Luke Evans
The Advocate, September 3, 2002
The Advocate: How did you decide you were going to be open about your sexuality?
Luke Evans: Well it was something I'd spoken to a lot of people about, including my boyfriend at the time - we've broken up now - but at the time when I just got Taboo, I knew that even though my part was a straight character, everybody knew me as a gay man and, in my life in London, I never tried to hide it. I knew I was going to have to do interviews with gay magazines, so I thought, ‘Well, I’m going to have to be open’. It’s who I am. And if people don’t like it, then I don’t want their jobs. I've never been a very good liar, which is another thing...
The Advocate: Aren't actors all good liars?
Luke Evans: Well, it's not nice. Look at George Michael, let's say. I mean, he hid it for so many years, and then he gets found out in a really awful way... Y'know, you start a slippery slope downward, and I don't want to start that at 22. If that means I'm going to be a poor man at 60, then at least I've lived a happy, open, gay life and not had to hide from anybody.
The Advocate: Do you think it might be different in the UK than in America?
Luke Evans: Well, it depends on how big you are. It's not a big issue, and it's never going to be a big issue for me; whether I'm successful or if I weren't successful, at least I'll never have that skeleton in the closet they can rattle out. Y'know what I mean?
Eight years later...
Wales On Sunday, September 19 2010
RISING actor Luke Evans is rapidly gaining star status after landing yet another major Hollywood role and romancing Charlotte Church’s ex – ex-PA, that is.
Fresh from playing breastplate-baring Zeus in Immortals and Apollo in Clash Of The Titans, 31-year-old Evans is sword fighting once again in a re-make of The Three Musketeers.
And Evans, from Aberbargoed, is described as “top farmer totty” for his role in Brit-com Tamara Drewe, has a special reason to be careful with his blade now he is dating stunning fashion industry marketing expert Holly Goodchild.
Miss Goodchild, 27, former personal assistant to Welsh singing superstar Church, said at the Tamara Drewe movie premiere: “Luke’s lovely – we’re really old friends and it just sort of happened.”
She added: “We are nowhere near engaged but things are really good.”
Source: That Time Luke Evans Talked About Being Gay
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«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 2286 Newer› Newest»And Austin Nichols is the only gay man in the USA, Jake can't date anyone else. Makes perfect sense.
Jake was there with his "End of Watch" wife.
They both wear wedding bands.
They were in LA to film wedding scenes.
Did OMG explain why was Jake seen wearing wedding band ONLY when his "wife" was with him? Of course not, they don't care about such "details".
I'm pissed because Ted never answered my loaded question to him :/
And don't forget that his EOW wife was wearing a wedding band and OMG totally ignored that in their spin, I thoink SK said you really can't see what type of ring Anna was wearing, LOL!!!!
Nevermind that the EOW crew hung around that gas station for over 3 hours and don't say they were waiting for a flight I would think they would know when flight leave there to LV.
They flew to LV after their little photo op/filming and then leaked the pics after they returned from LV, to create buzz on their low budget film.
It would be filmed from a car becasue it's being filmed cinema verte/documentsry style aka on the cheap.
I'm pissed because Ted never answered my loaded question to him :/
Bad Ted! What was the question?
You know the usual loaded questions the loon asks Ted and his interns like who watches the BT's and does HW know about them, etc.
The loons sent Teddy the crap about the ring but they made sure not to even mention the possibility of EOW filming because they know after all these years Teddy just posts what's fed to him and doesn't even bother to check out the EOW on set report by E/Lyon's on Anna and Jake filming and put 2 and 2 together!
No one needs to check filming report - why on Earth would anyone think / believe that Jake's ring is a real thing? Ted made up Jake's husband, but he's not stupid to suggest that Jake's ring has something to do with his "hubby".
True, no one thinks that except the loons on OMG, that's why they didn't include that info when they sent the letter.
Ted and his interns know that they same few loons send him letters on TT/Jake, do they respond to them for shits and giggles or as some have suggested in the past that they have saved e-mails that imply that they have been feeding Ted shit for years.
I don't see anything wrong with sending tips and questions to Ted - that is part of every gossip column / site.
The loons sign their letters with names like "LittleOne" or "New Born" and then claim that it is Ted making up that name and sending them coded messages about TT having multiple BTz. LOL!!
There is nothing wrong with sending letters or tips, the loons problem is that they are the only ones sending the letters, I remember Wicked asking the OMG posters to stop bragging on OMG about Ted posting their letters because people will think that they are the only ones sending him TT/Jake letters, DUH! Anyway they don't brag anymore just repost them and are amazed on how Ted responds to their spoon fed crap.
Any actual real gossip is rarely sent to gossip bloggers anymore and i suspect what they do get is fangirl fiction, just take a look at Ted and that whole Twilight crap.
They didn't film wedding scene in L.A. it was done in Vegas.
Any actual real gossip is rarely sent to gossip bloggers anymore and i suspect what they do get is fangirl fiction, just take a look at Ted and that whole Twilight crap.
That doesn't make sense. Some people are sending photos and gossip, others are sending made up bullshit. Business as usual. Ted decides what is bullshit and what could be true - and writes what HE wants.
LOL! Ted has a fangirl
Ted and his interns posts anything that will get hits no matter if he believes it to be legit or not. He used made-up BS posted by deranged Twilight fangirls posted on the E message board to make up some fake Kristen/Rob sighting for example. He was busted and called out on it but he never admitted it or corrected it.
We all know that they filmed in LV not L.A., that's why that whole set of pics screams a set up. I don't think paps would show up there if tipped because who cares about them but I bet EOW crew shot that series of pics over a period of a few hours and "leaked" them for PR after they returned.
Jake and Anna were in on it.
I don't see anything wrong with sending tips and questions to Ted - that is part of every gossip column / site.
The problem is loonies believe Teds made up answers to made up tips and treat it like gospel. It's a circle , they can't exist without one feeding the other .
I'm looking forward to the day when Ted finally "and it aint " Jake . I thought it was funny when he did it with Jensen and Jared
LOL! Ted has a fangirl
WTF are you talking about? Can't you read?
Some people are sending photos and gossip, others are sending made up bullshit. Business as usual. Ted decides what is bullshit and what could be true - and writes what HE wants.
The problem is loonies believe Teds made up answers to made up tips and treat it like gospel. It's a circle , they can't exist without one feeding the other .
Not true.
Ted didn't turn OMG posters into silly people who post fiction and pretend to believe it.
Ted doesn't need OMG posters and their e-mails to write gossip column.
12:19 PM - stupid trolly, when will you learn? LMAO
Poor trolly, he is obsessed with Jake being straight
12:20: Ted isn't really in control of his column anymore, like most other bloggers he uses interns who gleam info from other sites like DL and uses "tips" that they don't bother to check.
12:25: Poor loon pissed that the ring theory has blown up in her dace.
Poor trolly, he is obsessed with Jake being straight
Where? Which post?
Ted isn't really in control of his column anymore, like most other bloggers he uses interns... .
Ted is in control and he writes his column - E! doesn't pay people for doing nothing.
Ted isn't the only E columnist that uses interns, it's quite common so yeah E pays Ted, Marc Mailkin, etc for doing "nothing".And it's quite easy to mimic Ted's "style".
SK and Co are pretty sure he and his interns lurk on OMG and I remember 2 of Ted's interns Christine and Caroline aka as Frick and Frack getting busted on ONTD back in '06, they had to delete their accounts!
12:47PM you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with SK and OMG
12:47 PM - that is total bullshit. Why do you insist on insulting everyone's intelligence? Ted is paid by E! for writing his column. Interns are there to help and assist - ALL E! column writers use interns.
12:47PM you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with SK and OMG
LOL! Maybe you didn't notice that SK and OMG are big part of J&A fandom. WFT2 is part of the fandom, too.
What is strange or unhealthy about discussing blogs and people who are part of the fandom?
LOL, the word intelligence and Ted/E in the same paragraph!
Are you suggesting that Ted isn't intelligent?
If he was intelligent, then he wouldn't "working" at E.
"Working"? Come on 4:23 PM, you can't be that stupid.
Nobody has to work at E except the interns.
I'm looking forward to the day when Ted finally "and it aint " Jake . I thought it was funny when he did it with Jensen and Jared
So who is Toothy Tile, Answerpants?
What is strange or unhealthy about discussing blogs and people who are part of the fandom?
It's unhealthy and slanted when OhMyGodot and its host are the one dragged by a horse up and down the street.
OhMyGodot and its host are the one dragged by a horse up and down the street.
And PG hanging from the yardarm! ;)
8:45 PM - it's healthy when Special K and OMG post bullshit, fiction and lies and pretend they are true?
Don't Ask Don't Tell is officially over.
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J. Edgar Movie Trailer
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I'm gunna make babies with Jake Gyllenhaal if it's the last thing I do on this damn planet.
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Who's going to tell Patric about BTs?
So who is Toothy Tile, Answerpants?
Made up fiction to generate blog traffic
So who is Toothy Tile, Answerpants?
Jake Gyllenhaal.
Made up fiction to generate blog traffic
LOL! Jake is very real and very gay :)
Wow, very intense. They got Leo's 'look' right - the hair and facial expression. Enough so you can get into the story. I see a deep romance (the way Leo delivers his lines to a certain gentleman, *swoon*) that sadly must be kept hidden - and it looks like the Kennedy assasination too. Love the cinematograpy - lots of gray area, as in not black and white. Wow. I bet it's Oscar material, I got chills. Can't wait.
^^Re J. Edgar trailer
Fantastic about the official end to DADT also. I was reading where to soldiers celebrated additionally by getting married in Vermont. :)
the way Leo delivers his lines to a certain gentleman
I have no idea what you're taking about, they were great colleagues and pals!
^^two soldiers, sorry Very dashing looking too, in military dress. :)
It's a huge deal, because it truly shows equality of all our citizens who want to serve, and how our country sees (respects) her people. Three Cheers!
Wow, very intense.
Really? Hmm, don't like the trailer.
I just read Ted's comment about J. Edgar - he's seems concerned too. It looks beautiful to me, the relationship part. Clint's "this isn't a movie about two gay guys" sounds like his character in Gran Torino. (I mean that in a nice way.) :)
We'll find out soon enough :)
Just How Gay Is the New J. Edgar Trailer?
"It's not a movie about two gay guys. I don't give a crap if he was gay or not," barked J. Edgar's outspoken director, Clint Eastwood, recently to GQ. But from the looks of the just-released trailer, we beg to disagree with you, Clint.
And while you might not give a crap about J. Edgar's sexuality, we think his long-term relaysh with Clyde Tolson (played by Armie Hammer) has everything to do with Hoover's demeanor.
So how's the gay factor into the flick?
Not so gay actually...just yet.
While the trailer focuses on themes such as trust, corruption and moral values, we can't deny that a man respected and feared for discovering everyone else's peccadilloes had some serious issues, and secrets, of his own.
The trailer alludes to those secrets—we see Hoover grips Tolson's hand in the back of a taxi—but the overall focus is shifted toward Hoover's FBI work and away any forbidden love.
But if the flick doesn't address all of Hoover's turmoil, how will the audience understand such a complex character?
Leave that to DiCaprio. The word Oscar is already floating around this movie. Tho, tread carefully, Leo, because we think if you don't embrace Hoover's rumored romance, then a concrete explanation for his inner turmoil is stripped from the story.
Bottom line? You can't talk Hoover without talking gay, and since Leo and Eastwood seem to want all of us to focus on everything but Hoover's sexuality, we have to wonder how successful the movie is truly going to be.
No doubt, both DiCaprio and Eastwood are down playing the gay factor. Not only is the film's writer, Milk's Dustin Lance Black, openly out and proud, but we know there's a major smooch scene between Leo and Armie.
We're thrilled about this film, if they can pull it off.
http://uk.eonline.com/news/the_awful_truth/just_how_gay_new_j_edgar_trailer/264968
"It's not a movie about two gay guys. I don't give a crap if he was gay or not," barked J. Edgar's outspoken director, Clint Eastwood, recently to GQ.
Fuck off, Clint!
You can't talk Hoover without talking gay... Leo and Eastwood seem to want all of us to focus on everything but Hoover's sexuality
True.
It's a little absurd to think that they'd turn an historical drama into a f*ckfest, isn't it? I'm sure once the final film comes out, it'll be fine. I hope subtlety isn't lost on everyone.
It's a little absurd to think that they'd turn an historical drama into a f*ckfest, isn't it?
You are missing the point.
NO ONE suggested that movie about J. Edgar should be a movie about his love life. The point is that Clint and Leo pretend that J. Edgar's sexuality isn't important for biopic movie and that is simply stupid.
I hope subtlety isn't lost on everyone.
DiCaprio didn't play gay man in the movie so I expect that subtlety will be lost on many:
"What we're saying is that he definitely had a relationship with Tolson that lasted for nearly fifty years. Neither of them married. They lived close to one another. They worked together every day. They vacationed together. And there was rumored to be more. There are definite insinuations of—well, I'm not going to get into where it goes, but…If I were a betting man, I actually don't know what I would bet [regarding his sexuality]."
I don't think Clint and Leo are saying that, at all. It is definitely in there. But, there are things more important than JEH's love/sex life in a biopic about his life.
If there's a passionate kiss in it between the two men, I think it would be difficult to say that Clint and Leo are trying to de-gay the film! So what else do you need to make it a gay film? That was my point.
NO ONE suggested that movie about J. Edgar should be a movie about his love life.
No one? I suggest you go back and re-read Ted's post - he's complaining about a lack of "homolicious man-on-man action." Rather absurd to think about in a historical drama.
It's all about the times back then, everything was hushed, there was barely the Civil Rights movement.
All I know is, that scene in the trailer where J. Edgar tells Clyde I need you ... you understand? and takes his hand - has me swooning already. Very intense! Maybe it's just me. :)
8:49 AM - it is just you, that could be easily interpreted as close friendship, not relationship.
True, but consider the times. It could be the start of their relationship - we'll have to see. :)
I suggest you go back and re-read Ted's post - he's complaining about a lack of "homolicious man-on-man action."
Please take your own advice and stop making up bullshit.
Ted: ...we think if you don't embrace Hoover's rumored romance, then a concrete explanation for his inner turmoil is stripped from the story
It sounds like the rumored romance is going to be 'embraced' quite well. The film isn't even out yet.
Leo plays J. Edgar and he didn't play J. Edgar as gay man in long term relationship with another man. At laeast that's what Leo said.
How about the scene where J. Edgar takes Clyde's hand in the back of the taxi? Swooooooon. It looks like the long-term relationship is there - everywhere you look, Clyde is there, in the foreground, and the background. Awesome.
9:16 AM - they worked together.
Movie is one thing, what Leo and Clint are saying is another thing. I'm pissed off with Leo and Clint and their "don't know and don't care if J. Edgar was gay".
I don't hold hands in the back of a taxi with my boss, even in the 21st century. I like Armie Hammer in this too - he balances the intensity of J. Edgar. It's very, very romantic - I'm surprised. Heartbreaking too. Not to mention all the history. I can't wait to see it.
The other thing I'm seeing is that J. Edgar's mother seems to know and approve. :)
I'm feeling sympathy for a figure that I always considered a dubious one in history.
I don't hold hands in the back of a taxi with my boss, even in the 21st century.
You are close friends with your boss? That hand gesture looks like encouragement to me, not expressing romatic feelings.
I'm feeling sympathy for a figure that I always considered a dubious one in history.
How do you feel about gays blackmailed by J. Edgar for being gay?
^^It's very complicated. I love Judi Dench's character too, tho.
It's very complicated.
It is. Another reason why J. Edgar being gay is important, to show that despicable part of his personality.
It shows that he was a complicated person.
Another reason why J. Edgar being gay is important, to show that despicable part of his personality.
Gay=despicable?
:/
Sorry, ignore my comment at 10.32. Just read bit about blackmailing other gays.
Despicable!
It is important to show Hoover's homosexuality in order to show that Hoover was a fucked up closet case who used his power to terrify and hurt people.
Hoover was like Roy Cohen. Can you image an Angels in America that didn't deal with his sexuality?
Just the thought of Hoover in a sexual way is enough to make my skin crawl; it sure doesn't make me swoon. I can't separate him for Leo.
My guess is that they're afraid the movie will have a limited audience if it is seen as a "gay" movie, and they're concerned about how much backend they'll make.
^^Possibly they are going for the broadest appeal.
But I don't see the character as strictly "Hoover" or "Leo", or just in a strictly sexual way. I see a story about a human being in what could have been a loving relationship where it couldn't be expressed fully or openly, or wasn't accepted, and what that might do to one's psyche. I see the loving, romantic, human feelings, not strictly the sexual.
Gay=despicable?
Gay, closeted man who is using other people's gayness to blackmail them = despicable behaviour.
Sorry, ignore my comment at 10:46 AM. Just have read 10:35 AM comment. :)
If we think coming out is difficult in today's world, just imagine what it might have been like in a McCarthy era 50s and 60s. If J. Edgar was gay, that doesn't convey anything special about his personality - he's good or bad or a combination of the two, just like any other human being. He knew what he had to do to survive in government back then, and had done or was alleged to have done some questionable thing. Has humanity changed much since? Not very.
How do you feel about gays blackmailed by J. Edgar for being gay?
I'm sure there were a lot of unfounded accusations also, done by a lot of people, just to maintain control and/or remove others from power, and gain power for themselves.
My guess is that they're afraid the movie will have a limited audience if it is seen as a "gay" movie, and they're concerned about how much backend they'll make.
That makes sense.
If J. Edgar was gay, that doesn't convey anything special about his personality...
Yes, it does, a lot.
How so?
I'd like to read what Dustin Lance Black has to say about the script he wrote, and this man in history
J. Edgar straight man would be a different person than J. Edgar closeted gay man.
How so?
J. Edgar straight man would be a different person than J. Edgar closeted gay man.
I think back then the straight men were doing the same things, power-wise.
I'm talking about things that shape our personality. Feelings of being an outcast, always hiding a piece of your true yourself... things like that make a difference.
We're talking about two different things - I agree with you about that, and I think that's a big part of the story. But the things he is alleged to have done, in the context of the time period, doesn't make him a bad person at least entirely, is what I meant.
Don't know history that well - has J. Edgar done something good for his country and people?
Appointed director of the Bureau of Investigation—predecessor to the FBI—in 1924, he was instrumental in founding the FBI in 1935, where he remained director until his death in 1972. Hoover is credited with building the FBI into a large and efficient crime-fighting agency, and with instituting a number of modern innovations to police technology, such as a centralized fingerprint file and forensic laboratories.
Late in life, and after his death, Hoover became an increasingly controversial figure. His critics have accused him of exceeding the jurisdiction of the FBI. He used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders, and to collect evidence using illegal methods. It is because of Hoover's long and controversial tenure that FBI directors are now limited to 10-year terms.
Source: Wikipedia
Hoover is credited with building the FBI into a large and efficient crime-fighting agency, and with instituting a number of modern innovations to police technology, such as a centralized fingerprint file and forensic laboratories.
Would that happen without Hoover? Very likely.
Maybe not very likely, and at any rate, he was the one who did it. Someone asked what it was he did for his country, and a response was posted. With that line of thinking, any historical figure could have had someone else do what they did.
Found this from DLB, from Towleroad:
“I wrote this with Ron Howard and Brian Grazer’s Imagine company, and there was never any limitation in terms of where I could or should go except they were very interested in finally figuring out the truth about Hoover. We all wanted to find out what really happened. What was his sexuality. What did it look like. I wanted to get to the truth of his political work and the things that deserve applause and things that were heinous. The gay stuff was only ever going to be a third of it. It’s not Milk, but it’s there. When I finished a draft I liked, and think I got to what the truth is, it’s a story that reflects what gay life was like pre-Stonewall, which was very different from what it looked like for Harvey Milk. That’s the script Clint and the studio read and I’ll tell you what—not only did Clint and the studio never cut or change a word, they never had a note about it. Clint said some things that were so incredibly moving that he understood the struggle young gays go through today. If anything, Clint made it even more human and universal.”
That's what I like about this trailer, the universal, human quality it has. Someone who wrote the screenplay for Milk and a play about Prop 8 is not very likely to have his voice quieted.
I think Clint is just very gruff in the way he expressed himself, but I understand what he meant.
Maybe not very likely, and at any rate, he was the one who did it. Someone asked what it was he did for his country, and a response was posted.
My point was that any FBI director would very likely do the same or even more because he would spend more time on fighting crime.
That's what I like about this trailer, the universal, human quality it has.
What human quality?!?
Always look for ways to fuck other people's lives?
I think Clint is just very gruff in the way he expressed himself, but I understand what he meant.
If Hoover was straight, his wife and kids would be part of the movie and Clint would know that Hoover was straight.
But Hoover was gay so his sexuality "is not important" and Clint, the movie director, doesn't know Hoover was gay or not.
Someone who wrote the screenplay for Milk and a play about Prop 8 is not very likely to have his voice quieted.
DLB wrote the script, but he does not produce nor direct the movie (as far as I know) - so he doesn't decide how his script will be interpreted and presented.
What? A wife and kids doesn't necessarily go with being straight. There are many public figures who in order to get where they are, sacrified having a wife and kids, or whose families don't play a major role and come in second to career (see Matt Damon's CIA officer in The Good Shepherd). There's no way to tell if any FBI director would have likely done anything. That's like saying anyone could have done what FDR or MLK or JFK did. There's nothing but very strong rumor about J. Edgar and Clyde Tolson, so it looks like the film is playing it close to history, not inventing anything.
By DLB's own words, nothing was changed. Are you saying he's lying?
There's no way to tell if any FBI director would have likely done anything.
J. Edgar was director, other people did the real work. And they didn't do anything special, just centralised and used what was already there (police).
By DLB's own words, nothing was changed. Are you saying he's lying?
Are you saying that you don't understand the difference between the script, movie producing and directing?
That's like saying anyone could have done what FDR or MLK or JFK did.
Ouch, ouch, ouch! Please tell me you aren't comparing FBI director, a manager who misused his position, with people who made the real difference.
I don't agree that Hoover was acting just like everyone else in his time. And besides, how can that possibly be the standard for who is good and who is bad? You can either choose to stand up and do the right thing, or you can choose to do the wrong thing, and Hoover chose to do the wrong thing. You can't whitewash history. Just because Mussolini made the trains run on time doesn't make him a good person.
Hoover was a despicable man.
1:23, noone is perfect. Noone is whitewashing history. If you choose to see my posts that way, that's your opinion and not what I meant. I never said he was a good person, only that he was a flawed person, as many are. It's naive to expect everyone to stand up and do the right thing back in that era. If a few individuals had that kind of integrity, great. But many didn't.
I think, Destiny, that you should go back and re-read some of the posts. They are not that simplistic as to good and bad. I hardly think that a trailer is an attempt to whitewash history. Maybe histrionics on your part.
1:20, are you saying Dustin Lance Black is lying? Why don't you want to answer that?
who misused his position
No, what I am saying is that there are many powerful people who may have misused their positions (to varying degrees) or who have been rumored to, and that doesn't negate the positive things they may have done. That's why I used those examples, and not Mussolini or anyone else from his era. Too overwhelmingly evil.
You can't use today's standards to judge the past. The closet was the rule back then, not so today, thankfully.
It's naive to expect everyone to stand up and do the right thing back in that era.
Give us a break!
It's not that Hoover failed to do the right thing, it's that Hoover choosed to distroy lives and choosed to do bad things for years and years.
You can't use today's standards to judge the past.
Bullshit. Humanity and justice is always the same, time has nothing to do with being a good person.
No, what I am saying is that there are many powerful people who may have misused their positions (to varying degrees) or who have been rumored to, and that doesn't negate the positive things they may have done.
Comparing human trash like J. Edgar, to someone like MLK is an insult.
Nobody was comparing them - it was a response to could anyone fill anybody's historical shoes, and I provided examples where you could not - MLK, JFK, and FDR. I don't think anyone could have done the initial good for the FBI either. Thanks for trying to twist someone's words into something ugly. But you didn't succeed. Give it up before your boss catches you goofing off online.
MLK was a serial cheater in his marriage. Not exactly a pillar of goodness and light.
Justice hasn't always been the same - it changes and hopefully improves with the times. (We may be in for a setback in 2012, however, if the Tea Party has their way.) Justice has everything to do with being a good person. Humanity is what it is.
Justice hasn't always been the same
Yes, it has.
Wise and just knew that all people are born equal in times when slavery was legal.
Laws change and hopefully improve with the times, but justice is always justice.
I'm fascinated with the idea of sense of justice being hardcoded in our genes :)
Outside the Box: Genes for Justice
...
Psychologists have known for a while that exercising self-control against a temptation (say, while dieting) makes us cranky, but new evidence suggests that self-control itself may be inherently aggravating. In spite of this, humanity is not defined solely by greed and selfishness. In fact, it has also been shown recently that we reflexively punish the greedy and that the foundations of our societies may rest on an evolutionary sense of equity and fairness. Even our primate relatives, capuchin monkeys, have been seen to exhibit similar societally regulating behaviors. This behavior appears evolved and therefore hardwired.
http://www.catalystmagazine.net/component/k2/item/1744-outside-the-box-genes-for-justice
Nobody was comparing them - it was a response to could anyone fill anybody's historical shoes, and I provided examples where you could not - MLK, JFK, and FDR.
Not true: There's no way to tell if any FBI director would have likely done anything. That's like saying anyone could have done what FDR or MLK or JFK did.
J. Edgar Hoover was a criminal and a hypocrite who used blackmail to keep his job as FBI director.
I can't believe that anyone would use MLK, JFK, and FDR as examples for anything next to that bitch, or claim that J. Edgar Hoover being FBI director was a good thing.
My statements were not directed at the trailer. They were a counter-argument to the person who seems to be saying that Hoover's creation of the FBI and other things he did in his early years made him admirable and/or that anyone else in his shoes would have done the exact same thing, and that we should somehow overlook anything else he did.
ITA 4:15.
Comparing Hoover to MLK? You do realize that one of Hoover's targets was MLK and the civil rights movement?
Gossip no one in Hollywood will say out loud!
Clint Eastwood was the kept boy of a gay director in his younger years. Can't talk that way about St. Clint!
Yes, Destiny, we realize that. I'll say it again, I'm sorry that you misunderstood my posts, or that you seem to want to deliberately misconstrue them to make your own points. It was simply a matter of whether or not anyone could fill certain people's shoes, not that what J. Edgar Hoover did was admirable, hardly, nor comparing them. Again, so we're clear - certain people in history are unique, and their accomplishments cannot be duplicated, such as MLK, JFK, and FDR (and others). This was in response to the person who said just about anybody could have run the FBI. I did point out that there are other figures like him. Please don't take a post out of context just to make your own point, which seems to be that you don't like this film.
I did point out that there are other figures like him.
Like J. Edgar Hoover? Who, for example?
Destiny said that her sole reason for posting is to stir the pot, so I should have learned never to encourage her arguments. This is why you can't have an intelligent discussion over at OMG anymore, because she and others have dominated the discussions to their point of view only, and that is why while there may be lurkers, only a handful of people post there anymore, I am convinced. I come here because differing opinions are more tolerated. We get the occasional trolls here, but usually a civil discussion is tolerated.
6:12, we're not here to give you a history lesson. Look it up.
6:12, we're not here to give you a history lesson. Look it up.
LOL! I know that you have no example.
Destiny said that her sole reason for posting is to stir the pot
Bullshit.
I trashed Destiny more than once for her J&A "arguments", but she is right about Hoover. Please learn that you don't need to like people or agree with them all the time in order to achnowledge that they are right about something.
...and that we should somehow overlook anything else he did.
Who said that, implied or otherwise? Why do you have to pick fights, Destiny? Why can't people just discuss a point of view? Pointing out that human beings are flawed isn't saying we should overlook them or not hold them accountable.
Or that their opinion makes sense.
Who said that, implied or otherwise?
Please read all comments.
6:19, I think you should take your own advice about people's comments when they disagree with you or others. I don't think she is right about it. She's holds a very narrow view, including about J&A, but that's her right.
I don't think she is right about it.
She is, that much is easy to see. I'm not going to defend a criminal just because he was gay or Clint and Leo managed to make him look very human. And using blackmail to keep the job is not sign of good career.
We'll have to disagree then. I don't defend him, I'm just pointing out that it's a complicated story and period in time. How it's been turned into defending him I have no idea. It was just a discussion, and should degrade into finger-pointing and accusations, as it always does with certain posters, of whom Destiny is one. I suppose you and she were both personally acquainted with the situation, so you know exactly what the story is? You don't seem to be able to differentiate between rumor and fact - that much is obvious just by the J&A discussions. Hiding children, ridiculous.
^^shouldn't
I don't defend him, I'm just pointing out that it's a complicated story and period in time.
What is complicated about J. Edgar Hoover being a criminal? Nothing.
I suppose you and she were both personally acquainted with the situation, so you know exactly what the story is?
WTF?!? Check out history FACTS about J. Edgar Hoover, we aren't discussing gossip.
Hiding children, ridiculous.
That's your opinion. You'll see the truth in due time.
There is no right or wrong, just rumor. Everyone is entitled to an opinion - and your baiting is trolling.
I thought the relationship part of the story was very surprisingly romantic and that part is human. I am intrigued with the trailer, and I want to see the film. Noone should have a problem with that?
There is no right or wrong, just rumor.
I'm confused - which rumor?
P.S. Jake and hubby and BT are NOT a rumor, they are Ted Casablanca gossip. Big difference.
OK :) It's true that noone else discusses it.
I don't defend him, I'm just pointing out that it's a complicated story and period in time. How it's been turned into defending him I have no idea. It was just a discussion, and should degrade into finger-pointing and accusations, as it always does with certain posters, of whom Destiny is one.
What would you call swooning over Hoover hand-holding with a man and excusing his behavior by saying he was a victim of the times and that anyone else in his shoes would have done the same? Sounds like defending Hoover to me.
I suppose you and she were both personally acquainted with the situation, so you know exactly what the story is?
By the same reasoning, if you weren't there to personally observe Hitler then I guess no one can judge Hitler or any other monster in history either.
Talk about nuts.
An OMG PG comment said:
Boy, you can see now why you haven't gotten a picture of Jake with one of his kids.
I don't want to start a discussion of what's "right" or "wrong". I'm just making an observation that lately you are seeing all kinds of Joe Blo's taking crazy, blurry, suspect pictures with their cameraphones. People are armed.
And I would say that I bet the paps HAVE probably gotten one or two pictures of one of Jake's children but they've been bought by Jake. I'll never forget those pictures we got of him and Reese confiscating that pap's camera and they were going through the frames. I just wonder what that pap got.
^^ Can you believe this?
What complete lunacy.
Nothing can surprise us! :)
Hey 12:09, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. The relationship aspect is intriguing, and I think a deep love is something to swoon over, perhaps even redeeming for some - Hoover was a complicated man, did some important things in gov't but as time went on became corrupted by power. Has nothing to do with Hitler, who of of course did monstrous things. I never said they were alike; not even in the same ballpark as to murderous, horrible deeds to masses of people. All I said was that generally, people are flawed. I never said I excused Hoover's tactics.
You shouldn't add things to people's comments that were never said. If you have an opinion that differs with mine, fine, but don't try to discredit someone's post because you don't like it. Or at least try a little harder to make a convincing argument.
I thought trolly was on vacation
Keep in mind this entire, laborious chain of posts was only due to the fact that for some the film isn't gay enough - or what's there is too subtle for everyone's tastes.
As far as pics being 'bought' Jake doesn't have an endless supply of money to keep buying off paps, he'd be broke by now. But who knows? lol
Keep in mind this entire, laborious chain of posts was only due to the fact that for some the film isn't gay enough - or what's there is too subtle for everyone's tastes.
That is not true, you should try reading comments.
The discussion started with article about Clint and Leo not caring and not knowing if J. Edgar was gay.
Yes, that too - I think that whole thing was misinterpreted. How all that conversation led to where it ended up is beyond me.
Nobody does know for sure if he was gay, although there is strong evidence of it. I don't know and don't care either. I just think it's going to be a good film. I agree with them that that's not the point of the film, it's just one aspect of his personality. And like all people, there's the good, the bad and the ugly.
Nobody does know for sure if he was gay, although there is strong evidence of it.
Nobody knows if Anderson Cooper is gay because he didn't come out?
If you have an opinion that differs with mine, fine, but don't try to discredit someone's post because you don't like it.
I don't like your opinion because you are ignoring facts.
Anderson Cooper is alive and living in the present day - and until he says so himself, I'll give him the respect of not labeling his sexuality.
I agree with them that that's not the point of the film, it's just one aspect of his personality.
No one suggested nor said that being gay should be the point of the film or that being gay makes someone's personality - Clint and Leo did not talk about that.
Anderson Cooper is alive and living in the present day - and until he says so himself, I'll give him the respect of not labeling his sexuality.
Cut the bullshit.
Nobody knows if Anderson Cooper is gay because he didn't come out?
I'll give him the respect of not labeling his sexuality
Sure, saying that someone is gay is an insult, we should respect people and shouldn't call them gay.
ITA 10:18. I don't know why it is considered disrespectful to label someone as gay. People get labeled as straight all the time and I never, ever see someone say you shouldn't label their sexuality.
Besides, it's not a matter of labels, it's a matter of being in or out. Being in the closet doesn't change Cooper or anyone else's sexuality.
OK, here we go again - I didn't say labeling someone was gay was disrespectful - taking the opportunity away from them to speak for themselves about their own life, either by assuming or outing, is disrespectful to an individual. I don't think anyone labels straight people all the time either.
These type of fallback techniques to discredit posts are getting old.
OT, I think Leo looks interesting with brown eyes in Hoover, and the musical score is wonderful, very conflicted or something.
P.S. Jake and hubby and BT are NOT a rumor, they are Ted Casablanca gossip. Big difference.
Yes , rumours usually have at least a tiny bit of truth in them. Teds fiction is just that -fiction
until he says so himself
That's why I put this clause in. See? It's easy once you learn to read.
And I would say that I bet the paps HAVE probably gotten one or two pictures of one of Jake's children but they've been bought by Jake.
LOL Is this person Sane?
They really think Jake and Austin have children then they hide them for years?
Sounds like a J/A fangirl to me.
^ It's by PG, what do you expect
Yes , rumours usually have at least a tiny bit of truth in them. Teds fiction is just that -fiction
Let's be fair - rumors can be 100% false :) We know BT gossip origin and there is no "spread by word of mouth".
rumor
1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
Ted's "sources" are letters sent in by jaustaloons
^^There's the "uncertain origin" alright. lol
OK, here we go again - I didn't say labeling someone was gay was disrespectful...
Yes, you did (if you posted this): Anderson Cooper is alive and living in the present day - and until he says so himself, I'll give him the respect of not labeling his sexuality.
You would never say something like that about straight person.
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TOTALLY JUST SAW JAKE GYLLENHAAL IN LA COLOMBE...the one time i go for the coffee instead of the intern. magical :)
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You would never say something like that about straight person.
Yes I would, I respect everyone's personal life, straight or gay. It should be up to them if they want to discuss it with someone.
Here you go, all aghast at J. Edgar Hoover's prying and spying, and yet you want to know everything about a person's sex life who you think is gay, want them outed, and wish them ill. Jake for example. Don't you find that the slightest bit hypocritical?
You would never do that to a straight person.
5:15 PM - I get it now, you really are a homophobe.
and until he says so himself, I'll give him the respect of not labeling his sexuality.
Where does it say gay here? It could be gay, straight, bi, asexual, polyamory, etc. etc.
Having fun? Me too. You really can't be this stupid, so I'm sure you are just trying to push buttons. Keep trying! :)
5:24 PM - your playing stupid is beyond pathetic:
Nobody knows if Anderson Cooper is gay because he didn't come out?
Anderson Cooper is alive and living in the present day - and until he says so himself, I'll give him the respect of not labeling his sexuality.
Go bait someone else.
Go bait someone else.
I hear it's been slow over at OMG these days.
5:29, I don't know what you are trying to prove with quotes. The first quote isn't from the same person. The second one doesn't say gay. Not even a good try.
5:49 PM - LMAO! Please try reading comments: second quote is answer to "Nobody knows if Anderson Cooper is gay because he didn't come out?".
Nobody knows.
Noooooooooooooobody knooooooooooows.
EVERYONE knows, without any doubt, that Anderson Cooper is gay as a pink Christmas tree.
6:14 PM, please show some respect! ;)
I resent that!
I know, without any doubt, that Jake Gyllenhaal is gay as a pink Christmas tree.
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