Tuesday, 19 May 2009
Playing gay, being gay
24 November 2005
This well might be the Year of the Gay at the Oscars. Not the year of the gay actor - heavens forbid - but the year when actors are rewarded for playing gay parts. Philip Seymour Hoffman has produced what is said to be a virtuoso account of Truman Capote's mincing style in Capote. Felicity Huffman, the put-upon one in Desperate Housewives, has been persuaded to play a male-to-female transvestite in Transamerica. And Annie Proulx's great short story, Brokeback Mountain, about an extended and tragic love affair between two cowboys, has been filmed by Ang Lee with Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal in the leads.
Oscars surely await some of these. There are half a dozen other big name actors playing gay roles this season, and it's evidently now a safe career move. It's worth noting, however, that none of these actors themselves is gay, and indeed most of them have been at some pains to distance themselves from any such suggestion. Michelle Williams, the mother of Ledger's child, appears in Brokeback Mountain as his character's betrayed wife. That, one must assume, could only happen when there was no possibility whatever of it being, for instance, a sardonic joke on a real-life gay affair. The casting of Williams is a spectacular example of the sexual alibi; for anyone who cares to wonder, we are reassured that this could only be a piece of "let's pretend", and the actor's real interests are nervously displayed on screen.
As if that wasn't enough, the actors in these films are always at pains to stress the incredible trauma involved in having to pretend to kiss a person of the same sex in front of cameras. To be fair, this is always a subject that unhealthily obsesses interviewers, but actors' responses are often highly amusing. Jake Gyllenhaal has said: "Heath and I were both saying, 'Let's get the love scenes over as fast as we can - all right, cool. Let's get to the important stuff.'"
We are left in no doubt at all. The actors in these films are so extraordinarily heterosexual that playing gay presents them with incredible challenges. Personally, I've spent a day down a working coal mine, and think that, as jobs go, being asked to snog Heath Ledger is not among the world's more demanding professional tasks.
But Hollywood, evidently, agrees with the actors. When you look at recent Oscars, the tendency is fairly clear. Tom Hanks - famously uxorious - won for playing a gay man in Philadelphia. Hilary Swank's burlesque turn as a transsexual teen in Boys Don't Cry followed, and then Charlize Theron won for the fat, ugly, lesbian serial killer in Monster. Of course, as is customary, some of the Oscar-winning credit goes to the make-up artist here - golly, look at Charlize, she's made herself all ugly - but most of it is surely down to the incredible fact that an artist was prepared to demean herself enough to play a lesbian.
When you look at the history of Oscar-winning performances, Hollywood's new enthusiasm for embracing minorities seems less than profound. Notoriously, the easiest way to win an Oscar is to play somebody bravely fighting against a physical condition or a mental handicap. The easiest route of all, in fact, is to play a gifted artist suddenly struck down by disability - the early years of the Academy awards are littered with long-forgotten tales of deaf sopranos and ballerinas with gout. As the "Kate Winslet" character in Ricky Gervais's series Extras scabrously observed, "Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot? Oscar. Dustin Hoffman, Rain Man? Oscar. Seriously, you are guaranteed an Oscar if you play a mental."
The way Hollywood is rushing to reward heterosexual actors playing gay roles does not, really, reflect very well on its engagement. It is just too much like its fairly disgraceful engagement with mental and physical disability, and too much like rewarding a variety turn. Hollywood, so admiring of an actor's ability to project a sexuality not his own in these cases, has never been in a hurry to reward those far more common examples of gay actors convincingly playing heterosexual roles. In most cases, that involves rather more than the requirement of kissing this year's starlet in front of the cameras - a requirement no less or more demanding for a gay actor than Mr Gyllenhaal being asked to kiss Mr Ledger, surely. It may involve an actor's whole life.
One of the very striking things about this whole curious fashion is that not one of the actors involved is gay themselves. Moreover, it seems fairly likely, in view of the tone of the attendant publicity, that a studio just wouldn't cast a gay actor in one of these roles. It is quite impossible to imagine Heat magazine asking a gay actor how they enjoyed kissing their straight co-star, or indeed, their gay co-star. It would raise questions of enthusiasm which the world of publicity is not quite ready for and we can only, it seems, watch such kisses with the assurance, as swift as can be arranged, that nobody involved could possibly have derived pleasure from it.
But there's another, rather bigger reason why the studios wouldn't cast a gay actor in such a role. In America, evidently, there aren't any gay actors. One may grow rather satirical on the subject, but the truth is that whereas in every other country in the world it is widely accepted that theatre and film offer a congenial and sympathetic area in which gay men and women can work, this is simply not true in America. There are no gay actors - or at least, there weren't until Nathan Lane, to everyone's utter incredulity, came out. Of course, there were gay actors in America's past - James Dean, Cary Grant, Dirk Bogarde, Rock Hudson, Danny Kaye. Plenty of them, in fact. But, for whatever reason, there's hardly a single gay actor of recognisable stature working in Hollywood. An incredible fact.
Sooner or later, one of those non-existent gay actors will take a role as a gay character, and tell us all subsequently how difficult they found kissing their co-star, to general derisive hilarity. In fact, it's not hard to think of a recent film where exactly that situation arose, starring one of those gentlemen with a boyfriend on the payroll and a lady hired for the purpose of premieres. But Hollywood will only seem truly tolerant when it allows gay actors to play gay roles, kissing included, and no whining about it in the publicity afterwards. Until then there's - how should one put it - a slight air of Al Jolson about the whole business.
Source: Gay for today by Philip Hensher, The Guardian
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«Oldest ‹Older 1601 – 1800 of 1855 Newer› Newest»"You should keep in mind most here are biased and have disliked Heath from the very start. You can't expect objectivity or fairness. But sometimes posts like 2:58#1's become so ridiculous, some have to step in."
Really pathetic to intensely dislike a dead man like 2:58#1 does.
Fact is Heath got far more praise for his role in the movie than Jake, and some Jake fans are very jealous about it. Putting Heath down here won't change the fact that it was Heath's movie. Jake was great too and the movie brought him a big fanbase.
It'll be interesting to see how his upcoming films will turn out. I'm looking forward to them.
"Then you can't read."
Most definitely.
"Really pathetic to intensely dislike a dead man like 2:58#1 does."
There'll always be people who will like either Jake or Heath more in the movie, but there is no need to put down the one to elevate the other like 2:58 did.
"And he played the straight acting, self loathing gay man in BBM knowing that he would not bag a part in a franchise if he had tons of gay rumors swirling around him, which is exactly the thicket that Jake walked into when he took the Twist part."
This is the dumbest thing ever!! Why would Heath have tons of gay rumors swirling around him if he was straight? Jake’s gay rumors have nothing to do with BBM, shouldn't you know that since you’re a TB?
I have the distinct impression one of the reasons some here dislike Heath is that he wasn’t gay.
This is the dumbest thing ever!! Why would Heath have tons of gay rumors swirling around him if he was straight? Jake’s gay rumors have nothing to do with BBM, shouldn't you know that since you’re a TB? IA. How many here stated 100 times that gay rumors about Jake started before BBM and that BBM is not the reason many think he's gay. Or am I wrong? How many here started to believe Jake is gay because of BBM? Be honest!
^ exactly and some, like 2:58#1, change their tune when it suits them, in this case to put Heath down. It doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit.
Most of my acquaintances/friends don't think Jake is gay, this includes straight men who are fans of Donnie Darko and Jarhead. To them Jake doesn't give off a gay vibe. IDK how good of a gaydar straight guys have though. LOL.
"knowing that he would not bag a part in a franchise "
It is Jake who always wanted to be a hero in a franchise. He tried for Spiderman, Batman... Heath was offered the Spiderman part and he didn't want it. He said it wasn't his dream to play a superhero. He took on the role of Joker because he liked the world Nolan created in BB and after reading the script he totally dug Nolan's Joker.
Straight guys don't need a gaydar.
^^And Nolan said that he chose Heath because he was so good in BBM. Read some of Nolan's interviews!
2:58#1 really has no idea what he or she is talking about. Sad.
7:37 AM
I bet your friends think Tom Selleck (for example) is straight, too. lol
"I bet your friends think Tom Selleck (for example) is straight, too. lol"
I don't think many know who Tom Selleck is.
"2:58#1 really has no idea what he or she is talking about. Sad."
IA but that doesn't stop him/her from making things up.
7:49 AM
Do they know Zachary Quinto?
"How many here started to believe Jake is gay because of BBM?"
Hello, Heath played gay too.
You shoud ask: "How many here started to believe Jake and Heath are gay because of BBM?"
"Do they know Zachary Quinto?"
I didn't know who he is, I had to google him. I'll ask if they know him. If they watched Star Trek (I didn't) they probably know him.
Will Smith, there are gay/bi rumors about him for years, but straight guys still like him, because he's cool.
Who are closeted gay celebrities according to your friends?
Hello, Heath played gay too.
You shoud ask: "How many here started to believe Jake and Heath are gay because of BBM?".
Ok 7:52 AM. How many here started to believe Jake AND Heath are gay because of BBM?
Although, I have the impression many here believe Jake is gay and Heath is straight. Why is that? Is it because Jake played the bottom in the one scene and was more promiscuous than Heath's character? Is it because you think Jake is cuter and HAS to be gay and you're kind of w/e about Heath's sexuality because he's not your type?
Care to elaborate?
"Who are closeted gay celebrities according to your friends?"
Vin Diesel, Tom Cruise (some think that), John Travolta.
8:06 AM
you are a babbler/fangirl, aren't you?
"You shoud ask: "How many here started to believe Jake and Heath are gay because of BBM?"
The foundation of this site is TT (Jake) and his gayness that from the start had nothing to do with BBM. Most people who are not aware of the TT rumors don’t believe Jake is gay despite him playing a bottom in Brokeback. I doubt anyone here or anywhere else really thinks Heath was gay, besides we care about Jake’s homosexuality here, right, not Heath’s (lack of).
"8:06 AM
you are a babbler/fangirl, aren't you?"
No, I was just trying to show posters like 2:58 PM that it's ridiculous talk that it was BBM that started the gay rumors about Jake. I was being sarcastic.
Christopher Reeve was cute. Colin Farrell and McGregor are very cute.
I never thought they are gay because they played gay characters.
I meant 2:58 AM not PM.
If someone's to "blame" for the gay rumors about Jake it's Ted C. You either believe him or you don't.
Jake Gyllenhaal gay rumors started BEFORE Ted Casablanca and Toothy Tile.
Ted Casablanca didn't start gay rumors about Jake - he made them popular.
"You either believe him or you don't."
I didn't believe Ted until October 2007, Jake convinced me he's gay.
DL gossip:
"Perez outed Clooney all the time back when it was Page 666. He probably cut a deal with Clooney's agents for dirt on lesser stars in return for putting George back in the closet.
I presume the same thing took place with other celebs whom Perez no longer says are gay."
You have to be pretty inexperienced in the ways of the world and showbiz if you don't realize Jake is gay.
"Jake Gyllenhaal gay rumors started BEFORE Ted Casablanca and Toothy Tile."
Really where?
On the Internet.
Page Six
ADAM COMING OUT?
"AMERICAN Idol" runner-up Adam Lambert has steadfastly refused to talk about his sexuality despite photos of him on his Web site tongue-kissing men and dressed in full drag -- but not for much longer. A well-placed magazine source tells Page Six that Lambert will be coming out officially on the next cover of Rolling Stone. (This week's issue has Lady Gaga on the cover.) "He didn't want it to be an issue during the contest, but he's fine with his sexuality," we're told. In the past, when asked about it, Lambert has only said, "Keep speculating." A rep for Rolling Stone said, "We don't comment on future covers." Lambert's rep, Roger Widynowski, didn't return e-mails.
"You have to be pretty inexperienced in the ways of the world and showbiz if you don't realize Jake is gay."
You have to be pretty inexperienced in the ways of the world and gossip if you don't realize Ted is a liar.
"On the Internet."
On Datalouge I guess LOL
^^^^ Still grasping at straws, trolly? LOL
"^^^^ Still grasping at straws, trolly? LOL"
Yes and proud of it, can't quit you my love.
next cover of Rolling StoneThat would be great. I wish him all the best!
It's sad and bizarre that being gay could be considered a threat to anyone's career.
9:49 AM, 9:50 AM
Trolly,
when will you acknowledge that GAY MEN know 100 times more about other gay men and have 100 times better sources than you?
"Yes and proud of it, can't quit you my love."
Awww, that brought tears to my eyes!
I don't think the general public believes Heath and Jake are gay because they played gay. It's just a small, very vocal internet group (TBers) who are absolutely convinced. But there's no way to know for sure either way.
^^convinced about Jake being gay.
"But there's no way to know for sure either way."
We know but we can't tell!
"when will you acknowledge that GAY MEN know 100 times more about other gay men and have 100 times better sources than you?"
Yep, those little whores get around.
I know this is a Jake fansite and most probably don't know much about Heath, but try to get some facts straight at least before attacking Heath.*
You must be new here. This site is OBSESSED with Heath.
Aren't there gay rumors about James Franco? Why isn't he bearding, but still gets good movie offers?
James Franco has a girlfriend or a "girlfriend".
I didn't even know he had a girlfriend, probably some unknown girl. You hardly ever see or hear anything about him outside of movie promo.
9:49 AM: "You have to be pretty inexperienced in the ways of the world and gossip if you don't realize Ted is a liar."
So whoever wrote this, tell us what Ted has been proven to have lied about. Not your opinion or intuition, but proof.
Like I remember when Ted was the first one to say that Natasha Richardson was going to be flown back to NY and that she was brain-dead, and how everyone in the comments called him a liar. But he was proven right many many hours later, almost a day later, that his info was absolutely correct. So if you say Ted is a liar 9:49 AM, give concrete examples. If you don't, well then you are the liar, aren't you.
Hi Ted!! If I remember correctly, some NY paper said that she was brain dead and was being flown back to NY, Ted just repeated afterwars. Ted did claim that Natasha was seen looking a bit woosey, ie drunk before the accident according to his "sources". People called him a pig for exploiting the death of a so-called friend.
"I didn't even know he had a girlfriend, probably some unknown girl."
Some less known actress Ahna Riley.
Good try 10:47 but no I'm not Ted. Btw if you want to dispute my comment about what Ted said about NR, fine. It's easy enough for me to find Ted's AT article, but unless you provide a link that has the date and time of the info "some NY paper" released, your claim doesn't mean squat.
Funny how trolly is slinging mud again at Ted, after earlier in the week trying to convince us all that Ted's post on the BBM kiss means that Ted knows Jake is straight.
"Ahna Riley"
She seems nice, but she's not very pretty.
"Funny how trolly is slinging mud again at Ted"
Yeah you'd think UV and FL would be more interested in drumming up another JAKE IS STRAIGHT AND FUCKING REESE! Babble post or conjuring another scheme to get rid of the gays on DCF. But no, they're here. Lucky us.
11:14 AM - Look what you've done, trolly is pissed off! lol
BBM began and ended with the character of Ennis. His journey, or lack thereof, is the heart of the short story and the movie. His character is the most critical in the film. That's why Heath's performance is the most critical. Fortunately for all, Heath stepped up to the plate and gave the performance (to that point) of his life.
Jake was wonderful as Jack Twist, and I could never imagine another actor in the role. But BBM was about rural homophobia and its effects, and Ennis truly embodied this even more than Jack.
I like Jake, and I think he's a good actor. But there is no doubt that Heath was on a different level.
Trolly,
We'd like one in your mouth so you would STFU.
It's possible Jake is fucking Reese, but he's probably already bored with this pretentious little chick.
I think that's not possible.
"It's possible Jake is fucking Reese,"
In what alternate universe?
LOL!
So, what happened to the entry from months ago that said Jake was dating Michelle W. briefly? Is this entry made up or was it just harmless dating, like just going out a few times?
I didn't save the link to that site, maybe there are new comments or picturs.
Wasn't there ar discussion about Jake giving Michelle sometimes not so nice looks. Maybe it wasn't because of Heath, maybe they have a dark secret? Yep, yep, yep...
"I didn't save the link to that site, maybe there are new comments or picturs."
If someone still has the link, it would be nice if they could post it.
Those pics of Reeke at softball talking and the goodbye kiss, my god it looked like a rehearsal still from a bad ABC Family romcom movie. I love how Jake and/or Reese always keeps at least one hand in their pocket or in their lap during these PR affection displays, not to mention the physical distance they keep. Such unbridled passion! Yes ITA it's possible they're fucking each other, but only if there's no touching involved, LOL.
Yes, Michelle and Jake have a dark secret.
Michelle saw Jake kissing some boy while she was in NYC doing that play, and yes, it was quite dark in the club. :)
Does fucking with Jake's career and self-confidence count?
It was some fan site that was posted on GB and that someone here crossed posted here. Fans posting fan pics. One guy posted a pic of him and Jake from 1998/99 and said that it was taken when Jake was dating Michelle when she was doing a play in NY and he was visiting her.
Ten years ago and I doubt that it was serious, just a few dates like Heath and Kiki.
10:40AM Ha, more fanfic based on a ten year old pic, before then no one knew that they even knew each other back then!Gotta love the bored brokies.
Yes, Michelle and Jake have a dark secret.
Michelle saw Jake kissing some boy while she was in NYC doing that play, and yes, it was quite dark in the club. :).
LOL.
You know, there was a story way before BBM that she used to date a guy who turned out to be gay. I'm not kidding.
11:47 AM
Made up.
I think Jake liked Michelle well enough, but her constant google-eyed worship of Heath probably got on his nerves. And that bitch was in Heath's bed when it should have been him.
"Ten years ago and I doubt that it was serious, just a few dates like Heath and Kiki."
IA.
Jake is gay.
Jake is using Reese for his own benefit.
Jake is probably(IMO)screwing Reese with Austin's blessing.
Yes.Sometimes, gay men fuck women for profit.
"And that bitch was in Heath's bed when it should have been him."
And it should have been him, damn it!!! ;)
What's "dating" anyway? You can meet someone at a coffee bar, have a croissant, talk for 2 hours and go your separate ways and it can be called a date. Or buy a bag of tulips for a friend, meet them out on the sidewalk (because they won't let you in their home?), walk to go eat somewhere and it's called a date. Date = have plans to meet someone somewhere, do anything, can be platonic or romantic.
10:40AM Ha, more fanfic based on a ten year old pic, before then no one knew that they even knew each other back then!Gotta love the bored brokies.
ITA.
If it was a picture with both Jake & Michele together, i might believe it but that story has no background whatsoever
Michelle did that play "Killer Joe" 10 years ago, she got great reviews for it.
If they "dated", it was probably very harmless. Jake's not her type at all. Most of her boyfriends were older, mostly directors and not very attractive. Heath was an exception.
Date = have plans to meet someone somewhere, do anything, can be platonic or romantic..
Absolutely.
11:58AM DC forum poster still livid over pics of Jake giving Natalie "fucking" flowers. I remember the ourage/jealousy, very childish coming from a middle aqged man.
BTW, dating is when 2 people get together for dinner, movie, etc. They get together because there is some kindof attraction/something in common. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not, got that brokie? Very simple.
People also have one night stands too.
"Yes. Sometimes, gay men fuck women for profit."
LOL.
Publicity, marketing and escort to promotion trips and parties is big PR profit for Reese.
Jake doesn't own her anything else.
What's "dating" anyway?
I agree, but during BBM promotion they (jake+Michelle) never mentioned they even knew each other before. IF there was a meeting between them in the past,even if it was just friendly, i find it very strange they didn't comment about it later....
If there was really something newsworthy, rags would have picked up on it. After Heath died, I read articles like "Michelle seeks comfort from godfather Jake". LMAO. On imdb there were threads that Jake must hook up with Michelle asap. If they had a past, it would have come out, I'm sure.
IF there was a meeting between them in the past,even if it was just friendly, i find it very strange they didn't comment about it later.......
Maybe they just thought it wasn't worth mentioning? There were some guys I went out with a couple of times and never anything happened.
"I agree, but during BBM promotion they (jake+Michelle) never mentioned they even knew each other before. "
Although Michelle said in an interview she knew both boys Jake (she mentioned him first) and Heath well.
With all of the spotlight on BBM, I am sure if Michelle and Jake had met previouly, let alone dated, some reporter would have found out about it and mentioned it.
I am beginning to wonder if Heath's being straight is what really bothers some of the people who try to put him down (with some of the most ridiculous reasoning I have ever read), otherwise I am at a loss as to what the grumbling is really about. Heath was taller, beautifully sculptured, mult-talented, athletic, gorgeous, and a superior actor. And fearless.
How are you going to dispute that? What is the real issue here?
12:17
The BBM spotlight wasn't so huge.It would take an effort to "discover" Jake/MW past and i think gossip sites weren't too much interested in them yet.
The attention intensified after Heath/MW split and then when he died :(
BBM spotlight was big and forums were on fire!
The BBM spotlight wasn't so huge.It would take an effort to "discover" Jake/MW past and i think gossip sites weren't too much interested in them yet./
I have to agree with that. If there was something, no one cared. LOL.
Fans cared a lot and this Michelle and Jake "story" comes from a fan, not rags.
BBM spotlight was big and forums were on fire!/
Yes, but no one thought there might be a Michelle & Jake past and didn't dig for "dirt" about any of the cast members as far as I remember. They all were presented in the best light possible, except for Ted's TT internet stories that people knew were about Jake.
I am beginning to wonder if Heath's being straight is what really bothers some of the people who try to put him down
*
You are "begining" to wonder something some poster said that already.
It's a stupid question, nobody hates Heath for being straight.
And nobody hates Jake for being closeted, or Reese for having an ugly chin.
There a lot of good things to say about Ledger and there a lot that are bad, that's all.
Just because he is dead, doesn't mean there is a silence pact that stops the critics to him.
"Fans cared a lot and this Michelle and Jake "story" comes from a fan, not rags."
Question is, why would this fan of Michelle's or Jake's (?) make that up?
Are you kidding, BBM became a phenomenon, here and abroad. The four of them were on Oprah. Ms.O does not just do this for any and every film. There presence on her show was indicative of how huge that movie became.
There are people here with bad memories.
BBMt and actors were big news and fans have reason to share stories about them. That didn't happen because dating story was made up.
BBM spotlight was big and forums were on fire!
Fan forums, not gossip blogs.
"Fan forums, not gossip blogs."
That's right and Fan forums are much more respectful than gossip blogs.
Fan forums, not gossip blogs."
That's right and Fan forums are much more respectful than gossip blogs.
^^
Fan forums are more repectful,i agree.But they don't manage the same hidden information and unknown sources like gossip reporters do.
"Question is, why would this fan of Michelle's or Jake's (?) make that up?"
1000 people, 1000 reasons.
Do you believe every fan story about celebrities just because YOU wouldn't make them up?
MW: She recalls, "Honest to God, I did not see the two boys I know. I did not see Jake and I did not see Heath when I saw that scene - and I know both of them well (one of them better than the other).
"So often, when you're doing a shot like that, the other actors aren't there but I was lucky enough. After the scene I just asked them to embrace, to just hold each other. It was a sweet moment." .
MW
12:21 PM
*fingers in ears*
LA LA la la la la I can't hear you! LA LA LA la la la la
Well, there would be nothing disprespectful with saying the Jake and Michelle briefly dated. The relationship of these people were discussed on fan forums. I think the Michelle/Jake thing was just another rumor.
As far as Heath goes, I don't think people have a problem with criticism that's intelligent. It's when you spout crap that people get riled up. And the really stupid stuff just makes some of us think there's something else behind it.
"Do you believe every fan story about celebrities just because YOU wouldn't make them up?"
No of course not. But the story seemed just so random. W/E.
"*fingers in ears*
LA LA la la la la I can't hear you! LA LA LA la la la la"
Oh God, how old are you? LOL.
As far as Heath goes, I don't think people have a problem with criticism that's intelligent. It's when you spout crap that people get riled up. And the really stupid stuff just makes some of us think there's something else behind it..
ITA.
The saddest thing about the Babblers is not their constant trolling here but the fact that there are only about five of them. Many of them have several names so it looks like 20 but it's not.
SAG actor is Jack for example and he works under several names there. I wonder if he's unemployed.
^^Jack is an idiot.
"SAG actor" would post on GB about heterosexual Jake?!?
I haven't read anything here that is too much disrespectufl of Heath yet.The worst stuff are about the possibility of him being a druggie and that he is the liar who break Jake's heart (LOL, BTW). But compared with the critics towards Jake, Austin or Chin, they are not very shocking.
I think the "Heath hate" only exists in the heathen's mind, maybe it helps them to cope with the grieve, idk. :(
I don't get the constant comparisons (and the inevitable bashing that follows) of Jake and Heath's acting. It's like asking which orgasm was better.
hu?!
I think the "Heath hate" only exists in the heathen's mind, maybe it helps them to cope with the grieve, idk. :(You should read some posts on the previous page. Like that Heath chose to play Ennis because the character was less gay... which is BS. DO and LM wanted him to play Ennis ever since they saw him in MB.
That he hooked up with Michelle and knocked her up for people to think he's straight... Hello? His character in the movie was married and had kids, but still was a closeted gay.
Or that he distanced himself from BBM...which isn't true either. He made Jake Matilda's godfather, symbolic, real or celeb godfather whatever and was still in contact with Ang Lee.
Some posters who are Heath fans too, don't mind criticism, but some stuff posted about Heath is just ridiculous and annoying and show the dislike and hate or jealousy (how macabre that is) towards him.
I remember Australian press made fun of Heath and Michelle during BBM promotion. You all remember how Michelle was looking up at him adoringly? Now there was a caption of ther doing it again and Heath not looking at her and there was a comment like, if Jake was the one looking at him, he probably would have looked back. And so on.
What's "dating" anyway?
Yes, it is a very vague term.
Sadly it's catching on here in the UK (from US tv shows).
At the moment you can still ask "are you shagging him/her?" in the UK if you want to know the extent of a relationship , rather than relying on the term "dating" which seems to mean anything from a coffee to a long-term relationship.
Always amusing when I hear an American say "shag" like it's a mostly innocent term --- over here it's the slightly politer version of "fucking", and you wouldn't say it in front of a child.
Do you think the Heath Hate (and that's what I'm going to call it for now) has anything to do with Jake's real life attraction to Heath? This may be a stretch but I am thinking that if Heath can somehow be diminished or discredited than it would discredit the idea that Jake could ever be attracted to this lesser man.
I know this sounds wack, but I am at a loss to explain the irrational dislike/fear of Heath by some.
Blame Austin!
Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
1:21 PM, I think there are two groups. One are the Jaustin shippers (some of them) who believe there might have been attraction on Jake's part towards Heath and might see the Jake/Heath friendship as a threat.
The other group are die hard Jake fans, who still can't get over that Heath got more critical acclaim for his role than Jake and trash Heath's performance to elevate Jake's. In the end it's just contraproductive and you guys look pathetic.
Since I think Jake and Heath were just friends who very much admired each other(maybe there was a lil attraction as a result from filming, nothin serious), Heath is not really a threat. There's also no way to know if Austin and Jake ever dated, the only source is Ted. And who knows how much of what he says is true anyway.
Why can't some sourpusses here move on and concentrate on Jake's upcoming movies and talk about that? I'm sure there will be much to talk about when Brothers (I'm sure the cast did a fine job) comes out and much to drool over when PoP comes out.
"I know this sounds wack, but I am at a loss to explain the irrational dislike/fear of Heath by some."
I agree with other posters who have said there is no "irrational dislike nor fear of Heath by some"
There is boredom, a sense that he is being dishonored, and an irritation with morbid obsessions and sentimental attitudes by Heathens etcetcetc. That's all Ive seen, and felt.
"That's all Ive seen, and felt."
Well, you see what you want to see.
I don't think it's a morbid obsession to want to celebrate a great, charismatic actor and his work, and the impact he made while he was alive, after he's gone. How is that dishonoring someone? To forget about him would dishonor him. Some people have irrational fears of death and negative feelings, and want to file it away as soon as possible so the thin veneer of the control they think they have over their lives won't be disturbed. Slip slidin' away, as Paul Simon so eloquently put it.
I've noticed that trend about the vague term dating too - to me, dating is more casual; anything from a platonic coffee up to something more serious. Once you're in a long-term relationship, it ceases to become "dating".
"There is boredom, a sense that he is being dishonored, and an irritation with morbid obsessions and sentimental attitudes by Heathens etcetcetc. That's all Ive seen, and felt."
Oh really? Then don't talk about him. It's funny that the ones who can't stand him are the ones who always seem to bring him up. Move on, isn't there Reeke, Austin, Chris, Kiki, the Gyllenhall clan, Jake's hookups, etcetc more than enough to discuss? Why do you need worthless, liar, untalented, overrated, junkie, ugly, etcetc Heath to talk about?
I think 1:37 is very close to the mark regarding the source of the "Heath Hate." Although, I think there is some serious commingling between the two groups.
Maybe the Jake criticism is wrong-doing as well? What if he's dating Reese for real? All the Jake trashing because he's "bearding" would be without reason. Some of the posters here who post on JJ or X17 etc. about Jake and his beard could be accused of slandering. Think about it.
Why do you need worthless, liar, untalented, overrated, junkie, ugly, etcetc Heath to talk about?
The poor guy is dead,
that means no more projects,
movies, new romances,gossips,
interviews,pics, nothing.
Defending his honor, is all what heathens can do now.
Personally, I have taken my Heathen self over to a place where he's remembered and celebrated because of all of the complaints, and I rarely come here anymore, so I don't know who you are referring to.
2:14 PM, that question was directed at the likes of you not at Heathens. Don't play stupid.
"Defending his honor, is all what heathens can do now."
Nah, I think it's just getting some things straight about him. There are too many uninformed people who post here, which is understandable since the main interest are Mr. G. and Ms. W. :)
I doubt there are any real Heathens here, there’re probably just a few posters who like him too. God forbid to like Jake AND Heath, right?
"God forbid to like Jake AND Heath, right?"
Who cares if people here like Heath? I don't. I just don't dig crap being spread about him, like some posters did and initiated this tiring debate again. Stop comparing them and move on.
Heath is still dead, his ashes were tossed in the sea. Dead.
Love how he is now put on a pedastal, I remember when some BBM fans hated Heath and Michelle. The fans that are into slash and fanfic, Heath and Michelle screwed up their fantasies. When Heath and Michelle they became all giddy like school girls than Heath died. Too bad. A pretty sad state of affairs for a bunch of mostly middle-aged haus fraus.
"What if he's dating Reese for real? All the Jake trashing because he's "bearding" would be without reason. Some of the posters here who post on JJ or X17 etc. about Jake and his beard could be accused of slandering."
OK Babbler time for you to go back to DCF and do whatever it is you do, Maybe you can finish working on that "Jake Is Straight" blog. But before that why don't you stop off at the library and look up "slander", you might be surprised to find that "libel" and "fucking ass ridiculous" are the correct terms for comment you wrote.
Yes, we can love Jake and Heath equally, I consider myself a Heathen and a Gyllenhaalic. I adore them both since BBM, and always.
^^^^^^
When Heath and Michelle broke up....
"A pretty sad state of affairs for a bunch of mostly middle-aged haus fraus."
And what are you, a sad, middle-aged Heath hater? You’re not much better than those you talk about.
"Yes, we can love Jake and Heath equally, I consider myself a Heathen and a Gyllenhaalic. I adore them both since BBM, and always."
I congratulate you.
You don't have to love Heath to not tolerate people spouting lies and nonsense about him.
Some of you haters just need to give it up. You're like gnats on the hide of an elephant.
Boy, Heath will get this board jumping. I sometimes think he's more controversial than Reese.
what is that about?
"Heath is still dead, his ashes were tossed in the sea. Dead."
Yeah, it's worth repeating over and over, because people forget so easily about simple things like...death.
Gnats with lipstick.
His work and films are still here, and always will be.
"Stop comparing them and move on."
Let's do that. How about that Reeke, or Jake's career, or the Francis guy? Plenty enough to discuss for those who loathe the Heath talk.
(Now you’ll get to see the hypocrites, the ones who constantly bitch about moving on, yet they can’t stop discussing (read putting down) Heath. Yeah, he's dead, 2:28 PM, why do you keep talking about him???? If you want to see sad, take a good look in the mirror.)
"Heath is still dead,"
Sorry but LOL. What do you expect? That's like saying "infinity is still forever"
Let's talk about sewing!
Boy, Heath will get this board jumping. I sometimes think he's more controversial than Reese.
what is that about?.
Heath was controversial and mysterious to me. Reese is obviously a pretentious, spoiled rich woman who found herself a guy who loves the celeb status as much as she. Recently, I feel, her famewhoring seems too much for him though. Too bad.
"what is that about?"
So many things but it's basically the Heath Hate Brigade doing it’s thing. Yaaaawn.
I agree with 2:47.
Reese is boring even for criticize her.
Alright, let's discuss Jake and Reese. What do ya'll think about the rumor that Jake and Reese had something going on while she still was with Ryan, that was during award season 2006. True or false rumor?
There's also no way to know if Austin and Jake ever dated, the only source is Ted.Wasn't there a waiter who served them, Jake and Austin, and said they were touching "provocatively"?
That wasn't via Ted. It was dismissed as anonymous internet gossip.
Alright, let's discuss Jake and Reese. What do ya'll think about the rumor that Jake and Reese had something going on while she still was with Ryan, that was during award season 2006. True or false rumor?
Can this rumor be dated back to that time?
Or has it been rumored since to explain the very short gap between Reese filing for divorce, and getting with Jake? A retrospective rumor to explain the bearding in other words.
Or we can talk about how green I am....wait hold on I have to get another coffee, can you believe it's my 4th cup today.."Hey put another paper cup underneath it along with the paper slip-on wrapper, 'cos I have sensitive hands, thanks!"....and oh yeah I even have my confidentiality agreements printed on recycled rag paper so it helps save trees, haha my wood helps save trees, get it, and the lube I use is biodegradable so the factory chemicals when they go into the air don't kill any birds..my wood saves trees and my lube saves cocks, I'm easy being green!
What do ya'll think about the rumor that Jake and Reese had something going on while she still was with Ryan, that was during award season 2006. True or false rumor?
Was there a rumor going on back then? because i don't remember that.
I don't remember when the rumor started 3:00 PM.
"Jake and Reese had something going on while she still was with Ryan"
Like what, "Hi, how are you, how's your boyfriend?"
"There's also no way to know if Austin and Jake ever dated, the only source is Ted.Wasn't there a waiter who served them, Jake and Austin, and said they were touching "provocatively"?
That wasn't via Ted. It was dismissed as anonymous internet gossip."
NO No No. There's a guy on DC, lives in LA, some of the other DCF's have met him, but I can't remember his name, who wrote about it on a DC thread. His friend was a waiter who saw them. He's also seen Jake at other places too, and well uh, let's just say Jake has good gaydar.
I must say Reese does look smitten in the picture. Is it possible that this is more than a bearding arrangement for her? Maybe Ted is on to something. Maybe she agreed to the bearding arrangement (it might not have even been propsed as a "bearding" arrangement, just as a way to help a friend)because she was actually interested in Jake and figured/hoped over time to win him over for real.
You can scoff, but I am female, and I know just how delusional some of my sex can be.
NO No No. There's a guy on DC, lives in LA, some of the other DCF's have met him, but I can't remember his name, who wrote about it on a DC thread. His friend was a waiter who saw them. He's also seen Jake at other places too, and well uh, let's just say Jake has good gaydar..
Oh his "friend" saw them. I see. ;)
Sorry, I am 3: 13, and I am referring to the picture in post 2:58.
"What do ya'll think about the rumor that Jake and Reese had something going on while she still was with Ryan, that was during award season 2006. True or false rumor?"
Um, I don't think you *get* it. You need to go to DCF or Babble or better yet a Reese board.
"Oh his "friend" saw them. I see. ;)"
me too ;)
"Oh his "friend" saw them. I see. ;)"
His friend was their waiter. Ya know, this IS a TT/Jake board, and this sighting has been gone over many times. Don't play stupid, you know where you are and we know why you're here and why you're playing games. GO BACK TO BABBLE.
GO BACK TO BABBLE.Don't insult me by calling me a babbler. I'm always very cautious when someone sites their "friends" as source.
Funny how the Babbler has all these pics of Jake and Reese, the what, maybe 5 out of 23,692 taken in three years, where he's looking at her as if he likes her, posting them and asking everyone their interpretation. And asking if the Critics Choice "affair" rumor was true and saying "its possible Jake is dating Reese for real" blah blah blah. Babblers especially Bubba/Lola, are so transparent! LOL
Keep posting those photo links, Babbler. Its not changing anyone's mind. hey maybe we should go to Babble and post Jake and Austin pics and ask them to interpret their looks, how long until they get deleted?!
There a countless of celebrity couples looking all adoringly to each other and then one day you open a paper and they are announcing their split.
Papz pics prove nothing, specially the arranged ones.
3:30 PM, most pics of them look like they get along. I think it's the arranged photo ops that annoy him recently. Maybe because he reads "famewhore" in every post about him around the internet and is fed up.
Do people actually still post at the DCF? I dpn't just mean that pathetic eyelash crap but the site? Cullen is an asshole and that site is beyond sad.
Jake and Ryan.
looking not friendly at SAG
"most pics of them look like they get along."
Get along like brother and sister. Not lovahs.
Babblers pics of Jake and Ryan = Babbler is trying to convince everyone here (here, at WFT, lol) that Jake is uncomfortable with Ryan because he's in love with Reese! LMAO! Keep posting Babbler..hey do you have a sex tape of Jake and Reese? I'll be convinced of their torrid love for each other when I see the sex tape. Post it, Babbler! Post it!
An astute columnist's take on Reese:
And Reese Witherspoon with her self-involved, petulant sound in her voice that indicates a privileged life of a daughter of the South.
No matter what role she plays, no matter how hard she works to portray a different kind of girl (for she is eternally a girl), this personality, or character, is deeply imprinted in her psychic DNA, it is who she is - a girl who expects with supreme confidence that she deserves the best in every situation, and never has to speculate on that privilege, because she is not fully aware of it.
http://www.wvpubcast.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=9814
Do people actually still post at the DCF?
I've never posted there and i only visited a couple of times. The site is well managed,you have to admit that,but the tone is so corny and condescending, it is beyond embarrassing.
I didn't like it at all, although it existence doesn't really bother me.To each his own,i guess....
"And Reese Witherspoon with her self-involved, petulant sound in her voice that indicates a privileged life of a daughter of the South.
No matter what role she plays, no matter how hard she works to portray a different kind of girl (for she is eternally a girl), this personality, or character, is deeply imprinted in her psychic DNA, it is who she is - a girl who expects with supreme confidence that she deserves the best in every situation, and never has to speculate on that privilege, because she is not fully aware of it."
Totally, totally agree. And I can't stand people like this.
"a girl who expects with supreme confidence that she deserves the best in every situation, and never has to speculate on that privilege, because she is not fully aware of it"
WOW! They massacred her!!! ;DDDD
"looking not friendly at SAG"
Bullshit.
You don't lean towards and stand 2 inches from a person you're not friendly with.
3:51 PM
Thanks for that article!
See,Babbler? We can link too!
What does it tell us about Jake having whatever form of relationship with such a woman? When my friend (there is really a friend) sees them in magazines she says, thy both come off as pretentious.
"Bullshit."
To me they don't look friendly, but whatever.
Yeah, right. LOL
Just out of curiosity, I went and read the article that 3:51 referenced. The author is a typical intellectual snob and a bit of a twit. She spends her time lamenting the state of tv, but then admits that she used it mostly as background noise and her perceptions come through the prism of painkillers.
It is obvious to me that this is a women who doesn't really watch tv or films. She only watched enough to confirm her previous prejudices, which is the hallmark of the intellectually dishonest.
I wouldn't use her as a stick to beat Reese necessarily; just read her stupid comment about Glenn Close. In critizing these actors, she doesn't bother to say what movie or tv show she saw them in or the name of the role which they essayed. So, how do you judge that what she is saying is accurate or rational.
There is nothing wrong with being a snob per se, but you ought to really know something about the subject you are so dismissive of, otherwise you reveal yourself to be an educated fool.
"What do ya'll think about the rumor that Jake and Reese had something going on while she still was with Ryan, that was during award season 2006."
ROFLMAO!
That "rumor" was made up and spread by a babbler, probabbly Jack/Jeff.
I remember reading it on IMDb board and later on other forums during early Reeke days.
Oh 4:17 give it up. She hit the nail on the head and you know it. Why defend The Chin?
"An astute columnist's take on Reese"
A bitch stays a bitch. Real Reese can't hide all the time.
Come on babblers, I know you know that Reeke is fake.
THIS will give CRISTIANO RONALDO something to smile about this morning. The Manchester United footballer - on the losing side against Barcelona FC in the Champions league Final last night - HAS added another prize to his trophy haul this season.
The nimble-footed Portuguese winger has been voted the Sexiest Man Alive in a new magazine poll for Gay Times. Ronnie is well known for his love of tight shorts, plucked eye brows and super-bronzed skin.
And rather unsurprisingly he has gone down well with the gay community, as he beat actor JAMES FRANCO and Aussie sportsman MATTHEW MATCHAM in The GT annual Readers' Awards.
F1 driver LEWIS HAMILTON has been voted Sports Personality of the Year while pop star KYLIE MINOGUE was named the top Female Gay icon.
The Sun
Hayden and Rachel photo op:
Lamey
This is Our Youth
^^^ Darth Vader :)
*sigh*
"Author Liza Gyllenhaal will discuss her first novel, Local Knowledge (Penguin, $14), at 5 p.m. Saturday, May 30, at Books & Books in Coral Gables. Yes, she’s related to Jake Gyllenhaal and Maggie Gyllenhaal, but what’s more interesting is that she gave up her successful advertising agency to write full time."
Who is Liza Gyllenhaal?
www.lizagyllenhaal.com
Either Stephen's sister or sister in law, DUH!!!
In other words - you don't know, 6:06 PM! :)
"Anders Gyllenhaal was raised in Bryn Athyn. He and his wife, Beverly, a syndicated columnist and author, live in Coral Gables, Florida with their two teenage children, Sam and Grey."
link
Cantara knows.
Stephen Gyllenhaal - American film director and poet, brother of Anders and Liza.
Aunty!
Aunty is cute :)
Aunty is cute :)
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