, not Heath's, George's, Austin's.
Jake needs Loretta Castorini: [slaps Jake twice] Snap out of it!
^^Oh yeah. ;)
"Who are those "people you believe [work] against the HW machine"?"
Have a guess!
No idea. Don't remember that we ever discussed "people who work against the HW machine".
Exclusive: Kirk is Bisexual, Kisses Spock in Upcoming “Star Trek” Movie
In the new Star Trek “prequel” movie due out in May, James T. Kirk, future commander of the U.S.S. Enterprise, is bisexual and in love with Spock, and hints that Spock may have loved him back. In one scene, Kirk shares a bed with Spock and kisses him on the lips, although the Vulcan does not seem to reciprocate.
In another scene, Kirk appears to post half-naked holo-images of himself on an internet-like dating network, and his “on-line profile” clearly indicates that he is looking for “females,” “males,” and “other.”
“It just made sense,” said director J. J. Abrams in an exclusive interview with AfterElton.com. “In the original series, Kirk’s character slept with green-skinned aliens, and in one case, a creeping mist. Sleeping with men too really doesn’t seem like that big a leap.”
The movie is intended to be a “reboot” of the whole Star Trek franchise.
“Our mandate was to question absolutely everything about the original franchise,” Abrams said. “What was with all the orange paint? Why did Kirk’s hair look so much like a bad toupee? We explain it all, but they’re not the explanations you might think. For example, the reason all the women wear 60s-style mini-skirts in the future is because of an outbreak of a polyester-eating virus that can’t survive at altitudes above the thigh.”
Surprisingly, Kirk’s newfound bisexuality comes with the full support of the previous Kirk, William Shatner.
“Are you kidding?” Shatner told AfterElton.com. “Who do you think has been writing all that slash fiction? Half of it was me, and the other half was Leonard [Nimoy].”
“Star Trek [the new movie] was always intended to be about Kirk and Spock, about their relationship,” said Roberto Orci, co-screenwriter of the new film. “This is just another element in that relationship. It’s more than a bromance, but whether it’s a full-fledged romance depends on how you interpret the scene where they share a bed. When we were writing the script, we referred to it as a blo-mance.”
...
Star Trek blo-mance
Can't wait! :)
“Are you kidding?” Shatner told AfterElton.com. “Who do you think has been writing all that slash fiction? Half of it was me, and the other half was Leonard [Nimoy].”
:)
The character of Dr. McCoy, meanwhile, is openly gay and in love with Kirk. “I bet it’s not just his blood that’s green!” he says in a line from the film that many think will become the character’s new catchphrase.
LOL!
An April Fool's post. :(
Now if you tell anything about Scotty . . . ;)
(((1:42 PM)))
The possibilities are endless. No wonder everybody loves Star Trek! :)
300 posts on why a dead man would be better for Jake than the one by his side?
It's because the Heathens have nowhere else to go.
Oh come on - can't people discuss what they want to without the thought police coming over to monitor and censor? They aren't expressing it quite like that, and you know it.
Counting all of the posts about Heath - my goodness! That would suggest someone doesn't have enough work to do?
Jake is most likely with Reese.
Jaustin (probably) and Jeath (definitely) is either fantasy or what could have been. Let people have their fun speculating!
Exactly!
Jake is where??!
It would never be Jeath. Ledgerhaal all the way.
All of the posts about Heath just prove how much more interesting it is to talk about him than either Reese or Austin.
I've been to that Southern Gothics site. Good God.
Jake is most likely with Reese.
Jaustin (probably) and Jeath (definitely) is either fantasy or what could have been. Let people have their fun speculating!
I love you fangirls that hitch a ride over here from IHJ and pontificate grandly as if they actually know that Jake and Austin were a "fantasy".
I'm glad you're secure in your knowledge because after what I've seen I could not be as sure as you.
But have fun speculating that people are "speculating". The laugh's on you. :)
The posters here may be in disagreement over and speculating about who Jake is really with or who he'd be better off with, but I think most of us here are in agreement that Reeke is not real, and can see that Jake is lying to us.
Fangirls who think Jake is with Reese are either truly blind, delusional, or just going along with the pr party line in order to get their good fan gold stars.
I've been to that Southern Gothics site. Good God.
What? We need details! :)
I've been to that Southern Gothics site. Good God.
Good God, Austin too is wearing a table cloth shirt.
Fangirls who think Jake is with Reese are either truly blind, delusional, or just going along with the pr party line in order to get their good fan gold stars.
^^ hold up! What's up with the fangirl thing anyway?
You fans of Jake and Austin are not FANGIRLS? OR FANBOYS? You have to be some kind of fan especially after waiting on Jake and yes, Austin to come out of the closet for how many years now. Some posters here are not blind to the fact that Jake can be interested in men but not be in a relationship with one now. Or, he could. Maybe Austin or someone else on the side. Just because some don't think Jake and Austin are no more than friends (now) what's the big deal. The J/A fans or Fangirls (this includes the boys also) are the delusional ones because they are really caught up and stuck on stupid and think every waking call of Jake's life is about Public Relations and to promote Reese. Yeah, of course some of it is, some of it is to promote Jake. So what!!! ((All)) celebritys do this. Big Deal... Look at the morning shows, the Late shows. You would think only Jake and Reese does this by the fans here.
WoWWW.LOL
The real issue is the J/A love romance story is welcomed and held together by scotch tape because the fans can't handle Jake being interested in anyone other than Austin. They will not allow it. It's simple. Jake may not be getting his groove on with Reese, but the odds of them doing so are higher because they spend so much time together. And don't tell me about the lover living in the closet because of...
it's old!
And, maybe Jake likes variety. But this can't be either with the non comprimising J/A forever fans.
So who is a fangirl.
Mirrors anyone?
I don't know what's going on. All I know is, that info about Kirk and Spock was the best thing I've heard all day! :)
That didn't take long, babbler must be on vacation this week.
So what!!! ((All)) celebritys do this.
No, all actors and actresses are NOT tacky publicity whores like Reeke.
Hey UV/FL, if we post about Austin on GB and how you're holding together Reeke with industrial tape, are you going to leave it up? Can we post about the mirrors babblers look into to see their straight prince charming, and how your refusal to be fans of a gay boy means forcing your beloved to live a life full of lies and misery?
If I did that, my post would be deleted faster than I could say "bug zapper".
forgot to say, then some want to turn it into a Gay Rights issue. You can't talk about a celebrity and throw up gay rights because you believe the person to be gay and they are in the closet and bearding. If and when he comes out, then it's appropriate. Until then, he lives his life the way he sees fit. And this may include the every so often visit with Austin, Chris or whomever. But he can be with a female also. Even if it's just for coffee or to do the you know what. And if you keep watching it does not matter what side of the fence you are on, Jake and Austin, Jake and Reese, Jake and the blonde boy, You are a Fangirl or boy of Jake's!
Remember: It's his LIFE, not OURS!
Hey somebody start a blog where Heath and Austin fans can snarl at each other until their faces fall off.
We can do it here, you can't discuss Reeke or Jake alone all the time.
4:11, apparently you can't read. No one said or spoke of Jake being straight. And you don't have facts of him being gay. Nobody here does. If so, please post them, and I know you would if you had any. Again, making it a gay rights issue. And you know him just as much as I know him but you act as though all in your mind is truth. There's a name for this type of mental illness.
Really sad.
You can't talk about a celebrity and throw up gay rights because you believe the person to be gay and they are in the closet and bearding.
Of course we can. Jake is gay, bearding and a public figure.
Of course we can. Jake is gay, bearding and a public figure.
Sherlock, Nothing has been proven.
I need pictures. Until then I (think he likes women and men) Pictures please!
4:17 PM / 4:24 PM
Tell us, why would you like people to stop discussing Jake's gayness and bearding?
Why is that important to YOU?
Sherlock, Nothing has been proven. I need pictures.
My dear Watson, check out 10.000 Reeke pictures. Gay man and his beard.
why do people go around saying "why is that important to you?"
why is it important to say this?
I mean, nobody gives a real fuck about any of this stuff.
even though if anything happened to Jake I would kill myself.
people who scream "link!" and "gimme proof!" and "why do you feel so threatened" should go for electroschlock therapy. :D :D
hope everybody who posts here has had their rabies shots.
why do people go around saying "why is that important to you?"
I'm curious why Chuck (4:17 PM / 4:24 PM) pretends to believe in Reeke.
If I had proof that Jake is gay the last thing I would do is post it here.
This is a blog about Toothy, who is gay, and presumed to be Jake. I happen to think pictures with Austin, the way he looked at Heath, the ambiguous statements before pr scared him straight and the whole Reeke charade is more than enough evidence that he is a friend of Dorothy.
If you need more, then fine, go play on the Jake is straight boards where everyone will agree with you.
even though if anything happened to Jake I would kill myself.
Hope you’re seeing a therapist, bud. I think you have some issues.
I'm curious why Chuck (4:17 PM / 4:24 PM) pretends to believe in Reeke.
Me too. Lots of theories: internalized homophobia, justifying own existence in the closet (is Chuck married?), DC and moderators are paid by PR, he wants Jake all to himself and hopes to drive away all the other gay fans........
"This is a blog about Toothy, who is gay, and presumed to be Jake"
Yeah, it's as simple as that. I dont know what some people are squawking about. "Gimme proof!"
Is that really Chuck at 4:17 PM / 4:24 PM ? ? ?
Speakiing of somebody who needs to get laid! ! !
"even though if anything happened to Jake I would kill myself.
Hope you’re seeing a therapist, bud. I think you have some issues."
Im just kidding you idiot. No sense a humor, some blokes.
^^^ don't call me an idiot, retard.
My theory about Chuck is that he's got a giant breast following him around and he keeps batting down his own "sausage" cause he's afraid he'll get smushed like Donnie Darko by a tit the size of a jet engine.
"^^^ don't call me an idiot, retard."
nyah nyah nyah your mother mated with a chimpanzee.
(really! some people!)
Let's cut out the austin/heath convo and analyze Chuck.
nyah nyah nyah your mother mated with a chimpanzee.
I guess it's better than being a chimpanzee like yourself.
Is that really Chuck at 4:17 PM / 4:24 PM ? ? ?
Maybe, he reminds me of the troll that someone recognized as Chuck, DCF moderator.
"Huh?"
"nyah nyah nyah your mother mated with a chimpanzee.
I guess it's better than being a chimpanzee like yourself."
Chimps are the best lovers! (scratches chest hair. . . makes chimp noises)
"Huh?"
4:54 then lucky you and my mother. lol
I originally posted the "Good God" in reaction to the Southern Gothic site. What a waste.
Those people need to stop talking about what they are going to do and just do it.
Pretentious gits.
Publicity, publicity, publicity.
I'd rather see people trying to raise money for a project they believe in talk about themselves and what inspires them than see people trying to get work and promote movies based on who they are allegedly sleeping with. At least with the former they're selling themselves, not who they're fucking.
I like tits and ping. But no Trannies. lol
Can all the Jake and Austin forever fangirls and fanboys agree, that they need help.
Now let's be real guys.
You people are kinda like a dog chasing his tail endlessly in circles. That boy Jake will spin you, won't he?
Are yall dizzy yet?
"4:54 then lucky you and my mother. lol"
pleeeze give me yr mom's e-mail
thanks.
^^Sorry I'm Chuck. Are yall still spinning. Austin's gettin good at it also. Mark my words.
4:47, maybe you don't fancy yr mom, but if Im not near the one I love, I love the one Im near.
chimp happiness!
Sorry, but I've got to ask this...
who the FUCK is Chuck?
And who the FUCK does Chuck think he is?
5:16 is Chick I mean Chuck
Chuck has a big dick and doesnt know what to do with it.
poor sod.
nobody wants to take on the Divine Drug Dealer Adrian from DCF?
Those who made DCF a toxic waste land with their bitchy, back biting, high school clicheing ways are bringing their contaminated stink over here?
Time to put up that electric fence.
5:28
ita
That's right, derided, ridiculed, and generally despised by the Reeke crowd, WFT2 has become the happening place to be!
Of course, it's the only happening internet Jake place, all the others (except OMG, of course) are dead.
Say, if a beard falls in the forest, can a Reeker hear it?
4:47, maybe you don't fancy yr mom, but if Im not near the one I love, I love the one Im near.
Aw, you’re not near the one you love? Ok you convinced me. My mom’s email is iluvchimps@gspot.com
P.S. she's not really my mom but she adores your kind so w/e. Enjoy!
Those who made DCF a toxic waste land with their bitchy, back biting, high school clicheing ways are bringing their contaminated stink over here?
^^ Newsflash. Been here all the time, right from the start. Where you been?
Don't you dare making fun of me and call Jake gay, I'll ban each and everyone of you! Oh, wait ...
Ay, yes, 5:33! That would explain the condescending, patronizing, holier than everyone, corn cobb up the ass tone of some posters.
But, WFT2 is still here, still going strong, still proudly shouting that "Jake is Toothy!"
Must grind those DCFers, and Babbleheads, shorts to tiny bits. Hee!
"Aw, you’re not near the one you love? Ok you convinced me. My mom’s email is iluvchimps@gspot.com
P.S. she's not really my mom but she adores your kind so w/e. Enjoy!"
Not really your Mom? Oooooh! You are a lil sly-boots - send me yr e-mail!
Yeah well IMHO the Austin/Heath sniping is as toxic and stupid as DCF hypocrisy - (homophobic bullshit)
dead man walking versus android?
dead man walking vs android surfer equals distraction from Jake Is Gay.
"Chuck said...
Don't you dare making fun of me and call Jake gay, I'll ban each and everyone of you! Oh, wait ..."
LOL! ! !
5:39 why, what do you have in mind? *bats eyelashes*
Yes, but an android with a pretentious blog!
(I really like Austin. That Southerngothics mess, not so much)
"5:39 why, what do you have in mind? *bats eyelashes*"
5:48, your very POSTING TIME gets me hot. what do I have in mind? chimp happiness! ! ! (sigh!)
Southerngothics mess is God sent, we need to keep an eye on the boy and his table cloth shirts.
nobody wants to take on the Divine Drug Dealer Adrian from DCF?
Drug Dealer?! That cutie? How does he feel about reeking?
6:04 oooh, talk to be baby!
Chimp happiness never tempted me before but you sound kinda sexy and I fucking love bananas too...
^^^ I mean ‘me’. You got me so hot 6:04, I can't even type right.
I guess we gotta get a room, 6:21. Or maybe an island.
An island....mmmm, a lot of monkey love. *sigh*
Keep it clean, I'm pretty sure animal porn if off limits :)
Party pooper!! *pouts*
6:26 PM is misinformed, keep it UP!
Hey, man, I got no problem keeping it UP -
posters 5:48 - 6:34, It's time for your cookies and milk then a nice nap. Wasn't Recess time fun?
No wonder the mindset of most posters on this blog reminds me of the third grade boys. Juveniles who want a hot young gay poster boy to squee over. Limited experieces in life speaks volumes.
Mine is bigger.
Juveniles who want a hot young gay poster boy to squee over.
Chuck is back.
Chuck,
why don't you share some of yours many, many gay experiences in life.
6:45 talks like I imagine Reese talking to Jake and her kids. Isn't FL the one who likes to talk like a school marm?
people who scream "link!" and "gimme proof!" and "why do you feel so threatened" should go for electroschlock therapy.
Yes IA and isn't it strange that these are the same people who come from here where they even say that their shit is unverified but when they come over here, holy fuck. They want proof and pictures.
"No wonder the mindset of most posters on this blog reminds me of the third grade boys."
Who ARE you, anyway? Whut's yr problem? whut's yr gender? did yr nana suck lemons for a living? did yr mama leave you shut in a dark closet when you were a toddler? did third grade boys de-pantz you in the clock room or somthing? get a shrink, pal!
"6:45 talks like I imagine Reese talking to Jake and her kids. Isn't FL the one who likes to talk like a school marm?"
With Reese's pissy-faced look. It fits.
did yr nana suck lemons for a living?
WTF? LOL!
OMG, you guys are hilarious - no wonder noone can stay away. ;)
Adrian from dcf is a drug dealer??
John Mayer insulted Jennifer Aniston on a five-day cruise with his fans aboard the "Mayercraft Carrier 2." He debuted a song about an anonymous needy lover, and admitted to making out with Jen's "nemesis" by which the mag means Perez Hilton. "Fuck yeah, I made out with Perez," Mayer told the crowd, "I just wanted to prove that I'm a sicker fuck than he is. I'll [have sex with him] until he runs away screaming just to prove a point."
I knew he was bad news - how did she ever end up with him. It had to be another manufactured HW showmance.
No 7:08 #2 Adrian from DCF isn't a drug dealer. He's a 2nd year med student in Toronto Canada. He went along with Reeke on DCF for like 2 minutes, got disgusted with the mods and their crap and he left. He and his bf and other ex-DCFers have a forum Hollywood Forums if you want to check it out.
Thanks for the info, 7:19 PM.
"He and his bf and other ex-DCFers have a forum Hollywood Forums if you want to check it out."
Link doesnt work. did they get busted?
7:23, thanks for the thanks and btw, your welcome! Just wanted to set the record right, especially on a good guy like Adrian.
this is for 6:45 -
do you actually believe that anyone could find your words insulting at all? That anything you say is believed or listened to? Foul wind, Sparky, only foul wind from an inconsequential mind.
Rail away, my chickadee, rail and rage. On a blog dedicated to Toothy and BF, who's the fool, the ones that are here because we wish to be, or those that come here only to berate as a way to prop up an impotent and empty belief?
Link works for me. Are you in another country than US or Canada, 7:28? Maybe that's it?
Link works for me too, here, try copy/paste
http://hollywoodforumsonline.com/phpBB3/index.php
Link works now. thanks, guys.
No wonder I love this place - incredibly funny, and eloquently insulting too! It's an art, I tell ya. Well said, Anon. 7:29!
So that's where Adrian went? He's a nice guy. He does think Jake is bi. He also LOVES Jake.
I remember when Jake was alawys photographed with Austin, Adrian used to bash Austin (he thought Austin was effeminate) but also added he was jealous.
Are there a lot of third grade boys who want a hot gay boy to squee over? I think not. Bad analogies speak volumes. You are a trolls pretending to be the voice of reason 6:45 but you're exposing own stupidity.
" who's the fool, the ones that are here because we wish to be, or those that come here only to berate as a way to prop up an impotent and empty belief?"
Yes what IS the point? I would never walk into your home and insult your ways, beliefs, life style.
I would never visit another blog and insult the posters for their ways and beliefs, either.
Who ARE you, and why?
Who ARE you, and why?
Sad, parent basement dwelling, unlaid for months, sexually confused come to mind.
^ ^ ^
Ever tried calf-ropin'?
I think the vigilant, defensive, angry Reese trolls are a riot. I hope they never stop foaming at the mouth here and everywhere people dare spread "hate" at their goddess.
the nutcracker goddess.
It's homophobic to bash someone because you think they're effeminate. I've always thought that was one of the main reasons why people attack Austin. Also homophobic to want to link Jake with a straight--read masculine--man like Heath.
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I agree. Few want to deal with this, though, and many simply dont understand the nuances of homophobia.
I think you are half-right there, 8:42 - but I don't agree with you about Heath, tho. I think people just like the idea Jake and Heath together. Each individual man has his own unique, attractive qualities.
Clever way to try to stop Heath discussion, but no dice. Gay men come in all wonderful types, no judgements being made. Sorry!
^^Bisexual and straight men too. :)
"I think you are half-right there, 8:42 - but I don't agree with you about Heath, tho"
Heath is not gay. Thus its pairing up apples and oranges. Its saying they are the same, which is to deny Jake's oriention and thus can be perceived as 'phobic.
Im not 8:42, by the way.
"Gay men come in all wonderful types, no judgements being made. Sorry!"
Sounds as if you are of the female "we love our gays" party "as long as they behave as we like . . ." - and, in fact,you know nothing about nothing, Alma.
Pleasant to have some intelligence, now and then, though. . .
It could be, but you can't know someone's intent for sure, and I don't see how it denies Jake to just wonder. We don't know anything about Heath's personal life either. You can't write someone off as a 'phobe like that when there's any ambiguity. It's like the thought police again. We can imagine any two men together that we like, it's not homophobic.
9:08, I never said anyone had to behave a certain way to be accepted, just the opposite. :)
9:10 PM Exactly.
And what about the gay and bisexual men who prefer masculine men? I wouldn't call that homophobic, would you? There are all kinds of preferences.
I do agree that concentrating too much on the sex itself and not the human beings involved, can be construed as homophobic, much like the way women can be objectified by men, and that would be offensive to gay and bisexual men I think. But just to enjoy the eroticism of it is not. JMO.
It's not the pairing Jake off with anyone you want that is homophobic, it is attacking other pairings because someone isn't masculine enough for Jake. Not saying that everyone is doing that, but it has always seemed to me that a lot of the hate for Austin is tied up in the fact that he is more recognizably gay and seemingly effeminate. Although to hear them talk Jake sounds more girly, and Austin more masculine.
It's the difference between saying you don't think J&A are hot, and saying Austin is "not good enough" for Jake.
I don't know that people are doing that. I personally don't find Heath all masculine, that was part of his beauty. I know others have said the same thing. I believe all of us are a mixture of the masculine and feminine, and they are equal and complementary parts - there's nothing wrong with the feminine, is there? I don't think so. I love Jake's voice, Austin's, and Heath's.
I think some people, wrongly, are maybe dissing Austin because he's not A-list yet. I don't agree with them, I think the person is more important than the achievements a lot of the time, but I don't think it's based in homophobia all of the time if they don't happen to like Jake and Austin together.
Heath's voice was unbelievably sexy. hot damn!
He was just the total package - I loved his voice. But I also love Jake's and he is the total package as well. And together - they were fireworks.
Voices tend to turn me on anyway. ;)
It's homophobic to bash someone because you think they're effeminate. I've always thought that was one of the main reasons why people attack Austin. Also homophobic to want to link Jake with a straight--read masculine--man like Heath.
^^ AHH, stop your whinning and go watch Americas Top Model, or Rupauls drag Race. I know these are your favorite shows. You and some effeminine gay men seem to get offended with the masculine gay and bi men. Jake knows your kind. **#%# There are prejudices in gay society also, although most want to act as if it's not. While practicing it all the while.
On another note. Jake has done much for the gay community than a lot of HW celebrities have. 1. He played the part of Jack, the part that NO HW Male actor would touch with a 10 ft. pole.
He is gay friendly and recongizes his gay godfathers. He spoke at the Gay awards or whatever they are called, although he was nervous as shit. And he had no problem being seen with Austin, it was Austin who seemed ashamed and embarrassed to be seen with Jake because of the rumors. Jake did not give a rats ass. Even the latest biking pictures show Austin ready to high tailit out of there.
Jake had balls and still do regardless of popular belief on this site.
Jake has done so much for the gay community! He bearded! He is such a gay icon!
Bearded? bearded? what the hell is that? Care to explain 9.57?
When Austin was doing JFC, I think he was the one pushing to stay closeted, not Jake. In fact Jake seemed very anxious to come out. Probably one of the reasons Austin is going along with Jake's bearding so willingly now.
It is ironic that after all the effort to create a straight image for Jake, the most active websites dedicated to him are WFT2 and OMG.
Tell me, what has Jake done in the past two years that is supportive of the gay community? Seems to me all he has done is shit all over his gay fans by bearding and telling them now that BBM has put him on the cusp of the A List they can all go fuck themselves.
I don't think Austin was the one who wanted to be in the closet. After all, his character in The Informers is bisexual, and he did Prayers for Bobby, which also has a gay theme.
Meanwhile Jake can't even say one word, not one, about Heath after he dies, for fear of being associated once again from BBM, something he has been trying to outrun like the plague. And need I add that Jake had to drag around with the beard and her kids not 4 days after Heath died, as if to show the world he's straight, lest people start taking about him and BBM because of Heath's death. Plus it's Jake who for the past two years has not been seen with anyone but the Chin. It's only now that PR thinks they need gay fans for PoP, and realize what a disaster Reeke has been, that we're seeing Jake with men again.
Ted said Jake wouldn't do anything gay like BBM today, and I believe him. Jake's pr couldn't be bothered to even say one sentence on Jake's behalf about Heath.
I think if he had to do it over again Jake would have passed on BBM. :-( For the poster who asked what evidence there is that Jake is gay, the fact he is running so hard from BBM is just more proof. You don't see other actors working so hard to disown movies in which they played gay characters.
If Jake hadn't made his lust for Heath so obvious, people wouldn't be discussing it so much. And since Heath was also a gorgeous , talented man who exuded maculinity, was sex on a stick, and had a with a voice like melted chocolate, the pairing of him with Jake will naturally surpass the pairing of Austin with Jake. the chemistry between Heath and Jake was off the charts. That has nothing to do with some so-called "effeminate" quality of Austin. Some of you are just trying your best to find excuses for why your pet Austin just can't measure up to someone like Heath.
You know Jakey would have dumped your boy Austin if he could have had his fantasy. That's what really bothers you.
Well said 11.53.
3.42 keep flogging the dead horse....and you can talk to yourself too....
It's homophobic to bash someone because you think they're effeminate. I've always thought that was one of the main reasons why people attack Austin.
To me Jake is more effeminate than Austin - and I find it adorable.
I think if he had to do it over again Jake would have passed on BBM.
No way.
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Seems to me all he has done is shit all over his gay fans by bearding and telling them now that BBM has put him on the cusp of the A List they can all go fuck themselves.
^^ what he did for his gay fans is play a part in a movie that will be around forever, and mine you to played a part that no malfor fear of being associated once again from BBM, something he has been trying to outrun like the plague.e actor in HW (A list or D list would do). If he did not do it, you would not be here now bitching!!!
Meanwhile Jake can't even say one word, not one, about Heath after he dies
^^ You really need to get over this. Truly! or seek help.
for fear of being associated once again from BBM, something he has been trying to outrun like the plague.
^^ and you are telling me Heath did not do this???? You are delusional. Heath WAS the main one to distance himself from BBM.
don't start with lame Heath bashing shit, I love Heath and know he would have went much futher if he lived.
You don't see other actors working so hard to disown movies in which they played gay characters.
^^ This is all your opinion just like I have one. If Jake is in the closet and don't want to come out, well, that's his choice. But please expect the same of Kevin, John, Clooney and a whole host of other (A) list stars also. Let's not have prejudices OK!
If Jake is in the closet ...
LOL, we got it.
Heath WAS the main one to distance himself from BBM.
Heath had no reason for distancing - it never happened.
Jake wants straight public image, but I don't believe for a second that he regrets BBMt, wants to distance himself from BBMt or is a self-loathing gay.
"To me Jake is more effeminate than Austin - and I find it adorable."
^ITA. Jake is effeminate and I love it.
Heath did distance himself from BBM , he refused to pose with Jake at the Oscar lunchoen and yiu see no pics of them at all after the Oscars even though they were both at the VF party. They were presenters at the SAGS and the Directors awards a month earlier so he had no choice.
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What party pictures or lack of party pictures have to do with distancing from BBMt?
BTW, we know that Heath didn't enjoy movie promotions.
Ted uses spray tan?!? Ah, those gays, always want to be pretty.
James Franco's War on Sleep
James Franco is a busy fellow. He's sleeping his way through grad classes and filming more stoner movies. Is he perhaps too busy, too overstretched? Some recent news about the honey-dipped actor would suggest so.
First comes word that Franco, though on a career "hot streak", has been forced to turn down several movie roles. Mostly because he's being loyal to his buddies David Gordon Green and Danny McBride and will go make a stoner movie in Northern Ireland with them this summer. This scheduling has forced him to drop out of big prestige (get it?) picture Inception, a Christopher Nolan-directed film to star Leonardo DiCaprio. His grad classes are also interfering with an offer to costar with Julia Roberts in Eat, Pray, Love. (Though, that actually might be a good thing.)
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What about Jake taking the same role Franco was going to take in "Inception?"
2 April 2009
Warner Bros is in talks with Marion Cotillard (Public Enemies), Cillian Murphy (Batman Begins) and Ellen Page (Juno) to join the cast of "Inception," which Christopher Nolan wrote and will direct as his next film. Leonardo DiCaprio has already been set to star. WB bought the spec preemptively before other studios got a crack at the material, which kept Warners in business with the filmmaker after smash hit "The Dark Knight." The subject matter has been kept under tight wraps, with the studio describing the film as a contemporary sci-fi actioner set within the architecture of the mind. Production begins this summer for 2010 release.
Marsalis, Gyllenhaal read poetry at NYC benefit
Wynton Marsalis didn't bring his trumpet to the podium during Wednesday night's poetry benefit at Lincoln Center. But he did hum a few bars as he half-sang, half-recited Sterling A. Brown's "Riverbank Blues."
Marsalis was one of 10 performers at the seventh annual "Poetry & the Creative Mind," presented by the Academy of American Poets as a kickoff to National Poetry Month and as a demonstration of how words in rhythm can bring together some otherwise unlikely company.
Among those on stage, sharing the spotlight with a floral arrangement worthy of a Triple Crown horse race, were a musician (Marsalis), a singer (Joan Baez), a composer (Steve Reich), an actress (Maggie Gyllenhaal), a scientist (Harold Varmus) and even some poets (Rose Styron, Mark Strand and Jorie Graham).
Readers were asked to stick to American poets, dead ones, but the rule was ignored by Varmus, who chose John Donne and other British writers; by Gyllenhaal, who selected the Russian Anna Akhmatova and most defiantly by Baez, who acknowledged that knowing nothing about reading poetry hadn't stopped her from writing it.
The folk singer unveiled two of her own works (one about an old friend, one about an exercise class) and then reined in Marsalis for an awkward but moving duet on the protest classic "Joe Hill," Baez's earnest guitar strums alternately complementing and clashing with Marsalis' swaying, conversational trumpet. Musicians weren't the only ones in a musical mood. Author-book designer Chip Kidd, his slicked back hair and dark-rimmed glasses making him resemble a superhero in disguise, explained that the poems of Emily Dickinson align perfectly with the melody of "The Yellow Rose of Texas." He proved it with a Lone Star rendition of "Because I Could Not Stop for Death."
Wednesday's readers were eager to share personal memories of poetry. Reich, wearing a dark cap and matching, tieless suit, recalled visiting the Marlboro Bookstore in Manhattan and discovering the work of William Carlos Williams. Strand, a former U.S. poet laureate, explained that Archibald MacLeish's "You, Andrew Marvell" was the first poem he wished he had written.
The smiling, long-legged Gyllenhaal confided that she had spent a couple of years in therapy as she introduced W.H. Auden's "In Memory of Sigmund Freud." Author-humorist Roy Blount Jr. spoke of a high school teacher whose oppressive reverence for Robert Frost inspired an especially cruel prank: The students tricked her into believing Frost had died, so upsetting the teacher that she stuck her foot in a waste basket. "That's why people in my high school," he joked, "were grateful to Robert Frost."
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What about Jake taking the same role Franco was going to take in "Inception?"
Who the fuck is Cillian Murphy?
Dear Ted:
Which rom-com sweetheart would you rather be trapped in an elevator with: Julia Roberts or Sandra Bullock?
—Jason
Dear Sweetie:
How about Reese? I'm sure after being locked in for a few hours, she'd start to crack.
Franco, though on a career "hot streak", has been forced to turn down several movie roles.
Franco, think again, Hollywood waits for no one.
New Austin in stripes pictures
Austin on OTH set
Chelsea Clinton is engaged to boyfriend Marc Mezvinsky, according to The National Enquirer. They will marry this summer in a $1 million wedding. [Perez Hilton]
Chelsea Clinton's rep says the engagement reports are false and she is not getting married this summer. Boo! We were totally imagining Bill walking her up the aisle and then getting tipsy and giving a long teary speech. [Us Magazine]
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Jezebel.com, Apr 1 2009
Star magazine: "Last week Reese Witherspoon and Jake Gyllenhaal annoyed their fellow diners in Paris by making out like teenagers at a restaurant and feeding each other pieces of chocolate mousse."
Last week?! Star magazine doesn't give a shit, either.
"To me Jake is more effeminate than Austin - and I find it adorable."
^ITA. Jake is effeminate and I love it."
Boyish yes , effeminate no!
"Heath did distance himself from BBM , he refused to pose with Jake at the Oscar lunchoen and yiu see no pics of them at all after the Oscars even though they were both at the VF party. They were presenters at the SAGS and the Directors awards a month earlier so he had no choice."
Thanks you.
"If Jake hadn't made his lust for Heath so obvious, people wouldn't be discussing it so much."
Jake/heath slash Alert!!!
Slash fiction is a genre of fan fiction that focuses on the depiction of romantic or sexual relationships between characters of the same-sex.
Crush isn't slash! :)
Heath slash, Austin slash. What's the difference?
Could one of you explain how Heath's not posing with Jake means that Heath was trying to distance himself from his own movie? Maybe he was just being his contrary, moody self.
Jake had many many many crush in his life I fear.
Nothing wrong with that, the world is full of cute boys and handsome men.
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