Wednesday 15 July 2009
The Price of Success
July 13, 2009
At Outfest on Sunday afternoon, three-time Emmy winning and openly gay director Todd Holland told a small audience that he advises young, gay male actors to "stay in the closet." The remark came during a panel at the Directors Guild of America titled, "Taking It to the Streets: LGBT Directors Get Political." Outfest, which pushes the slogan "protecting our past, showcasing our present, nurturing our future," is one of the premiere gay and lesbian film festivals in the United States.
Holland, who was talking as one of the featured panelists, and who once worked as a director on the critically acclaimed HBO sit-com The Larry Sanders Show, explained that it's a necessary career choice if a gay actor wants to succeed in Hollywood.
Fellow panelist and filmmaker Kirby Dick, director of Outrage, a 2009 documentary about gay politicians who stay in the closet to further their political careers, told Holland: "I know where you're coming from, but it's a regressive argument."
Holland, who was legally married before Proposition 8 was passed by California voters in November, responded that he was just being realistic, but Dick, who is heterosexual, believed that if "an A-list actor came out, it would have more impact on the culture than an A-list politician."
No one talked about the personal repercussions of a gay actor succeeding in Hollywood by lying about his sexual orientation to the general public.
Holland's comments underscore a decades old problem in Hollywood, where gay and straight studio executives, agents, and other major players often advise up-and-coming gay, male actors to live in the closet. Rarely, though, has someone like Holland been so public with that advice.
Besides Holland and Dick, "Taking It to the Streets" featured filmmakers Jamie Babbit, Katherine Brooks, Frieda Lee Mock and Charles Herman-Wurmfield, and was billed as a discussion about how gay and lesbian filmmakers "are taking a more active role in creating social and political change."
One audience member, openly gay filmmaker Matthew Mishory, later told Queer Town that Holland's mind set is pervasive throughout the entertainment business.
"This stuff doesn't just extend to actors," says Mishory. "We've been told, as gay filmmakers, not tell queer stories or else we'll get pigeonholed."
Mishory has just finished a film about legendary gay director Derek Jarman called Delphinium. Through that work, Mishory has come to believe that "the promise of the New Queer Cinema of the 1980s and 1990s has not necessarily been delivered."
Before the panelists started their discussion, blogger and lesbian filmmaker J.D. Disalvatore warned Outfest crowds on her blog, The Smoking Cocktail, that several of the filmmakers "were not particularly political, so looking forward to seeing what they pull out of their asses for this one."
A few hours later, the 47-year-old Todd Holland publicly shared his "advice," with young, gay and lesbian filmmakers sitting in the audience. One person who heard the remark, and didn't want to be identified, told Queer Town, "What kind of message is that for an older gay filmmaker to send to young gay filmmakers? It's the kind of thing that will keep people in the closet."
Source: Queer Town: Emmy-winning Director Todd Holland to Young, Gay Actors: 'Stay in the Closet', LA Weekly
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Now Jake Gyllenhaal is my bathroom...now Jake Gyllenhaal is walking toward my stall...now Jake Gyllenhaal is sitting on the toilet with me...
What? Where? Who?
2003?! That can't be right.
The U.S. Supreme Court Decision, June 26, 2003
In Lawrence vs. Texas, two gay men say the state of Texas deprived them of privacy rights and equal protection under the law when they were arrested in 1998 for having sex in a Houston home.
All sodomy laws in the US are now unconstitutional and unenforceable when applied to non-commercial consenting adults in private.
arrested in 1998 for having sex in a Houston home
No comment.
Scroll down for Modern fonts fan PoP poster
^^^ IN A WORLD... WHERE YOUR DESTINY IS WRITTEN IN ARIAL
I thought it was different and refreshing, to use an unexpected, plain font, and it doesn't compete with the poster subject. Maybe it's not complete yet, either?
Why would Disney release unfinished posters?
Are these the official posters? I've seen occasions where the actual one was different than the teaser posters.
I don't see how they could be unofficial. Yes, there will be more PoP posters.
There are at least two versions of Jake's PoP poster.
The one on the right looks unfinished, check out the hair, for example:
Jake's PoP posters - two versions
^^^^ Disney, that's very sloppy.
Jake's PoP posters - two versions
They washed Jake's hair a little and covered his abs (hair). Photoshop rules!
I know that posting here doesn't make me sound very objective, but Jake is seriously miscast in this movie.
Posting on IMDb, IHJ or any other forum or blog doesn't make anyone objective - all opinions are subjective.
Fox Searchlight has become one of the main distributors of quality independent films within the last few years. It’s no surprise that they have recently acquired a the much buzzed about film, Crazy Heart. According to Variety, Searchlight paid seven figures to own the distribution rights to the film that stars Maggie Gyllenhaal, Jeff Bridges, Colin Farrell, and Robert Duvall.
Crazy Heart centers on an aging country singer (Bridges) and his developing relationship with a reporter (Gyllenhaal), who gives him creative inspiration. She also helps him deal with the competition and rise of his protege (Farrell). Robert Duvall stars as Bridges mentor in the film, which marks the feature directing debut of Scott Cooper. Cooper also wrote the screenplay for the film which is based off of a novel by Thomas Cobb. T-Bone Burnett (Walk the Line) will produce original music for Crazy Heart, no surprise there.
I love the fact that Colin Farrell has taken a step back from starring in blockbuster films. What was the last one he did, Miami Vice? Since then he’s been in a lot of small budget films, which I think allows him and the audience to focus more on his acting than anything else. I think he’s going in the right direction with his projects. He did end up winning a Golden Globe last year for his work in the indie comedy, In Brudges.
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I love the fact that Colin Farrell has taken a step back from starring in blockbuster films.
Love Colin, hope he's OK.
Dear Ted:
Love reading the Blind Vices! You're my fave. Trying to figure out who they all are. Are the people on the boards close with their guesses? Has Vin Diesel ever been a B.V.?
—Nikki-cole
Dear Vin Vice:
People are pretty spot-on—most of the time. Nevis Divine being an exception; he's confusing everyone. Himself included. And Vin, yeah, with those muscles, of course.
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Actor/comedian Josh Gad has joined Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway in the business-world drama "Love and Other Drugs" at Fox 2000/New Regency.
Ed Zwick ("Defiance") is directing the project, formerly titled "Pharma," which Charles Randolph ("The Interpreter") adapted from Jamie Reidy's nonfiction book "Hard Sell: The Evolution of a Viagra Salesman."
The story follows a salesman (Gyllenhaal) who competes in the cutthroat world of pharmaceuticals to hawk a male performance enhancement drug and enters into a relationship with a woman (Hathaway) with Parkinson's disease. Gad has been cast as Gyllenhaal's brother, a vulgar but successful dot-com entrepreneur who moves in with Gyllenhaal.
Zwick and his Bedford Falls partner Marshall Herskovitz are producing along with Scott Stuber, who originated the project. Randolph is also producing.
Hollywood Reporter
male performance enhancement drug
Sounds so classy, lol.
Sounds like satire. Could be good.
The Evolution of a Male Performance Enhancement Drug Salesman
And Jake begins his beginning into the rom/com world After reading the movies decription. Now he and his beard can make rom/coms together and hold hands while skipping down the yellowbrick road. Yeah Jake, the bearding has done wonders for you.
Actor/comedian Josh Gad has joined Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway in the business-world drama "Love and Other Drugs" at Fox 2000/New Regency.
Things have changed so much that some stars and filmmakers actually have to be discouraged from attending the convention when they have nothing to show or the timing interferes with the strategic rollout of the film's publicity campaign. After announcing Zachary Quinto as the new Spock in 2007, J.J. Abrams wanted to tout "Star Trek" the following year, but the studio convinced him the release was too far out. Likewise, Disney sources claim they were contemplating a big debut for Jerry Bruckheimer's "Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time" with first-time attendee Jake Gyllenhaal, but decided to follow "Trek's" example since the swashbuckling adventure doesn't open until May 2010.
Regardless of the star caliber in attendance, Comic-Con crowds expect to see footage or other assets, and when that material isn't ready in time, it can potentially damage a film's reception. And as one veteran publicist notes, "If you can't 'eventize' your panel, why allow the talent to come down anyway? (Dwayne Johnson's) panel for 'Witch Mountain' was half empty last year."
Variety
you can't 'eventize' your panel, why allow the talent to come down anyway
Sounds like more realistic explanation after Disney managed to publicize unfinished PoP teaser poster. lol
She’ll Do a Happy Dance Soon Enough
BlindGossip - The attorneys have finally hammered out an agreement! We’re finally getting close to the announcement of a split of this couple. Have you noticed how few photos there have been of them together lately? Half this couple is on a project that requires travel. The other half joins them fairly frequently, but it’s really just for the sake of the child/ren. They both have outside relationships. He has a new - albeit temporary - boy toy that his boyfriend is not too happy about. She has an extra man in her life but is afraid to be seen with him before the announcement. No need to feel bad for her, though. She is will be doing a happy dance soon enough. Dance, girl, dance!
BG
He has a new - albeit temporary - boy toy that his boyfriend is not too happy about.
Some people are hard to please.
Rom-coms can assume many forms - baseball flicks, drug exposes, christmas tensions, political corruption, etc. Calling Love and Other Drugs a business drama means nothing. The movie revolves around a heterosexual romance and it's funny. It sounds like Nailed on Viagra. A rom-com, plain and simple. And it's the exact opposite of serious films like Rendition, Zodiac and BBM, the kinds of films that Jake *used* to snag regularly before the crash of Oct. 2007.
Romantic comedy films are movies with light-hearted, humorous plotlines, centered on romantic ideals such as a true love able to surmount most obstacles.
The movie revolves around a heterosexual romance and it's funny.
The movie is about real person's life and business.
Jamie Reidy's book Hard Sell: The Evolution of Viagra
About the Author: Jamie Reidy was a Notre Dame graduate and U.S. Army officer before he "carried the bag" for Pfizer during the drug giant's Golden Age from 1995 to 1999. After tapping his English degree and transitioning to a literary career, Jamie now fears he will have fewer opportunities for naps in his Manhattan Beach, Calif., home than he did as a drug rep.
About the book
Jamie Reidy is to the pharmaceutical business what Jerry Maguire was to professional sports and Frank Abagnale (Catch Me If You Can) was to bank fraud. He's the guy who's been there, done that, and walked away with the insider stories. You'll find yourself rooting for Reidy and at the same time, you'll be shocked by the realities of the world that paid his salary.
Hard Sell is a witty expos© of an industry that touches nearly everyone in contemporary America. It reveals the questionable practices of drug reps, nurses, and even physicians. Reidy traces his ups and downs as a rep for giant drug manufacturer Pfizer, maker of some of the most widely prescribed and used drugs in existence, including Viagra.
With equal parts self-confidence and self-mockery, Reidy tells it like it is in the drug-selling trenches that are our local doctors' offices. The result is a funny and fascinating book that will appeal to those with pharmaceutical sales experience, medical professionals, those who have tried Viagra, and any American unhappy with rising drug prices. Hard Sell will be an easy sale this season.
^^^ Amazon customer review:
First, let it be clear that this book is the sophmoric stories of a self-professed lazy bum egomaniac and half of it is probably fabricated.
Second, let it be clear that after my twenty years in medicine and having many friends in the pharm. industry, there is nothing in this book that strikes me as not potentially true, and much of it is most certainly true. This will be regarded as perplexing and/or infuriating to many not in the industry and probably quite a few doctors.
Third, this is a really funny book that has all kinds of "Oh yea, been there before" moments for anyone in the industry. Despite my disapproval of his personal and business ethics, this is a good read.
a self-professed lazy bum egomaniac
LOL, sounds good!
Dear Sir Ben Kingsley,
How do you go from an Academy Award-winning performance as Mahatma Ghandi to playing cookie-cutter villains in fifth-rate films based on videogame licenses? You are either a fool or the film industry totally hates you. Either way, I weep.
That said, I do have to admit that you look like a total badass in this first promotional image of your character in the upcoming Prince of Persia movie. I would totally not like to meet you in a crowded bazaar, especially with that creepy shimmer in your eye. It just screams, "I'm going to manipulate the very forces of the cosmos and rape your entire bloodline, generation by generation." You terrify me.
The tragedy is that your character is going to wind up with the crap beaten out of him by that wussy, Jake GysahlGreens. There really is no justice in this world, is there?
Hoping you won't violate everyone I hold dear,
Conrad Zimmerman
Destructoid
it's the exact opposite of serious films like Rendition, Zodiac and BBM, the kinds of films that Jake *used* to snag regularly before the crash of Oct. 2007
"Love and Other Drugs" has potential and Anne.
Jake wanted badly to be Prince and that has a bearding price - no one can have it all.
All I do know is that after months of unsuccessfully lobbying many HW starlets (like Paltrow) to do a film with him, I'm not surprised that his old friend Anne Hathaway bailed him out. He should take her out to dinner - without the alchoholic beard.
LOL!! Since when is Annean old freind of Jake's?? Paltrow has already done a film with Jake, Proof plus Goopy is pals with Maggie.
Anne snorts coke.
Making up stuff is fun!
The bit about POP not going to
Comic
Con due to timing is bs. Most films that get previewed there are a year or more away from release; most big films get releaed in May and June, and Comic Con is the end of July. Just one example: Iron Man.
"And Jake begins his beginning into the rom/com world After reading the movies decription..."
Hahaha the rom/com world in HW, very much like the Departure Lounge at the airport!
Something seems off about the comic con bit. Last year one of the reasons for delaying the film was to key the promo to comic con. Now they don't want to be there. I think they know Jake will not draw the crowd that Pattison will and don't want to embarrass him.
Jake was Donnie Darko, he would get a crowd.
I agree about the weird decision to skip Comic Con. Something is up and I can't quite put my finger on it. Or any other body part for that matter. ;)
What body part would you like to put your finger on?
Hoping you won't violate everyone I hold dear
LOL!
Since when is Anne an old freind of Jake's??
Since BBMt.
I think they know Jake will not draw the crowd that Pattison will and don't want to embarrass him.
Prince of Persia is 10 years old and very popular game.
With or without Jake I'm sure a lot of people would we interested in seeing how PoP game (parkour, time control) looks in the movie.
Con due to timing is bs. Most films that get previewed there are a year or more away from release
An example - Comic-Con: Marvel Studios and Paramount's panel for Iron Man 2 will take place on Saturday, July 25th.
Iron Man 2 release date: 7 May 2010
By Jamie Lee Curtis
Pain is part of the body's defense system, triggering a reflex reaction to retract from a painful stimulus, and helps adjust behavior to increase avoidance of that particular harmful situation in the future. So says Wikipedia. My favorite reference to Pain comes from The Princess Bride by William Goldman (I have quoted it on HuffPo before):
"Life is pain and anyone who tells you different is selling something."
Deepak Chopra explained that MJ asked him for narcotics to ease his pain. He seemed to ask everyone who had a medical license and some who didn't. He seemed to ask for himself and others, Mr. Omar I presume was a fellow junkie without medical insurance...
We're being shown now, in the weeks following Mr. Jackson's death, the supposed headwaters of his river of pain, the accident with Pepsi and the literal head on fire. It is a harrowing image, flames leaping off his head seconds before others came to his rescue.
The explanation is that this moment was the drug start point that eventually took over his life. I don't believe it. The pain he suffered was from his birth, from his being and becoming the commodity that then made him the omnipotent King of the Pop-Goes-The-Weasel-Jacko-In-The-Neverland-Box that destroyed him. Few children, put into the intense focus of their precious youth being marketed for other's pleasure, come out unscathed and with any sense of mental balance. I won't name names but we all know who they are as they have navigated their fame and falls on the covers of magazines and at the top of news hours. Rarely are the parents really held accountable for the fragile, destroyed youths as many of the young people get the F*&^% away as fast as their agents and lawyers get them... but the imprint is there, it cannot be undone without a painful process of self discovery and as we know... pain needs to be killed... not tolerated and examined.
Listen, I can relate. I too found painkillers after a routine cosmetic surgical procedure and I too became addicted, the morphine becomes the warm bath from which to escape painful reality. I was a lucky one. I was able to see that the pain had started long ago and far away and that the finding the narcotic was merely a matter of time. The pain needed numbing. My recovery from drug addiction is the single greatest accomplishment of my life... but it takes work -- hard, painful work -- but the help is there, in every town and career, drug/drink freed members of society, from every single walk and talk of life to help and guide.
I believe Mr. Jackson was in pain. Burns are a horrible injury and excruciating to recover from... but there was a time, when the physical pain ends and the emotional trauma takes over for which he needed the real help, the real treatment, the real focus. Mr. Jackson was an addict. It is coming out. Everywhere. He wanted relief and would get it in any name, place or method he could. It was and is a conspiracy of silence and I'm sure there were attempts to intervene and I'm sure his family and friends tried... but the addict gets what the addict wants, relief from the pain of their life... We all participated. We are all involved. Donations should be donated to drug treatment and prevention, not to his children. They don't need money. They need their father and sadly he is dead. Maybe, his morphing face will be know for not being the King of Pop but the sad mask of trauma and neglect and fear and yes... pain.
Huffington Post
"Life is pain and anyone who tells you different is selling something."
Selling mood lift drugs or sex :)
Page Six
SIGHTINGS
ANDERSON Cooper at the Santa Maria Della Victoire Church in Rome with a muscled, older gentleman, checking out the Bernini sculptures.
Since when is Anne an old freind of Jake's??
Since BBMt.
Really? They didn't give me a friends vibe during BBM promo. But yeah, they could have stayed in touch and gone out every now and then post BBM. :)
Anne snorts coke.
Who in Hollywood does not? Also her shady ex was also a cokehead.
Really? They didn't give me a friends vibe during BBM promo.
Of course they are friends, Anne loves gays.
And gays love Anne!
Of course they are friends, Anne loves gays.
LOL. She seems very likeabe.
Anne loves gays
Andrew Belonsky seems very likeabe, too.
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I finally discovered what/why Jake's POP Prince reminds me of, and what bothers me about it: he looks just like Kevin Sorbo's tv show character Hercules.
Kevin Sorbo's tv show character Hercules
I'm much cuter!
"Love and Debate" DVD Release
The movie formerly known as "Thanks To Gravity" (2006) has been renamed and will be out on DVD August 25, 2009. Same day as "The Informers" and "One Tree Hill" (Season 6).
Trailer
Pics
Austin Nichols Journal
"Donations should be donated to drug treatment and prevention, not to his children. They don't need money. They need their father and sadly he is dead"
I'll take money over MJ's paternal love ANYTIME!
Ouch! lol
I'm much cuter!
My arms are bigger than yours!
Director Todd Holland Clarifies Advice on Coming Out as an Actor
Emmy-winning director Todd Holland clarifies his advice (offered at a panel at Outfest) that to succeed, actors should stay in the closet. Here's part of Holland's clarification, all of which you can read at The Wrap:
"If you’re a guy, no one cares ... unless you're in that fractional .002 percent of the young male actor population, and you really have the goods to become a true leading man. Then there may be obstacles to both living authentically and achieving that Holy Grail of dreams: real, tent-pole-sized Hollywood Stardom. Gatekeepers abound at every level. Studios are like feisty Chihuahuas -- they are inherently fearful, and if their bottom lines are at risk, they’ll bite. Agents and managers do not push rocks up hill -- they’ll push level (but prefer downhill). And their bottom lines are also at risk. Casting directors (sometimes gay ones especially) are often very reluctant to promote openly gay actors fearing, I imagine, some 'what the f--- are you thinking?' response from straight employers.
My damning words were: 'If you are that .002 percent ... I can't tell you to come out.' I never said stay in the closet. And that matters. My meaning in 'I can't tell you to come out' is inherently parental. Translation: 'If you take the path of coming out, you will be living authentically -- and that is a great achievement in anyone’s life. But I can't promise you're going to skirt the gatekeepers or scale the hurdles the system has in place.' To me, that is a real and honest answer. Yes, it is neither activist nor idealistic -- but it is the real world I work in every day. It is the world in which I live authentically."
I appreciate Holland's clarification, but do take offense at his characterization of blogs as cockroaches.
In related news, film director Don Roos made remarks at Outfest similar to Holland's. Roos says that he doesn't believe actors should come out of the closet:
“I prefer more mystery. I don’t want to know about [the actor’s] political views, whether they’re gay or straight. I have a deep respect for homophobia [in American society] and I don’t think it will ever go away. I don’t think actors coming out is going to help end homophobia. I think doctors, teachers and lawyers coming out will end homophobia...We’re a country of bigots. I don’t want that to go away entirely. We wouldn’t be interesting anymore."
Ttowleroad
I appreciate Holland's clarification, but do take offense at his characterization of blogs as cockroaches.
LOL
Thankyou Towleroad! :*
Also, I don't think the Dustin Lance Black found most influential was an actor - wasn't it Harvey Milk? Although it would be nice if they would come out, when it is safe and right for the actor, of course, first of all - and be someone to look up to for young people - they just aren't the only ones.
I'll wait another 20-30 years and keep my sex tapes in a safe place.
Good thinking, Jakey!
There is an article on the British Enquirer (that copies its articles word by word from Star Magazine) about how Jake fears that Owen Wilson will steal Reese from him. It’s full of nauseating PR words describing the beard as so “beautiful, smart and blonde” and how Jake has to trust that the woman he wants to marry won’t stray.
"beautiful, smart and...blonde????"
Is that like a superior quality or something?
and the Owen Wilson thing is too stupid for words
Jake fears that Owen Wilson will steal Reese from him
LMAO!
I wish she would fall for Owen hard and then end this charade with Jake. Unfortunately there's too much $$ at stake for that to happen.
copies its articles word by word from Star Magazine
That explains Reeke crap :)
I wish she would fall for Owen
I need smug bitch in my life as much as I need another hole in my head.
Owen is a suicidal junkie, LOL!!!
Reeke PR couldn't use Paul Rudd (married), so it had to be Owen.
Prince Opens His Porthole on a Yacht
NYPost - Which perennial bachelor princeling should be more careful? While His Serene Highness was cavorting on a yacht in the Mediterranean with a hunky guy, he thought the servants on board would keep their mouths shut. He was wrong.
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Reeke PR couldn't use Paul Rudd (married), so it had to be Owen.
^^
Give me a break, couldn't they use some "anonymous" movie technician or an "important producer" or ANYBODY else for what it matters, than Owen Fucking Wilson!! This is the worst PR crap ever!! So much worst than "sex on a plane" or "The rejected proposal"
I think Chin's PR people are too tired and ashamed and they want to get fired ASAP! THEY WANT TO GET OUT!!!!!
There is no other explanation...
Give me a break, couldn't they use some "anonymous" movie technician or an "important producer" or ANYBODY else
"Anonymous" movie technician - not good enough.
"Important producer" - our public can't identify with unknown men.
Anybody else - it's chin's PR, it can't be just anybody.
There is no other explanation...
Unfortunately, there is other explanation - PR and tabloids know their public and know how easy it is to sell Reese and Reeke bullshit.
His Serene Highness was cavorting on a yacht in the Mediterranean with a hunky guy
Princes should stick together.
Simmer down girls, it's just fanfic from a UK tabloid, LOL!! Do you think Reeke PR would use junkie suicidal Owen??? They have no control over fanfic overseas.
Besides isn't he supposedly dating some Kate Hudson look a like???
^The article has to be in Star Magazine. British Enquirer reprints Star in the UK.
Now we have Reese/Owen rumors. In September we'll get Jake/Anne rumors.
Simmer down girls, it's just fanfic from a UK tabloid
As you can read, we know it's tabloid fiction.
It is still Reeke PR, whether Reese's or Jake's PR team arranged it or not.
In September we'll get Jake/Anne rumors.
Nah.
Best "boyfriend" ever (according to "People") never notice other women.
Future Jake/Anne rumors:
Everyone on the set loves Anne Hathaway. Her co-star Jake Gyllenhaal thinks Anne is an amazing person, someone he can talk to for hours and hours about another amazing, beautiful, down to earth, smart and blonde woman, actress, mother, charity ambassador and fighter for a better world Reese Witherspoon.
Twitter; Jake the jackass
TheJunoReport: I met Jake Gyllenhaal at air port security. The guy was a total ass and refused to give my sister and autograph. #lameclaimtofame
"Jake fears that Owen Wilson will steal Reese from him"
Poor Owen, hasn't the guy suffered enough.
I met Jake Gyllenhaal at air port security. The guy was a total ass and refused to give my sister and autograph.
Probably on his way to Philly.
Also, do not attempt to adjust your monitor, the photo to the left is indeed our first look at Jake Gyllenhaal as the Prince of Persia. With those two swords in his hands and that red sash around his waist, he looks more like a chef at a Chinese restaurant than the video game hero.
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13952_1-10292927-81.html
2:07, the "I met Jake Gyllenhaal at air port security." tweet was hashmarked with " #lameclaimtofame " so there's no way of knowing if the sighting was recent. Do a Twitter search for #lameclaimtofame and you'll find a lot of people have met celebs, not always right now.
I remember Daniel Craig getting a lot of shit while filming 007. Now, after 2 successful movies, critics say he is the best Bond ever, so....
oh who i'm i kidding??!, "a chef at a Chinese restaurant"!!! Fuck.Things don't look good for Jakey :(
2:38: Doesn't matter, the guy said Jake was an ass.
oh who i'm i kidding??!, "a chef at a Chinese restaurant"!!!
Jake doesn't look THAT bad as Prince :)
‘Alice in Wonderland’ teaser trailer
I'm feeling torn about Brothers and POP. As much As I want them to do well so that Jake can have 2 successful movies back to back and can get his career on track, I also would want them, especially POP, to fail so that all that Reekeing can't be validated. If the main reason Jake decided to beard was to campaign for and get POP, then if it's a hit, it's like telling him that bearding was the right thing to do and being Reese's boyfriend helped his career. If they fail, it's like telling him that he lost his fans because if the heavy Reekeing and that Reese's fans are only loyal to her. Also I think that if POP tanks Reese will be dumping him fast. And before anyone jumps on me-just stating MY opinion on a blog that discusses all things Jake.
You're entitled. :)
Short UK video about PoP and PoP poster.
No new footage of Jake, the bitch is in the video.
"Reese Witherspoon's boyfriend has teamed up with British beauty Gemma Arterton to star in Jerry Bruckheimer's film based on the computer game Prince Of Persia."
ITN UK - video about PoP
I disagree with some things on the post4:04 PM
Reeking was created to make Jake GET the part in PoP, not to make the movie a guarantee of success.
He had to show he was full commited with being straight.
If the movie flops or not, it could be for a lot of more reasons besides reeking: bad marketing,PR mistakes, bad timing or simply that people doesn't care to watch the movie.
Reeking is nothing more than Jake's straight card, it is a huge part of his image but i don't think is going to be the determinant factor in his acting career
"the bitch is in the video"
wow, she really is unpleasant isn't she. poor Jakey, can never really work out which scenario I find most tragic, he's bearding and is putting up with her, or he actually finds her attractive.
Reeking was created to make Jake GET the part in PoP, not to make the movie a guarantee of success. He had to show he was full commited with being straight.
IA, except PoP part - Jake got PoP BEFORE reeking started (before Nov 2006).
The 15 Most Annoying Movies Yet to Come Out in 2009
2. Brothers
Stars: Jake Gyllenhaal, Natalie Portman, Tobey Maguire
Release: December 4th
IMDB’s Plot: Sam Cahill (Maguire) returns from being held as a prisoner-of-war in Afghanistan to find that his ex-con brother (Gyllenhaal) has become the man, of sorts, of the household where Sam’s wife, Grace (Portman) had been living under the assumption that she was a widow.
Why It Looks Annoying: The beginning of the trailer starts off as obvious Oscar bait: some slow piano music, Jake Gyllenhaal walking in the snow, quiet flirting over some illegal drugs. It’s all very big-studio-but-still-indie-feeling. But then Tobey Maguire wakes up and suddenly sh*t gets real. And by “real”, we mean it cascades into melodramatic nonsense complete with spine-chilling drum beats before finishing with some slow piano music to remind us that, after all, this is an Oscar movie. Note: We will see it because we live in a world where director Jim Sheridan does no wrong.
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*Jake got PoP BEFORE reeking started (before Nov 2006)*
I'm sure he went to Disney producers like this: "..Oh,please..pretty pleeeeease, i'm going to be so straight, I'LL GET A BEARD! I promise, please, give me the part..."
Next think you know: Jake gets the new beard !!
he went to Disney producers like this: "..Oh,please..pretty pleeeeease, i'm going to be so straight, I'LL GET A BEARD! I promise, please, give me the part..."
That's right, but you forgot to mention one important detail - Jake and Disney producer(s) were naked at the time.
I guess technically, he wasn't naked, he was wearing socks.
As long as ALL OF YOU were wearing rubbers everything is just fine,Toothy! :)
Blowjobs with rubbers? :)
Blowjobs with rubbers? :)
Unfortunately, in this time and age, yes :(
besides, didn't you ever hear about oral herpes? it's no fun, I assure you
I believe you, but I don't think people are that careful.
well, they should :(
I'm feeling torn about Brothers and POP.
There is no way "Brothers" will make money.
Disney will spend 50-60 millions on PoP marketing and I'm sure they will sell PoP to the masses. I think PoP will return money, but won't be big hit.
Did Channing Tatum Get Married to Sell G.I. Joe Tix?
Convenient that Channing Tatum is engaged just as his G.I. Joe movie releases. Do publicists have a say in celeb marriage?
—JCabalona
You speak of the criminally sexy union between Step Up costars Channing Tatum and Jenna Dewan. The two got married two weekends ago in Malibu, in what was surely an all-singing, all-dancing festival of their love. And as you've already noted, Tatum has this G.I. Joe movie coming out next month. Maybe you read about the flick in the media's wedding coverage, or maybe you learned about it after seeing Tatum shirtless on the cover of GQ.
You also speak of the hinky timing of the wedding, but really, son. You're not thinking big enough...
In fact, some star marriages wouldn't even exist if not for publicists.
Like? Well, according to a new book on Michael Jackson, both of the late singer's marriages fell somewhere between hoax and epic myth. "I've been around long enough to know that this was nothing more than a publicity stunt," Jackson's former publicist Bob Jones says of the infamous marriage to Lisa Marie Presley in Michael Jackson: Behind the Mask. Of Debbie Rowe, Jones says, "The marriage and the entire setup with Debbie Rowe was nothing more than a sham. Michael Jackson wasn't the least bit interested in Debbie Rowe."
If what Jones says is true, those two weddings were the latest in a long line of fakes all arranged by publicists or other well-meaning hangers-on. The late Rock Hudson married Phyllis Gates, his agent's secretary; Hudson, of course, was gay. If that wasn't arranged by a publicist, it sure was arranged for publicity.
Now let's get back to the crux of your question: The timing of Tatum's wedding, and do publicists have anything to do with that sort of thing. The answer is sometimes. "The only time a publicist would have a say in the timing is if the couple wanted to sell the wedding photos," says publicist Howard Bragman, author of Where's My Fifteen Minutes? "If you wanted to consider the champagne sponsor, the wedding ring sponsor, that sort of thing."
In other words, the deadline days of weekly tabloids can have an awful lot to do with the timing of an engagement or a nuptial, at least, if a couple is greedy.
All that said, here's another angle: You're cynical. "Sometimes love is love," Bragman insists. "And the reason why actors get married when movies are coming out isn't to promote the movie, it's because they're in between projects. It's a scheduling issue."
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Oh, please. come with something we don't know!
I hope Prince of Persia does well, but I don't think it'll do as well as it would have if Sex and the City wasn't opening the same day. That movie opening is going to cut into the "OMG! Shirtless Jake!" crowd.
Oh, please. come with something we don't know!
Repetitio est madre studiorum.
The world is full of naive fangirls!
Happy Birthday Rufus Wainwright!
Jake, you listen to wise Rufus. What he says in Greg In Hollywood is 1000% true.
RWbf
long version: ReeseWitherspoon'sbf
formal version: REESE WITHERSPOON bf
even if his face does resemble that of a child who just dropped his ice cream on a cat and is watching the cat run away with it on its back.
Fuck! I want my ice cream but I ain't licking a pussy to get it!
*Fuck!*
Reese is mentioned as not many people know who Jake is. They are also trying to create interest among Reese's fans to go see the movie. Is there anyone who still thinks Jake is A-list? He cannot survive without his beard for publicity....pathetic!
lettiestratton: If I'm not mistaken, I saw Jake Gyllenhaal on Martha's Vineyard...and he winked at me. I'm probably mistaken.
26 minutes ago from web
Reese is mentioned as not many people know who Jake is.
Please, they were talking about Jake's movie - it's an insult and bad manners.
Jake, you listen to wise Rufus. What he says in Greg In Hollywood is 1000% true.
I met Rufus in April 2008 at the GLAAD Media Awards where he was being honored. He told me something really cool that day. He said he has “always made a real effort to be completely honest about who I am and to sing about boys and about my life as a homosexual so it’s the right match.”
Then he gave this really amazing acceptance speech on stage: “An artist’s decision to live an authentic life should go hand-in-hand with success. The more honest you are and more willing to share, the more gratifying it will be for your audience.”
He also touched on something else that isn’t talked about too much about so many of us gay people: “We have to work so hard to be so brilliant and be so fabulous all the time, we often forget that we are damaged and we are hurt. To allow gay people to think everything is fine - it’s not.”
Actually, I think it's really funny that Jake is introduced as Reese Witherspoon's boyfriend. 2 1/2 years of bearding and instead of being known as Jake Gyllenhaal, the world's straightest actor, he's become Mr. Witherspoon. Serves him right. What happens when Reese dumps him. Then he won't be known at all.
even if his face does resemble that of a child who just dropped his ice cream on a cat and is watching the cat run away with it on its back.
Jake: Fuck! I want my ice cream but I ain't licking a pussy to get it!
LOL!
*gets an almost-guaranteed Oscar-winning money-making project*
*invites Jake Gyllenhaal over to her Beverly Hills home for dinner to discuss his potential lead in the project*
*buys ice cream*
We shall see what Pretty Boy will lick now for an important box office, big moola Oscar movie role.
If POP becomes a big hit, Reese will become Jake's girlfriend, a natural power shift that Reese's ego won't be able to handle.
At that point, she will probably dump him, although it will be made to look like a mutual parting.
I dunno 8:37. IMO Reese would bask in the glory of having a hot popular bf.
Reese hearts being a Power Couple
ITA with 8:48pm, Reese will have her PR push how Reese is so wonderful to have a hot, younger, successful boyfriend who keeps asking to marry her. I do think that if Jake's movies fail, she'll dump ASAP because then her boyfriend will drag her down.
Now's a good time for Jake to go to MV, if he still has a place to stay. That way he can visit NC (or have Austin come to MV) and do his PR in Philly. And the Chin can come to MV for a few days and get her PR done too.
MV/NC/NYC/PA = no time changes! Whoohoo!
You'd be surprised how many people think Reese Witherspoon is whatshername, the fat blond who played Bridget Jones. Oh, Renee Zwhatever.
NessaMal: Just said hello to Jake gyllenhaal at dodger stadium! Too star struck to ask to take picture =/ lol
2 minutes ago from mobile web ·
JmzSal: omg...jake gylenhal is at this game and i just saw him...
about 1 hour ago from txt ·
kriskers: JAKE GYLLENHAAL AT THE DODGER GAME AND HE JUST THREW UP THE L.A. SIGN. HE'S ADORABLE!
about 2 hours ago from txt
8 more tweets of Jake at Dodgers. So looks like Jake's at the Dodger game.....unless OMG, its a PR conspiracy, yes that's it.
No pics, it didn't happen. PR set up at least 15 tweet accounts with thousands and thousands of entries and hundreds of followers/following so Jake could be placed at the Dodger game on the night of July 22 2009.
Dodgers won over the Reds with a Grand Slam. Looks like Jake may have to attend all the Dodgers games now.
Too bad Oscar-winning and Avon Global Ambassador gorgeous actress REESE WITHERSPOON wasn't at the Dodger game with her bf. We would have gotten 65+ pics and story in Just Jared, IHJ, ONTD, Gossip Girls and Faded Youth ASAP.
LOL
^^^^ Awww and LOL!
So looks like Jake's at the Dodger game.....unless OMG, its a PR conspiracy, yes that's it.
So MV twitter was a joke.
No pics, it didn't happen. PR set up at least 15 tweet accounts with thousands and thousands of entries and hundreds of followers/following so Jake could be placed at the Dodger game on the night of July 22 2009.
You are free to believe ALL twitter sightings. LOL
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This morning, sitting in his office chair in his darkened Venice, California, recording studio, he has a new mission: to compose the music for Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time for his-long term collaboration with the producer Jerry Bruckheimer. “This is the bit I like,” he said. “It is before I have done anything wrong.”
Gregson-Williams met with the director, Mike Newell, in London to do what is known as “spotting” the movie, which is how most scoring begins. “We talk conceptually about the music and then I take a closer look at the picture,” he said. “I’m wondering about doing some traditional Middle Eastern music or Persian orchestration.”
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For Prince of Persia, he has been given a total of three months to score 90 minutes of music. “I think we are cracking it when we do two minutes a day,” he said. “Eight weeks is a good amount of time to compose; 12 is better.”
The music will be recorded with a live orchestra at the end of August in London in his favourite studio, Abbey Road. “When I was assisting Richard Harvey, I had a chance to work there. It was such a hallowed place,” he said. “I wondered if I would ever have a chance to score there myself.”
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Female Hollywood Director-Producer said... We shall see what Pretty Boy will lick now for an important box office, big moola Oscar movie role.
Not going to happen.
Thank Moses, Hollywood is full of male producers and directors!
Jake, just call, you know where to find us!
Lance Armstrong & Jake Gyllenhaal - 3 Years Later & Still No Resolution
With Lance Armstrong racing again in the Tour de France I always take a trip down blog-memory-lane and remember a post I did in 2006 about Jake Gyllenhaal seeming to be interested in playing the part of Lance Armstrong in a biopic.
Three years later, the Armstrong story continues to develop and leaving retirement after seven consecutive Tour de France wins, Lance Armstrong joins the Astana racing team out of Kazakhstan. The race has an interesting intrigue with Armstrong's teammate Alberto Contador from Spain who won the tour in 2007.
Rumors about the Armstrong biopic continue to circulate, and Gyllenhaal's name continue to make the rounds. Most recently a quick blurb in the Boston Globe mentioned Matt Damon and Ben Stiller. I've also heard less impressive names like Chris Pine and Robert Pattinson as well.
I'm still curious at the angle that will be taken in a Lance Armstrong biopic - cancer, divorce, performance enhancing drugs, victory, biking, Olympics, love? Who can tell.
And as for Jake, he seems to like Armstrong and want the part, but I have this feeling others want to play this 'Live Strong Role' as well.
Strange Culture
JG, In Development, details only on IMDbPro:
Damn Yankees
Untitled Moon Project
Untitled Joe Namath Project
Joe Namath and Lance Armstrong would be too much :)
Gregson-Williams met with the director, Mike Newell, in London to do what is known as “spotting” the movie, which is how most scoring begins. “We talk conceptually about the music and then I take a closer look at the picture,” he said.
Sounds interesting. :)
TRAILER TRACKS WITH SAM STRANGE: BROTHERS
Movie commercials offer us a great service; they not only show us which upcoming movies look good, but also which upcoming movies look like Hitler Turds (turds that waste no energy being anywhere except directly beneath your nose). In honor of this profound art, which I partake in from time to time, I give you TRAILER TRACKS, a weekly examination of upcoming movie commercials: what they say, what they don't say, and what they say accidentally about the product being sold to you, the excited chump.
This Week's Entry:
Brothers
(Lion's Gate; Dir. Jim Sheridan)
Introduction:
Brothers appears to be both a drama and a thriller about the horrors of war. Thanks to the stupid Academy Awards, many filmmakers fail to realize that mixing dramatic messages with trashy thriller tropes adulterates "messages" to the point of being disingenuous. You can have The Deerhunter, and you can have Sleeping With the Enemy, but Sleeping With the Deerhunter is almost always gonna star John Heard and suck ass. Anyway, the film is directed by Jim Sheridan, who I guess is taking a break from his long string of hilarious comedies.
The Set Up:
The first thing we see is a funeral for a soldier, played by Tobey Maguire's Soul. His widow (Natalie Portman) complains, "I can't feel it. Shouldn't I be able to feel it?" which automatically tells me that even when he was alive their marriage had problems due to a small penis.
With Daddy dead, someone's got to help Mommy with the kids because being a single mother is for lesbians. Enter Jake Gyllenhaal, Hollywoods oddest looking Heart-throb. Gyllenhaal feels he should lend a hand because he's the soldier's Brother, and it's the right thing to do. He also appears to be kind of a fuck up compared to Maguire's ultra serious responsible dead guy, and maybe he thinks he can be a better person in the eyes of himself if he becomes a better person in the eyes of the women his brother liked to beat-up on and unsatisfy sexually.
The Problem:
Gyllenhaal first grows close with the children, and later, thanks to a joint filled with drugs (Crack, I'm pretty sure), with the Portman. We don't need to see them making out to know they'll soon be making out, but the commercial has them making out anyway just in case Gail and Oprah were too busy making out to get the implications.
So now they are in love, and the kids seem to love him too. But then one morning she gets a phone call and HOLY FUCKING SHIT! JESUS CHRIST! YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME! HE'S NOT DEAD! MOTHERFUCKER! HE LIVED! HE'S NOT FUCKING DEAD AT ALL! fuck.
Looks like the guy they found and buried was actually just D.J. Qualls. Given an honorable discharge, which means his troubling signs of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder are swept under the table so he can look more heroic and less like Travis Bickle, Tobey Maguire's Soul is back from the dead and looking to score some wife-tang. But has Gyllenhaal changed her so much into a reckless Democrat that she's now beyond reconciliation with her angry Republican?
The Solution:
I think at this point, the movie will have its big, actiony flashback which will keep the men awake while simultaneously humanizing Tobey Maguire's Soul a little bit. It won't matter in the long run because as soon as he finds out about where his brother's dick has been sleeping lately, it's all over for everybody.
My prediction for how it goes down: Portman will try to be with him. He'll beat her up a bit, and she'll take it because she knows he's been through a lot. Getting beaten up, like frequent U-Haul contracts, is just one of the many bullet-points in the army wife brochure. But then his anger shifts to the children. Especially this little bitch who keeps rubbing the balloon! Listen, I used to be allowed to have kids in the house, and that shit gets annoying pretty quick! Once he beats them up, Gyllenhaal has to step in because he loves those kids, goddammit.
Gyllanhaal's step-in really pisses off Tobey Maguire's Soul and gives him a Taliban flashback, so he puts on a grey sweatshirt and starts beating up their glass kitchen with a golf club. Pretty soon the Kitchen Police show up. Maguire begs them to shoot. They oblige him in the face.
They bury him again only to find out that he was actually D.J. Qualls all along and the person they buried in the first place was Tobey Maguire. Portman really freaks out because she not only re-loses her husband, but realizes that she had weird angry sex with D.J. Qualls. On top of that, Gyllenhaal's got her all hopped up and addicted to Marijuana. Now she has to sell her body to support her drug habit. The end.
Summation:
It's difficult to believe someone wanted to make a film out of a Jerry Springer episode, yet here it is. The drama pedigree is pretty high though, so maybe it will be more classy than I give it credit for. One actor was in Brokeback Mountain, while the other was in Satan's Alley so they both have experience with stories about Forbidden Love. I feel a little sorry for Natalie Portman whose role seems limited to crying and kissing, the 1½ K's of Hollywood sexism (a C is ½ a K, where I come from).
In the end, you just watched the movie, so why pay ten bucks to go see it in a theater full of assholes? This movie commercial just tried to do you a huge favor, don't let it be in vain. Don't let it be in vain.
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His widow (Natalie Portman) complains, "I can't feel it. Shouldn't I be able to feel it?" which automatically tells me that even when he was alive their marriage had problems due to a small penis.
LMAO!
On top of that, Gyllenhaal's got her all hopped up and addicted to Marijuana. Now she has to sell her body to support her drug habit. The end.
Poor Grace! lol
Pretentious.
That "review", I mean. What is HW "sexism", is there a new definition?
Very funny review! But, was it made it as a joke or it is the real review of the movie? Is the story like that exactly? If it is... ugh!
Just "Brothers" trailer review.
Somehow, a guy lecturing on sexism and making light of PTSD, from his Mom's basement, whose only view of the real world is The Jerry Springer show, just doesn't ring true or isn't funny.
That's just Sam Strange's Brothers trailer review - 100% personal and fun.
Movies should be fun.
whose only view of the real world is The Jerry Springer show
The Jerry Springer show and Oprah.
the commercial has them making out anyway just in case Gail and Oprah were too busy making out to get the implications
Can people be born without sense of humor like 10:14 AM, or is it just a myth?
Everyone has some kind of sense of humor.
I think 10:14 AM takes things a bit too serious.
Jimmy: I'm Jimmy.
Chloe: I'm Chloe.
Jimmy: Chloe! The whore next door!
Chloe: What? Where did you hear that?
Jimmy: My Mom, she teaches me everything.
Chloe: Well, really, she got it wrong. I'm actually more of a bitch than a whore.
Jimmy: A bitch. Oh yeah, a bitch. Absolutely a bitch.
"thanks to a joint filled with drugs (Crack, I'm pretty sure)"
LOL
he puts on a grey sweatshirt and starts beating up their glass kitchen with a golf club. Pretty soon the Kitchen Police show up
LOL, Sam Strange is my kind of guy :)
Jimmy: Dog poo! This is awesome!
"With Daddy dead, someone's got to help Mommy with the kids because being a single mother is for lesbians. Enter Jake Gyllenhaal, Hollywoods oddest looking Heart-throb"
I thought the "trailer review" was pretty funny. & Jake IS fucking odd-looking.
There's little mention of the really gruesome stuff that happens in this story that sends Tobey to the looney bin. that's good, 'cause nobody would go see the film if this was made known.
just saying
anyone know if the filming was "in the can" yet when HEATH LEDGER DIED?
They were filming Brothers when Heath died.
Yeah, I know, but where were they in the process, I wonder.
Filming was almost done.
Why you have to bring Heath on this? Their lives weren't connected anymore.They were just co-workers in 1 single movie, nothing more! Now people will say,that Jake's PoP accent sucks because he still miss Ledger so much...!
Their lives weren't connected anymore.
Of course they were.
11:26,why do you want to know at what stage they were when Heath died? And why the caps?
Just curious.
They were just co-workers in 1 single movie, nothing more!
Heath and Jake said they were good friends.
Their lives weren't connected anymore.
Of course they were.
^^^^
What? Why you think that?
just curious too...
Brothers official website
What? Why you think that?
Because they said so.
"Why you have to bring Heath on this?"
Just trolling, havent heard a crazy rant from the Heathens for a few days. miss the lil buggers.
Heathens are good, trolls are crazy.
"Heath and Jake said they were good friends"
^^
ALL fucking actors say that shit during promo, it's part of movie campaing. Sometimes is true, sometimes is not...
Maybe they were friends during the shooting but now Jake acts like he never met him.
Sorry, but i think they just got along ok when they had to work together and then they simply parted ways.
I don't sense an undying friendship there and i don't really think Jake's life was affected by Heath's passing, appart of the obvious shock of the death of someone of his own age that he used to know
ALL fucking actors say that shit during promo, it's part of movie campaing.
They said it long AFTER the promo was done.
What? Why you think that?
Because they said so.
^^
oh right, then i'll believe Jake when he starts telling the media he loooves Ree$e during PoP promo
12:05 PM, are you bored? Who gives a fuck?
*Just trolling, havent heard a crazy rant from the Heathens for a few days. miss the lil buggers*
THOUGHT SO.
^ why are you yelling??????
12:07 PM #2
Why are you bothered with Jake and Heath's friendship?
12:05 PM, are you bored? Who gives a fuck?
The poster who initiated the subject GIVES A FUCK.
If you are not interested then don't comment, easy as that
Don't worry, i won't miss you
"The poster who initiated the subject GIVES A FUCK."
Does "Just trolling, havent heard a crazy rant from the Heathens for a few days. miss the lil buggers." sound like he/she gives a fuck, silly? Get a brain.
The poster wants to troll about Heath, that's a hobby as respectable as any other.
Why not answer him/her?
...and I love you too, 12:16
12:16 PM
The one who posted "Just trolling, havent heard a crazy rant from the Heathens for a few days. miss the lil buggers." needs a brain.
12:22 PM, like I said, get a brain hon. Don’t take it the wrong way, it’s a friendly advice. Might do wonders for you.
When asked if he believes in God or is spiritual, Brad Pitt said, "No, no, no! I'm probably 20 per cent atheist and 80 per cent agnostic. I don't think anyone really knows. You'll either find out or not when you get there, until then there's no point thinking about it."
"Byron said the only difference between the English and Turks was the English spent all their time whoring and drinking, while the Turks preferred sodomy and sherbet. I'm looking forward to a bit of sodomy and sherbet myself.…Sorry granny, sorry mum. "I'd better say sorry. My grandmother, who is aged 99, might be sitting in front of the television, swallowing her false teeth."
— Rupert Everett. [The Sun]
12:32 PM
I wonder if you like to patronize people in real life too.....
trolls are harmless, btw
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